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| Re: Atomix [message #450086 is a reply to message #450081] |
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EaZiE
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This has been a fun merry go round, but I'm afraid I'm hopping off. Everything has been explained, clear as day and still it is not understood.
The thing with these debates is, nobody ever wins. We could give our reason, to which you would just raise more questions. I like you cave, I really do but just reflect on how the debating in this thread is going. You are standing your ground, for that I can not fault you. But there will be no conclusion because you and X simply won't agree. You both have a certain disliking and lack of respect for one another.
Now see how this would have a negative impact on any debating at a senior moderation level. Decisions would not be made, and when they were by the adminastrive team, and I say that because the admins discuss things without me on some cases, you would dig your heels in and stand there stating every possible reason why we shouldn't.
Voicing your opinion, fair enough they take that on board. When a decision is made though if you can't back it up and just roll with it, how can you work as part of a team? How damaging is it to a team when senior members appear to not be in control by constant arguing when decisions have to be made? It is just not effective.
The fact is Xpert isn't going to set in stone why you were removed, but you should have already had a good idea. You can say 'you can't run a comunity like that' when it comes to making decisions but the fact is we are and have been for some time, maybe part of the reason Atomix is still one of the most active ren servers and didn't die off like so many others.
You're a great mod cave, and a good guy. But your inabiliy to show a united front when senior decisions are made is what contributed to this situation.
Yes I have agreed with you on ocassions and if you were to pull logs I openly admit that. The difference is whilst I agree privately with your concerns, I am thinking about the greater picture. What brings the least distruption to the community, could it benefit the community, what risk is involved? My personal feelings are full of emotion and to make effective decisions we need to take the emotion out of it. If I don't neccessarily think a certain path is the best path I will voice my opinion, but I will also back whatever decision is made. This is something you just don't seem willing to do and believe me, it it more beneficial than arguing a debate out for 4 weeks.
Like I said, I'm hopping off of this merry go round so you guys can debate for as long as you want about what could, should, would have been. The fact is this is our reality and all that is irrelevant so I am unwilling to contribute to it any longer. I'd rather put my time into something constructive.
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| Re: Atomix [message #450090 is a reply to message #450086] |
Mon, 25 July 2011 16:51 |
Caveman
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| EaZiE wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 00:21 |
This has been a fun merry go round, but I'm afraid I'm hopping off. Everything has been explained, clear as day and still it is not understood.
The thing with these debates is, nobody ever wins. We could give our reason, to which you would just raise more questions. I like you cave, I really do but just reflect on how the debating in this thread is going. You are standing your ground, for that I can not fault you. But there will be no conclusion because you and X simply won't agree. You both have a certain disliking and lack of respect for one another.
Now see how this would have a negative impact on any debating at a senior moderation level. Decisions would not be made, and when they were by the adminastrive team, and I say that because the admins discuss things without me on some cases, you would dig your heels in and stand there stating every possible reason why we shouldn't.
Voicing your opinion, fair enough they take that on board. When a decision is made though if you can't back it up and just roll with it, how can you work as part of a team? How damaging is it to a team when senior members appear to not be in control by constant arguing when decisions have to be made? It is just not effective.
The fact is Xpert isn't going to set in stone why you were removed, but you should have already had a good idea. You can say 'you can't run a comunity like that' when it comes to making decisions but the fact is we are and have been for some time, maybe part of the reason Atomix is still one of the most active ren servers and didn't die off like so many others.
You're a great mod cave, and a good guy. But your inabiliy to show a united front when senior decisions are made is what contributed to this situation.
Yes I have agreed with you on ocassions and if you were to pull logs I openly admit that. The difference is whilst I agree privately with your concerns, I am thinking about the greater picture. What brings the least distruption to the community, could it benefit the community, what risk is involved? My personal feelings are full of emotion and to make effective decisions we need to take the emotion out of it. If I don't neccessarily think a certain path is the best path I will voice my opinion, but I will also back whatever decision is made. This is something you just don't seem willing to do and believe me, it it more beneficial than arguing a debate out for 4 weeks.
Like I said, I'm hopping off of this merry go round so you guys can debate for as long as you want about what could, should, would have been. The fact is this is our reality and all that is irrelevant so I am unwilling to contribute to it any longer. I'd rather put my time into something constructive.
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Bob, I know you don't want me to go into this with you, you'd prefer to let it die. So I will try my best.
I understand that you will back whatever decision the community makes, for that I respect you, I always have however as you know its not the community decision, its X's. That's the key point im trying to make.
This community isn't alive because of X and how he runs it, its alive because of the other Admins/S'Mods. If you were to take these away Atomix would die very quickly.
If the mods agree on what X wants because its what we want then I have no problem with accepting that (if its something I don't personally agree with, like removing hourglass from rotation, we voted, community wanted it out I wanted it in and I never moaned or dug my heels in) however if that community is either disagreeing privately or just accepting it cos X is the man then I will dig my heels in because that's the right thing to do. Yes you agree with me and you're thinking bout the bigger picture, which is if you dont agree with him he'll have a fit. He is like a child with a toy.
