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Re: Atomix [message #449975 is a reply to message #449967] |
Sat, 23 July 2011 19:23 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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iRANian wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 13:17 | the last time ive seen dippy play renegade is 5 years ago
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What's an "dippy"? =\
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Re: Atomix [message #449983 is a reply to message #449911] |
Sun, 24 July 2011 05:09 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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Xpert wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 13:18 |
I'm done with this "why I was removed" bullshit.
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Why was i removed?
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Re: Atomix [message #449987 is a reply to message #449983] |
Sun, 24 July 2011 08:49 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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Catalyst wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 05:09 |
Xpert wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 13:18 |
I'm done with this "why I was removed" bullshit.
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Why was i removed?
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Because you're too sexy.
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Re: Atomix [message #449988 is a reply to message #449964] |
Sun, 24 July 2011 11:27 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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Duck wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 11:21 | If you have never been at least full mod in atomix to the point you can see the forum section at least, you in reality have no idea what goes on there and should not speak about any matters regarding Atomix in which you have no clue. I haven't been there in years and things have probably either become better or worse, but it is so clear, the attitude and actions of the decision maker hasn't changed one bit.
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I'm a full mod. Have been for some time now. I haven't seen really anything that you speak about. You act like there's witchcraft or something that goes on...
I used to despise Xpert and nearly everyone knows that. He despised me as well. I took a long break from Ren(again) came back and decided to sit @ Atomix, because of Italy and a few others. Turned out, Xpert had changed as well. I don't see where you guys are coming from that makes Xpert the "cold-hearted owner/admin" that he is, because he really isn't. Because a few mods got removed, you guys are making this more than it is. He listens to just about all the mods that give him ideas, and takes them from granted. Shit, he held a "conference" a couple days ago with like 4-5 mods (me, manny, elmo, Ez, Stewie, app and I think a couple more) asking what we should do about the situation. He just didn't do something, he wanted input from HIS mod team on what we wanted to do as well.
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Re: Atomix [message #449992 is a reply to message #449765] |
Sun, 24 July 2011 13:05 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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Well thats a fucking first LOL.
But tbh in that situation, people only with knowledge of web skills could do anything, so pretty pointless "conference".
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Re: Atomix [message #449996 is a reply to message #449992] |
Sun, 24 July 2011 14:50 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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VuLTiMa wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 13:05 | Well thats a fucking first LOL.
But tbh in that situation, people only with knowledge of web skills could do anything, so pretty pointless "conference".
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It wasn't just having someone fix the site. It was if we should start new, what should we keep, and other stuff that I won't go into.
Oh, and that's not the first time he's done something like that, either.
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Re: Atomix [message #450005 is a reply to message #449955] |
Sun, 24 July 2011 20:57 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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Caveman wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 03:46 |
Noone has said that you've haven't put a lot of time into the community, I'm not trying to argue your position or anything like that however, I am quoting X here 'Inactivity is inactivity' his words mate, not mine. This is why I said well what bout you, Elmo and other mods, it was nothing personal it was me proving that my removal wasn't because I was AFK. Yes we need a hierarchy, of course, however people should still get treated the same whether they're a halfy thats been here for 2 days or an admin thats been here since the beginning.
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The same treatment, to a great extent. However at some point there is a line drawn in the sand. That's what makes it a hierarchy, which we now agree is necessary.
Caveman wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 03:46 |
Just because you, elmo, x, hypnos or whoever have been here longer that doesn't mean that you're more important or that you can have the rules bent for you. This is where I get pissy, rules are rules everyone should abide by them.
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What rules are we talking about here? The appointment of staff, who is appointed and to what level has always been at the discretion of the senior staff. It's an executive decision.
Caveman wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 03:46 |
I hope that doesn't apply to me, I can't see how I would have done more harm then good, I can't see how I did any harm but ok. As far as I know I didn't lose anyones respect albeit Xperts which is to be expected. I still had senior stuff say to me even though what im saying is right and they agree with me, its X's server.
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It certainly does apply to you. You have to realise that your approach to these issues has the capacity to do more harm than good. Sometimes the path of least resistance makes things better off for the community. You might be sacrificing your own morals in part, which is something you're not clearly able to do, but I'd urge you to consider whether it would have been beneficial to the community to have done so, given the situation we're in now.
You had senior staff agree with you, including me, on some issues. However, have you asked yourself why you didn't always get our public support? The answer is that we have more to consider than how it might conflict your high moral standards, namely what is overall less disruptive and better off for the community, given what state it was in at the time. It's an important consideration you've failed to make over and over again.
