| Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452758] |
Tue, 30 August 2011 01:33  |
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Prulez
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Hey guys,
Now that TT is close to release, I'd like to ask you a question about it's release.
When this project was started, it was stated that this would be released as an 'official' patch through EA's channels, and therefore every Renegade client would be forced to upgrade to TT.
Is this still possible and will this still be executed, or will this be released as just another Core Patch?
I know some shit has happened internally within EA's C&C Department (For example, APOC, the C&C Community Manager, left quite a while ago), so this is why I'm asking and wondering if this deal is still on the table.
While we're at this, I'd like to state the obvious and say that I think a release like this would be absolutely crucial to keep Renegade cleared of potential cheaters for hopefully years to come, but at least for quite a time. If this isn't forced on all players, they won't notice the bugfixes and the new anti-cheat, and TT would lose a lot of it's effectivity and value for the community.
Thanks,
Patrick
| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 19:47 |
Every so often, I get this positive feeling that humanity can somehow, possibly attain pure awesomeness, and enlightenment, and that there is light at the end of the road for us all. However, I only need to go to the latest HUD thread at RenForums to remind me of how dumb I was for thinking such stupid things.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452800 is a reply to message #452760] |
Tue, 30 August 2011 10:03  |
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| danpaul88 wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 11:54 |
As far as I know there was *never* any actual deal regarding making this an official update, there was just a verbal acknowledgement that it *might* be a possibility if it gained sufficient support from the community. With Apoc gone I suspect any chance of that happening is long gone.
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I stand corrected. It was suggested in the Introduction post (Check the Sticky, under "Community Support"), but there probably never was such a deal around. With TT coming close to launch, maybe it's time to contact EA to try and convince them? You have the community's support, I'm certain.
| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 19:47 |
Every so often, I get this positive feeling that humanity can somehow, possibly attain pure awesomeness, and enlightenment, and that there is light at the end of the road for us all. However, I only need to go to the latest HUD thread at RenForums to remind me of how dumb I was for thinking such stupid things.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452844 is a reply to message #452829] |
Tue, 30 August 2011 15:37 |
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| Gen_Blacky wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 22:38 |
| Intradox wrote on Tue, 30 August 2011 12:58 |
Dang that's disappointing. I hope it will become an official patch, it would make cheaters go jump off a cliff 
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servers owners can defiantly enforce it.
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While this is true, it would be a huge pain in the ass, because the n00bs who don't know about forums at all but just play the game won't update and will just join a non-forced server.
It's hard to let people download new maps, Core Patches and/or Scripts already. Convincing them to download TT will be a similar Pain in the Butt and therefore is not a solution. at. all.
| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 19:47 |
Every so often, I get this positive feeling that humanity can somehow, possibly attain pure awesomeness, and enlightenment, and that there is light at the end of the road for us all. However, I only need to go to the latest HUD thread at RenForums to remind me of how dumb I was for thinking such stupid things.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452863 is a reply to message #452758] |
Tue, 30 August 2011 23:22 |
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Surely Apoc can still be reached and still has contact with his old employer. Surely the new community manager is slightly aware of TT. Surely Crimson could go on a roadtrip to EA's studio's and explain them what needs to happen. Surely Olaf has some contacts as well.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452864 is a reply to message #452758] |
Wed, 31 August 2011 00:37 |
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Some comments:
1.As far as I am aware we never had a legal agreement with EA that TT would be pushed over the official updater. All we had was a an agreement that if we came up with something stable and bug free that had full community support, EA would consider it. Whether EA would consider it now given the change that has taken place in the time since Apoc left (not changes that have been a result of Apoc leaving, just changes that would likely have happened anyway) is something I do not know. Once we have something stable and bug-free enough to push over the official patcher (which will be quite a way off, we need a nice long full public beta period first) we can consider what to do (and possibly approach EA about it)
2.I have had contact with the current community manager, Eric Krause regarding the possibility of the Roleplay2 mod for Renegade going stand-alone in the same way as the Red Alert: A Path Beyond mod is stand-alone (a proposal EA said yes to) and Eric knows of Tiberan Technologies. Due to the fact that the EA legal team has become more strict on various matters recently, we do not want to push EA further on any matters related to Tiberian Technologies.
