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| Herr Surth wrote on Fri, 22 April 2011 07:55 |
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"When you have come to the edge Of all light that you know And are about to drop off into the darkness Of the unknown, Faith is knowing One of two things will happen: There will be something solid to stand on or You will be taught to fly"
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #446261 is a reply to message #442568] |
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In my opinion there is no god...
People need a leader just like animals do, and we are nothing different then dogs, cows and or fish.
We always will follow a leader, for example the government.
God is just a made up figure of some very intelligent people in order to practise out, how to let people work for you.
Its really not that to figure out to be really honest.
If there was a god, then there would be a whole more less difference between different people. Take Africa for example...
What would be the meaning of life for monkeys or chickens for example. Or white-sharks?
Are we better then these creatures which god desides to make?
That would be strange because god would love every individual on earth, but why would he love the people instead of taking care of his trees, animals instead of the humans since we seem to know it better then he does.
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We are trying to be a God, we are doing natures work. Donating sperm, freeze our eggcells and cloning sheep.
God just has been made up by very very clever people trying to let people do. What they want to do. It just got out of the hand.
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 18 February 2011 23:50 |
I figured some people will still go LOLOLOL STARVING CATS LOOOOLZ UR A FAG or some dumb shit like that. Thanks for not disappointing! 
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| Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #448611 is a reply to message #448605] |
Thu, 09 June 2011 13:31 |
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| MUDKIPS wrote on Thu, 09 June 2011 07:23 |
It used to be a great tool to help form and unify society, to give itself a purpose and goal. Now it is obselete, and anyone who follows religion is simply a weak link in the chain that is human civilization.
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Just curious: why do you consider it obsolete, now? Are you saying the world now has a purpose and goal, as opposed to the past?
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #448612 is a reply to message #448611] |
Thu, 09 June 2011 17:21 |
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| Altzan wrote on Thu, 09 June 2011 13:31 |
| MUDKIPS wrote on Thu, 09 June 2011 07:23 |
It used to be a great tool to help form and unify society, to give itself a purpose and goal. Now it is obselete, and anyone who follows religion is simply a weak link in the chain that is human civilization.
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Just curious: why do you consider it obsolete, now? Are you saying the world now has a purpose and goal, as opposed to the past?
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As an archaeologist I can tell you that the way the world is now, religion can only be detrimental.
Look at it like this. In the past people had no idea how things worked, how life worked, how nature worked, they just lived their lives, and did their best. When a certain human consciousness evolved (which can be distinguished in the archaeological record to some extend) people obviously started wondering about their existance, how things worked, what they should do with their lives.
So for lack of an explaination, they began to band together and form religions, a coalescent for society basically, which allowed people to live their lives together in a framework that was understandable for them, and motivating.
As time passes, and we see prehistory and history unfold, people discover more and more about life. Gravity, electricity, magnetism, psychology, you name it.
Right know, a far greater percentage of what our daily life encompasses is known, than in the past. Say, maybe in the 15th century, the average person knew 20% of what was actually happening in his life, like, he knew how leverage worked, or he knew about the hardness of certain metals and stones, whatever basically.
Nowadays, people roughly know 75% of what is happening in their life, there is a very high degree of predicatability and certainty to life around us. The common argument against leading an atheist life is that "science hasn't explained everything yet". It has explained the MAJORITY.
Religion is only detrimental because it shields you from the reality of daily life, of what is really going on and how strongly you can influence your life, which is not in the hands of some bearded ghost floating above our heads. Religion tends to absolve people of their responsibilities.
A society in which people are driven by their responsibilities, to themselves, to other people (rather than fairy tales) the more they will accomplish, since they are knowledgeable to what is around them, why, and how to manipulate (not in a negative sense, in a general sense) it best to achieve their goals.
If you place your own self-actualization (both in the sense of individual accomplishment as well as what a society can achieve) in the centre of your life, you will achieve far more. Individually, and cooperatively.
If you take the responsibility for your own life and other people's lives out of everybody's hands, you're only putting a brake on humanity. Simply, because you cannot face the reality of life, the fact that it begins, and it ends, and in that timespan good and bad things happen, and YOU have to make the best of it while you can.
Praying to a non-existing god, placing responsbility with him is a waste of time, it achieves nothing and is in effect more detrimental than beneficial.