Caveman wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 03:46 |
I've said this many times, yes its his server he can do what he likes with the server, however you can't run a community like that, when you do this happens, its not the first time this has happened and im not the only one to have stood up and said so. Yes being a lesser staff I should accept when X has made the final decision but if me and most of the other staff thinks its the wrong one then we should be allowed to express our opinions and ask why he has decided to choose it. Not just go 'My server sit the fuck down' You wouldn't run Atomix like this, so surely you should understand where I am coming from.
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Correction: in your opinion, you can't run a community like that. I've said a number of times now that it's not necessarily the way I would run things. However, I have respect for the approach he has chosen, and I've worked out how I can best work within those bounds to aid the community. Through that avenue, we've had joint successes, and he and I have a good working relationship. Contrast now to your approach, and ask yourself what has been more beneficial to the community.
Caveman wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 03:46 |
I'm not trying to get my mod back, I know X isn't gonna drop his ego and meet me half way,(even though I said to you both privately that fine i'll do it your way and i'd bounce on his epenis because I wanted what was best for Atomix and I still got whats the word... IGNORED.) that's not the point of this topic (as it is now) I want it known that X is a prick and if you don't do as he says he will just make up some bollox to get rid of you.
As I have said already, he can hire/fire who he wants but I just wanted the public to know his actual reasons behind it not that BS he used to cover it up so when others decide to join atomix as a part of the community they know what they're getting themselves in for.
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So what exactly is the real reason Xpert removed you? Duck, you might pay attention here too. Everyone keeps banging on about how we're hiding the real reasons you were removed, and yet are hesitant to name them. Who ever said you don't have to get along with the owner to be on our staff? I think a least having respect for each other is a very important start. Which you two clearly don't have, despite who is to blame. Given the level of dislike and disrespect between you, you can't have ever expected that to be an effective situation. Something had to give, and how you ever thought it was going to be him is beyond me.
VuLTiMa wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 04:12 |
Me and Italy to begin with hardly did more harm that good, we were the only active mods actually doing something for a good 4 months, and hardly called people out, what I figure is, Italy saw Atomix was doing something stupid and decided to go out with a bang.
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You were active mods in the sense that you were moderating the server often. In that way, you were doing good for the community and I don't dispute it. In a lot of other ways (as I pointed out above), your actions were detrimental.
VuLTiMa wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 04:12 |
I kept my mouth shut until my status was removed, as did Caveman, to keep the peace with Xpert, if Caveman didn't agree with Xpert, I didn't see him going "OMGWTFSHITDECISION", as people somehow appear to think.
I cannot recall one topic where he did that on a minor scale - the part when he spoke out about needing more senior mods, which was totally a good decision, as Xpert seems to be hated by a lot of people and the server kept getting downed, and the serial to it changed, meaning during the early hours of american/candian time, but UK morning, the server would be down and as usual it would just be me italy caveman and hypnos and would have to wait for periods of 12 hours for it to be online again as no one could put it back online, occasionally dippy would be on as it would be nighttime for him, and he would fix the problem, but that was even rare.
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You weren't paying nearly enough attention, then.
The very situation you're talking about is a perfect example of how, with the right approach, we got a problem fixed. To you, the solution was to open up the server to more people. To us, that wasn't acceptable. It took some time, yes, but we discussed it and put some more staff in place. Everyone was happy, and it's a shame you didn't take anything away from the experience.
VuLTiMa wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 04:12 |
I didn't even make it public that I had a problem until the very end of days, which anyways I was getting ganged up on by Appshot and basically Xperts "minions", so yea why would I take that shit, they clearly had a problem because of what Xpert had said to them, and I aren't going to take that shit.
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I'm not going to comment on whether or not that happened, as I wasn't paying attention to it, and no one thought to mention it to me. Let's say for argument's sake it was happening, though. What did you do? Lowered yourself to their level instead of trying to get it fixed in a more mature way.
Duck wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 11:21 | Anyone who had been around for a decent amount of time and at one point had at least full mod and saw all the behind closed doors stuff at any given point in Atomix knew right away the true reason for getting rid of Caveman as I said in my one post in that topic without saying it straight out. For the people who didn't spend a good amount of time there and know what went on behind closed doors, you probably won't understand the full story.
As I knew it the instant I saw it it was just xpert grabbing at a weak excuse to cover up for the real reason. So many times before the same thing has happened, from other demod's to bans that got swept under the rug because of the fact there wasn't enough evidence.