3.Any server owner can enforce scripts 4.0 and players without scripts 4.0 will be kicked with a message stating "This server requires a minimum scripts version of 4.0"
4.Olaf has told me that XWIS could push a new update for Renegade but that EA would have to give permission first.
5.Changing the XWIS MOTD to display a message about TT and 4.0 should be possible but it would be up to Olaf as to whether he wants to make the change (and whether whatever deal XWIS has with EA would let him make that change)
6.Talking to Apoc is unlikely to get us anywhere, he no longer works for EA and probably has no ability to talk to anyone at EA (at least if EA is anything like the big companies I have worked at before). Any contacts Olaf has likely to have just as much/little power as Eric has, same with any contacts that might be possible to find by visiting EA directly. Anything that happens that is as big and important as pushing TT over the official patcher would likely have to be vetted by the higher-ups and the EA legal department before it could be considered.
Jonathan Wilson aka Jonwil
Creator and Lead Coder of the Custom scripts.dll
Renegade Engine Guru
Creator and Lead Coder of TT.DLL
Official member of Tiberian Technologies
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452876 is a reply to message #452758] |
Wed, 31 August 2011 04:57 |
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To be clear, the Roleplay2 thing has been solved for months now.
And the statement about "not pushing EA" was made because TT does not have any valid reasons to talk to EA at this point (no point in talking to EA about the patcher unless we have something we can push over it)
Jonathan Wilson aka Jonwil
Creator and Lead Coder of the Custom scripts.dll
Renegade Engine Guru
Creator and Lead Coder of TT.DLL
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452877 is a reply to message #452876] |
Wed, 31 August 2011 05:20 |
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| jonwil wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 13:57 |
To be clear, the Roleplay2 thing has been solved for months now.
And the statement about "not pushing EA" was made because TT does not have any valid reasons to talk to EA at this point (no point in talking to EA about the patcher unless we have something we can push over it)
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You could have some orienting conversations about it. Then again, I don't have any experience with discussing this kind of things with EA, so therefore I shall leave it solely up to you and I trust you with this. 
| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 19:47 |
Every so often, I get this positive feeling that humanity can somehow, possibly attain pure awesomeness, and enlightenment, and that there is light at the end of the road for us all. However, I only need to go to the latest HUD thread at RenForums to remind me of how dumb I was for thinking such stupid things.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452890 is a reply to message #452758] |
Wed, 31 August 2011 06:54 |
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Having a clear MOTD on XWIS would be the best way to push new players to get the patch once we had hit the point where we wanted it to be mandatory. We could probably even use a "bot" of some sort to page players who connect to XWIS without the patch and tell them they need to update their software. The download process needs to be quick and painless (a big "CLICK ME TO DOWNLOAD" button on a short URL).
As we've said from the beginning, this requires the community's support. Things break down when say, one community gets a bug up their ass and reverts to going patchless. Splitting the community is THE WORST option.
I imagine it wouldn't be too entirely difficult (since the game client does send their version to XWIS, I'm pretty sure) for XWIS to cooperate with us to have some sort of software "bot" that annoyance spams unpatched users over and over until they patch. Something like "Your Renegade client is out of date. To play on the best servers this game has to offer, visit http://blah to download the TT community patch!" And they should receive that page like every 15 seconds so they will have no choice but to go update themselves.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452891 is a reply to message #452758] |
Wed, 31 August 2011 07:01 |
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You mean like the spam PAMSG that Renguard had? That was not a good thing.
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so what you are saying it is gonna take even longer before this thing is finished
So the topic title should be changed to: a sucky little "teaser" from C&C Reborn has been released
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| "halo2pac wrote:" |
Unless they are girls, I am not going to bone them.
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