This all started because I got removed for a bogus reason, I don't appreciate being treated like im stupid. I've said if he wants to remove me, remove me but man up and tell me why not 'AFK'
The only things i've dug my heels into is the time when it was 3 UK mods to mod the server 24/7 and X despite being told time and time again we either need more S'Mods (with proper access) or for the current Smods/admins to actually be here because they were AFK. (ironic this?) He had a power trip and pulled out the admin card. Im sure you remember the times im speaking about.
Oh and the time when X was unbanning any dick that said I R SORRY I NO CHEAT NO MORE. Because he wanted player count more then actual decent players.. I was told privately by dippy to drop the argument and yes as much as I disliked doing so I did.
Any other time except from them two occasions I 'rolled with the flow' and got on with what X wanted.
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Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.
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| Re: Atomix [message #450107 is a reply to message #449765] |
Mon, 25 July 2011 20:11 |
Tunaman
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you dont have to say you're not going to post again every time you post. especially if you're just going to post again
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| Re: Atomix [message #450109 is a reply to message #449765] |
Mon, 25 July 2011 20:34 |
shaitan
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Blablabla if you sell Atomix to shai...he;d bring Ungy back from Wow, Camapa back from WoW..and make everyone a fucking admin. Plus he'd also ride a wombat for the lulz factor. SPAM
Oh wait, fuck that..I don't feel like wasting $200/month 
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:38 |
I get along with people fine, so long as they aren't rejects who promised things that they couldn't
deliver on, or forum trolls who contribute nothing except to bloat the fragile egos of the same
rejects I despise.
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| Re: Atomix [message #450112 is a reply to message #449765] |
Mon, 25 July 2011 21:47 |
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Gen_Blacky
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| Azazel wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 16:29 |
youtube clip is childish tbh.
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| Caveman wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 08:32 |
Ungy was a cool guy, its a shame he isn't around anymore.
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Yes he was but he went emo and started playing WOW.
| dippy wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 00:59 |
at risk of sounding pompous - I built this community from the ground up.
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You weren't even around when the community was starting up : /. You did keep the server alive after we all left.
Ungy107 wanted servers for the [CMPS.] Clan so [CMPS.]Ungy107 and [SynC]Trojan started renting a server box. We where hosting servers for Renzor and a few other people. We had a big fight with Renzor (Idiot Trojan) and started back up bad dog gaming for the hostname's. Later down the line it turned into atomix.
| MUDKIPS wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 16:02 |
| Fagzel wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 01:29 |
| MUDKIPS wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 01:10 |
| Fagzel wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 08:49 |
I need some cocks in my hands so I stop typing
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I think your obsessed with penis's. I'm sure Holland has gay bars to deal with your needs. 
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You'd know all about that Im your #1 customer
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| shaitan wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 20:34 |
Blablabla if you sell Atomix to shai...he;d bring Ungy back from Wow, Camapa back from WoW..and make everyone a fucking admin. Plus he'd also ride a wombat for the lulz factor. SPAM
Oh wait, fuck that..I don't feel like wasting $200/month
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We already tried that and it failed horribly XD.
To sum it all up ungy was tired of paying for the server alone when trojan left and ditched it to anyone who would pay for it. Hence why xpert now the owner.
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| Re: Atomix [message #450119 is a reply to message #450112] |
Tue, 26 July 2011 01:44 |
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| Gen_Blacky wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 21:47 |
Ungy107 wanted servers for the [CMPS.] Clan so [CMPS.]Ungy107 and [SynC]Trojan started renting a server box. We where hosting servers for Renzor and a few other people. We had a big fight with Renzor (Idiot Trojan) and started back up bad dog gaming for the hostname's. Later down the line it turned into atomix.
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Oh yeah I remember that.
Such a shame actually Renz0r with CMPS and Sync was a good combination on paper, didn't turn out as we hoped sadly.
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| Re: Atomix [message #450121 is a reply to message #450033] |
Tue, 26 July 2011 03:33 |
dippy
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| Gen_Blacky wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 21:47 |
You weren't even around when the community was starting up : /. You did keep the server alive after we all left.
Ungy107 wanted servers for the [CMPS.] Clan so [CMPS.]Ungy107 and [SynC]Trojan started renting a server box. We where hosting servers for Renzor and a few other people. We had a big fight with Renzor (Idiot Trojan) and started back up bad dog gaming for the hostname's. Later down the line it turned into atomix.
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Ungy did more than take over the domain and hostnames - he took over our community, which was much more sizable than yours at the time.
| Duck wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 10:13 |
My "vendetta" didn't exists at the moment, a retarded without reason ts ban restarted it. But you wouldn't know about the ts ban because you are NEVER on teamspeak. Arguing with you is so pointless, when you post is the only time you ever have a spine and its always an endless back and forth process where you repeat yourself 100 times.