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Again, I invite you to tell us what you think the true reason is behind his demodding. Xpert didn't like him? Given the lack of compromise on each side, sounds like an acceptable reason to me. Inactivity and a lack of willingness to follow simple and reasonable directions certainly played their part also. I've given my honest and open opinion of why things have turned out like they have, and you're still saying we're covering things up. If you know of something that I don't, please say it now.
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Re: Atomix [message #450007 is a reply to message #449765] |
Sun, 24 July 2011 21:55 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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Its the fact that the only reason given on removal was afk, when its all so clear and is now in the open that it was the disliking factor. If he was afk or not, I wouldn't know, I haven't paid that much attention. But I wouldn't know most of the things that go on would I, I can only base my opinions off of my past experience and what I saw when I was around, plus the occasional word of mouth from third parties. So in all honesty, I have about the same fact base to go off of as Hate, lol.
But I wouldn't know if you were covering something up, but after first hand seeing it done, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Re: Atomix [message #450009 is a reply to message #450007] |
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Duck wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 21:55 | It's the fact that the only reason given on his removal was afk, when it's all so clear, and is now in the open, that it was the disliking factor. If he was afk or not, I wouldn't know, I haven't paid that much attention. But I wouldn't know most of the things that go on would I? I can only base my opinions off of my past experience and what I saw when I was around, plus the occasional word of mouth from third parties. So in all honesty, I have about the same fact base to go off of as Hate, lol.
But I wouldn't know if you were covering something up, but after first hand seeing it done, it wouldn't surprise me.
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There you go, Duck. I fixed a couple problems in your grammar in your last post. I hope you don't mind.
So you guys now know that the true reasoning behind Caveman's removal was either AFK, or Xpert not really liking him. Now, this matter can be dropped and settled.
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·OTBot·beerfull4: see that for sure a auto aim
·OTBot·beerfull4: u know how i can tell
·OTBot·Gohax: LOL
·OTBot·Gohax: how can you tell?
·OTBot·beerfull4: becuz your american and americans are like that
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Re: Atomix [message #450010 is a reply to message #450009] |
Sun, 24 July 2011 22:10 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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OpTic wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 22:02 |
Duck wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 21:55 | It's the fact that the only reason given on his removal was afk, when it's all so clear, and is now in the open, that it was the disliking factor. If he was afk or not, I wouldn't know, I haven't paid that much attention. But I wouldn't know most of the things that go on would I? I can only base my opinions off of my past experience and what I saw when I was around, plus the occasional word of mouth from third parties. So in all honesty, I have about the same fact base to go off of as Hate, lol.
But I wouldn't know if you were covering something up, but after first hand seeing it done, it wouldn't surprise me.
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There you go, Duck. I fixed a couple problems in your grammar in your last post. I hope you don't mind.
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Thanks man!
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Re: Atomix [message #450017 is a reply to message #450015] |
Mon, 25 July 2011 01:29 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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MUDKIPS wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 01:10 |
Azazel wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 08:49 |
I need some cocks in my hands so I stop typing
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I think your obsessed with penis's. I'm sure Holland has gay bars to deal with your needs.
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Re: Atomix [message #450019 is a reply to message #450007] |
Mon, 25 July 2011 02:19 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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Duck wrote on Sun, 24 July 2011 21:55 | Its the fact that the only reason given on removal was afk, when its all so clear and is now in the open that it was the disliking factor. If he was afk or not, I wouldn't know, I haven't paid that much attention. But I wouldn't know most of the things that go on would I, I can only base my opinions off of my past experience and what I saw when I was around, plus the occasional word of mouth from third parties. So in all honesty, I have about the same fact base to go off of as Hate, lol.
But I wouldn't know if you were covering something up, but after first hand seeing it done, it wouldn't surprise me.
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In other words, you had no clue what led to these events and decided to trash us anyway. Jumping on the bandwagon: you're doing it right.
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Re: Atomix [message #450020 is a reply to message #449765] |
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Sure I had a clue, just not every bit of information. If I had no clue, I sure made a good guess then, considering it was right.
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Re: Atomix [message #450023 is a reply to message #449765] |
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In your own words, you didn't know if he was inactive or not, you didn't know most of the things going on behind the scenes and you didn't know if we were covering something up. Yet, here you are trying to talk fact, and completely missing the point in the process. Take your vendetta elsewhere.
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Re: Atomix [message #450033 is a reply to message #449765] |
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My "vendetta" didn't exists at the moment, a retarded without reason ts ban restarted it. But you wouldn't know about the ts ban because you are NEVER on teamspeak. Arguing with you is so pointless, when you post is the only time you ever have a spine and its always an endless back and forth process where you repeat yourself 100 times.
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Re: Atomix [message #450047 is a reply to message #449765] |
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fyi also Dippy, I didn't lower myself to their level, not going to engage in an argument against Xpert and lovers when its 7v1, at the end of the day, Atomix sucks, doesn't even compare to how it used to be, and Xpert uses people in a way that doesn't benefit the community, but himself by giving status out so people can actually stand to be around him.
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Re: Atomix [message #450076 is a reply to message #450005] |
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dippy wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 04:57 |
Caveman wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 03:46 |
Noone has said that you've haven't put a lot of time into the community, I'm not trying to argue your position or anything like that however, I am quoting X here 'Inactivity is inactivity' his words mate, not mine. This is why I said well what bout you, Elmo and other mods, it was nothing personal it was me proving that my removal wasn't because I was AFK. Yes we need a hierarchy, of course, however people should still get treated the same whether they're a halfy thats been here for 2 days or an admin thats been here since the beginning.
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The same treatment, to a great extent. However at some point there is a line drawn in the sand. That's what makes it a hierarchy, which we now agree is necessary.
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Could you define what this line is then? Why is it you or someone higher then me should receive special treatment. You're arguing with me however im just quoting X. Inactivity is inactivity. If I get removed for it then so should you, elmo, Hypnos (no hate towards anyone ive mentioned, just exmaples.) and all the other mods. You either actively play or you leave. That's the message that was thrown in my face. Rules are rules, are they not?
dippy wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 04:57 |
Caveman wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 03:46 |
Just because you, elmo, x, hypnos or whoever have been here longer that doesn't mean that you're more important or that you can have the rules bent for you. This is where I get pissy, rules are rules everyone should abide by them.
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What rules are we talking about here? The appointment of staff, who is appointed and to what level has always been at the discretion of the senior staff. It's an executive decision.
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See above, if you want to promote then carry on, I don't care because 'rank' in an online gaming community means nothing to me for two reasons.
1) Its a fkin GAME.
2) I treat everyone regardless of rank or even if they're just the people that play in your server the same. Sorry for making people feel wanted and respected regardless of status. This isn't the Army.
dippy wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 04:57 |
Caveman wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 03:46 |
I hope that doesn't apply to me, I can't see how I would have done more harm then good, I can't see how I did any harm but ok. As far as I know I didn't lose anyones respect albeit Xperts which is to be expected. I still had senior stuff say to me even though what im saying is right and they agree with me, its X's server.
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It certainly does apply to you. You have to realise that your approach to these issues has the capacity to do more harm than good. Sometimes the path of least resistance makes things better off for the community. You might be sacrificing your own morals in part, which is something you're not clearly able to do, but I'd urge you to consider whether it would have been beneficial to the community to have done so, given the situation we're in now.
You had senior staff agree with you, including me, on some issues. However, have you asked yourself why you didn't always get our public support? The answer is that we have more to consider than how it might conflict your high moral standards, namely what is overall less disruptive and better off for the community, given what state it was in at the time. It's an important consideration you've failed to make over and over again.
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I had you and many other senior staff agree with what I/we thought was best however it wasn't what X thought was best so you and the other admins/mods kept quiet and let X do what he wanted because if you didn't you'd hurt his ego and he'd have a fit. Again this is X getting what he wants people are scared to argue because if they do they might get demodded (ring any bells?) Some occasions require the lesser mods being me and even you to suck it up and deal with it but not all the time, that's not a community thats a dictatorship. I didn't join Atomix for that. This has nothing to do with moral high standards. I want whats best for Atomix and most of the time you even agree with me but wont say it in public.
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Caveman wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 03:46 |
I've said this many times, yes its his server he can do what he likes with the server, however you can't run a community like that, when you do this happens, its not the first time this has happened and im not the only one to have stood up and said so. Yes being a lesser staff I should accept when X has made the final decision but if me and most of the other staff thinks its the wrong one then we should be allowed to express our opinions and ask why he has decided to choose it. Not just go 'My server sit the fuck down' You wouldn't run Atomix like this, so surely you should understand where I am coming from.
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Correction: in your opinion, you can't run a community like that. I've said a number of times now that it's not necessarily the way I would run things. However, I have respect for the approach he has chosen, and I've worked out how I can best work within those bounds to aid the community. Through that avenue, we've had joint successes, and he and I have a good working relationship. Contrast now to your approach, and ask yourself what has been more beneficial to the community.
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You shouldn't have to work around him you should beable to work with him. That's includes getting what you think is actually best not what he thinks is best on occasions. Don't you dare sit here and say you do because I know damn right you don't, not without a whole load of grovelling and pleading.