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In the recent past, you've taken any and every opportunity to trash-talk us; your only involvement with the community was with a sarcastic, condescending and provocative attitude, and yet you're surprised and upset when we grow tired of it and finally remove you...?
Have you stopped to consider that I repeat myself because you're failing so hard at comprehending the full situation?
Caveman.
I refuse to continue this when every point you raise I've covered off with you multiple times. You still fail to consider the consequences of your actions despite how well meaning they are - the 'bigger picture' if you like. If that's not something you're willing to do - that's fine, it's your personal choice, however you can't hold us accountable because it wasn't an attitude that was going to fit in with our community.
You so clearly haven't got the slightest clue about the dynamic between Xpert and I, so please don't try and explain it as if you do. You're putting words in my mouth based on your opinion and limited exposure, and I don't appreciate it.
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| Re: Atomix [message #450124 is a reply to message #450122] |
Tue, 26 July 2011 04:13 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 13:03 |
How the hell do you pay 200 USD for a server? I know the dollar isn't too expensive but this? We're currently spending little over 40 Euros a month for BlackIntel server and domain names...
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Purchasing a server, then colocating has always been way less expensive than renting 100 %. BI always had a very good policy on that.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Atomix [message #450130 is a reply to message #449765] |
Tue, 26 July 2011 06:25 |
iRANian
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I know zunnie "sells" them for less than a euro per slot, I don't even want to ask how you can be paying 200 dollars lol.
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Scripts 4.0 private beta tester since May 2011.
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| Re: Atomix [message #450133 is a reply to message #449765] |
Tue, 26 July 2011 06:40 |
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Gen_Blacky
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I think the atomix box still costs $200 a month because softlayer likes mounting their customers and rides them long and hard. Xpert might of changed hosting companies idk.
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Purchasing a server, then calocating has always been way less expensive than renting 100 %.
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yes but only if you have the net to support. If you want to buy a dedicated T1 line for $500-1000 a month go ahead or only a few channel line for cheaper.
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| Re: Atomix [message #450135 is a reply to message #449765] |
Tue, 26 July 2011 06:50 |
shaitan
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Disregard my last message. Was drunk. 
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:38 |
I get along with people fine, so long as they aren't rejects who promised things that they couldn't
deliver on, or forum trolls who contribute nothing except to bloat the fragile egos of the same
rejects I despise.
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| Re: Atomix [message #450137 is a reply to message #450005] |
Tue, 26 July 2011 07:00 |
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| dippy wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 20:57 |
Lots of words
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You missed a really important part of the discussion.
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| Xpert wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 13:18 |
I'm done with this "why I was removed" bullshit.
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Why was i removed?
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| Re: Atomix [message #450138 is a reply to message #450107] |
Tue, 26 July 2011 07:04 |
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| Tunaman wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 20:11 |
you dont have to say you're not going to post again every time you post. especially if you're just going to post again
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HAHAHA, HILARIOUS.
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| Re: Atomix [message #450146 is a reply to message #450133] |
Tue, 26 July 2011 08:40 |
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| Gen_Blacky wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 15:40 |
I think the atomix box still costs $200 a month because softlayer likes mounting their customers and rides them long and hard. Xpert might of changed hosting companies idk.
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yes but only if you have the net to support. If you want to buy a dedicated T1 line for $500-1000 a month go ahead or only a few channel line for cheaper.
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That's why I said "then colocating". You purchase a server, assemble it and place it in a data center. I understand this is less obvious in the USA, with their huge distances.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Atomix [message #450149 is a reply to message #449765] |
Tue, 26 July 2011 09:19 |
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Xpers maccy d's job supports it anyway, so alls good!
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| Re: Atomix [message #450150 is a reply to message #450121] |
Tue, 26 July 2011 09:31 |
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| dippy wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 03:33 |
In the recent past, you've taken any and every opportunity to trash-talk us; your only involvement with the community was with a sarcastic, condescending and provocative attitude, and yet you're surprised and upset when we grow tired of it and finally remove you...?
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Considering I quit and wasn't removed. I quit and made a topic in the full mod section, which who knows if its still there or not in the February before the April when everyone was removed. I flat out said I quit, not my problem no one got around to taking my access away like asked.
Now that that is cleared up, yea I had an attitude, I didn't until someone came in and wiped everything clean, didn't care about what had been done before hand. Who was there first, him as owner or me as mod, oh yea, I was there first, may it had only been a temp mod, but I really didn't care the status. Several months of temp mod where you actually learn how to mod. Such a thing is unheard of there now.
Now we have already established I have a bad attitude towards Xpert, I don't like Xpert, and he doesn't like me, to which started before he even was owner. Direct a post at me with something new and that we don't already know please.
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