This is what I dislike about you Dippy while you mean well you beat around the bush and try and get things you want done bit by bit instead of actually saying what you want, why is that? I know why is it.
dippy wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 04:57 |
Caveman wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 03:46 |
I'm not trying to get my mod back, I know X isn't gonna drop his ego and meet me half way,(even though I said to you both privately that fine i'll do it your way and i'd bounce on his epenis because I wanted what was best for Atomix and I still got whats the word... IGNORED.) that's not the point of this topic (as it is now) I want it known that X is a prick and if you don't do as he says he will just make up some bollox to get rid of you.
As I have said already, he can hire/fire who he wants but I just wanted the public to know his actual reasons behind it not that BS he used to cover it up so when others decide to join atomix as a part of the community they know what they're getting themselves in for.
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So what exactly is the real reason Xpert removed you? Duck, you might pay attention here too. Everyone keeps banging on about how we're hiding the real reasons you were removed, and yet are hesitant to name them. Who ever said you don't have to get along with the owner to be on our staff? I think a least having respect for each other is a very important start. Which you two clearly don't have, despite who is to blame. Given the level of dislike and disrespect between you, you can't have ever expected that to be an effective situation. Something had to give, and how you ever thought it was going to be him is beyond me.
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I thought I already stated why I was removed? I was removed because X didn't like that fact I wouldn't bounce on his epenis and just did as he said if myself and others (including you) thought it was wrong. I tried to ask privately for things to be changed or even to be taken into consideration and that got me ignored and it left me doing the one thing he hates... This, public posting, making others actually come out and say what they mean, whereas before they'd all talk about it on TS or IRC including yourself but nothing ever came about it.
I was only a halfy remember... What did I have to lose if I got demodded?
Im not expecting him to leave, I never did, however I honestly think it would be the best thing for Atomix and I promise im not saying that out of my personal dislike for X. I say that because a lot of people think so to. All I wanted was to be heard, have my/other mods opinion ACTUALLY taken into serious consideration which it wasn't, you might have taken it into consideration but he never. Don't sit there and say otherwise.
dippy wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 04:57 |
Duck wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 11:21 | Anyone who had been around for a decent amount of time and at one point had at least full mod and saw all the behind closed doors stuff at any given point in Atomix knew right away the true reason for getting rid of Caveman as I said in my one post in that topic without saying it straight out. For the people who didn't spend a good amount of time there and know what went on behind closed doors, you probably won't understand the full story.
As I knew it the instant I saw it it was just xpert grabbing at a weak excuse to cover up for the real reason. So many times before the same thing has happened, from other demod's to bans that got swept under the rug because of the fact there wasn't enough evidence.
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Again, I invite you to tell us what you think the true reason is behind his demodding. Xpert didn't like him? Given the lack of compromise on each side, sounds like an acceptable reason to me. Inactivity and a lack of willingness to follow simple and reasonable directions certainly played their part also. I've given my honest and open opinion of why things have turned out like they have, and you're still saying we're covering things up. If you know of something that I don't, please say it now.
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I don't remember being told it was 'lack of compromise' from X. All I was told was. 'He has played in ages, sits on IRC, reads forums and does nothing.' Which yeah I hadn't played in 5 weeks, you hadnt played in 4 and Elmo... Well I won't go there. inactivity is inactivity. You keep telling me to listen to the owner. LISTEN TO THE OWNER. You was inactive why are you still here? I don't mean that personally, im just proving a point.
What reasonable and simple directions did he give me? All I ever got was (i've said this over and over) 'My server sit the fuck down'. Kinda hard to give directions to someone you ignore 24/7 isn't it?
Look Dippy, I know you've been here since the start and you mean well but seriously, man the fuck up and tell X exactly how it is, don't butter it up for him to save face. You shouldn't have to do that, you're joint owner, you put in just as many man hour as he does yet he 'boss man'
Atomix deserves better and you know it. You just wont publicly say it cos you might hurt his ego.
It's funny see cos when I first came back to Atomix me and X got along because we both dislike campa for his power hungryness, im sure you remember them days...It turns out X is exactly the same, perhaps not as bad as campa was with his bending of rules but nevertheless its still the same.
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HaTe wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:49 |
VuLTiMa wrote on Mon, 25 July 2011 11:32 | fyi also Dippy, I didn't lower myself to their level, not going to engage in an argument against Xpert and lovers when its 7v1, at the end of the day, Atomix sucks, doesn't even compare to how it used to be, and Xpert uses people in a way that doesn't benefit the community, but himself by giving status out so people can actually stand to be around him.
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