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| Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #449137 is a reply to message #442568] |
Sun, 26 June 2011 13:46 |
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from another forum:
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Most of you here will already know that I have no personal issues with Atheists, and their beliefs (yes, Atheisism is a belief just like any other religion (yeah, it is. It's BELIEVING that there is no deity without any proof. Just like religion is believing there is one without proof.)), but that NOT what the thread is about. It's about petty complaints.
A group of atheists in New York City have their panties in a wad over a street sign dedicated to firefighters who died in 9/11. The sign, which reads "Seven in Heaven Way," was dedicated in Brooklyn outside the firehouse where the firefighters once served. The atheists are upset because they say the word "Heaven " is a violation of the separation of church and state.
Really?
Hey ... NY atheists! Can you pull your heads out of your asses long enough to realize and then perhaps acknowledge that the phrase "separation of church and state" does not exist in our founding documents?
Just tell me where in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution does it mention "the separation of church and state"? Answer: nowhere.
The First Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." It does NOT say, "There should be no signage or displays of religious nature in the public domain."
That is something made up by Ken Bronstein, president of New York City Atheists and those who make completely stupid arguments on this subject.
Ken Bronstein also says that the sign is really "insulting to us."
Cry me a freaking river, Ken. Get the atheist chip off your shoulder and find someone who gives a damn about you being insulted by the word "Heaven."
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My experience is that true atheists are actually somewhat rare and typically make a policy of minding their own business.
Most of the folks like these losers are actually anti-religious in general or anti-christian / Jewish /etc in particular.
In either case there is nothing wrong with them that can not be fixed with a fine piece of hickory.
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The second part reminds me a lot of the "so called" atheists on this forum. In fact I've only met one atheist who doesn't seem to have a massive vendetta against Christianity, unlike Spoony, Ryan3k, or Starbuzz. In their perfect world religion would be outlawed on the pain of death. Oh excuse me, Christianity would be outlawed. Seriously guys, the way you act towards us is completely hypocritical contrary to how you say you are in rl. I don't get near as much hate towards the libs on the forum that this is from as I do towards any conservatives here. If you get what I mean.
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As an atheist myself, I can tell you guys that these fukktards protesting in New York are shameless, self serving, attention-whore assholes.
I look at it this way:
If they are so self righteous about their notion of separating "Church and State", then I would assume that they absolutely refuse to touch or utilize Dollar Bills, as the bills have " in God We trust " printed on them..
Since we can safely assume that these fukkwits have NO PROBLEM spending and receiveing Dollar paper money during purchases, I see their "New-Found" indignation at the street sign as pure ASSHOLINESS of the Highest Magnitude on their part.
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This is the guy I was talking about and I'm quite sure he would look at you the same way.
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| Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #449193 is a reply to message #442568] |
Mon, 27 June 2011 21:03 |
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I've had some discussions with atheists since my last spat here on these forums. They were quite nice about the affair, sharing their opinions with a respectful regard for the opinions of those on the other side of the issue.
I definitely prefer those types of discussions.
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #449197 is a reply to message #449137] |
Tue, 28 June 2011 06:24 |
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| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 26 June 2011 13:46 |
yeah, it is. It's BELIEVING that there is no deity without any proof. Just like religion is believing there is one without proof.)
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not the same thing at all. i would rephrase it from "believing there is no deity" to "not believing there is a deity". but there are quibbles about what the word "atheism" means, as well as the view that we don't even need the word for it at all, etc
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The second part reminds me a lot of the "so called" atheists on this forum. In fact I've only met one atheist who doesn't seem to have a massive vendetta against Christianity, unlike Spoony, Ryan3k, or Starbuzz. In their perfect world religion would be outlawed on the pain of death. Oh excuse me, Christianity would be outlawed.
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dude... you're a fucking liar.
how many times do i need to defend the right of freedom of thought? how many times do you have to try to lie by saying i'm against it? we've been here before, when you accused me of "believing in thought police"; you were caught lying then too.
for you to say i would want to see someone killed for being the wrong religion is a fucking disgrace, and you owe me an apology for saying it, you liar.
perhaps you've also noticed any of my repeated criticisms of hell, where supposedly people are tortured forever for being the wrong religion? you must have noticed me ripping this idea apart for the evil bullshit it is, and you might also have noticed the religious "moderates" on this forum occasionally defending it? is this consistent with the lie you tried to spin up there? me saying "people shouldn't be punished for not being the right religion" and religious folks on this forum disagreeing with me? oh wait, you've gotta pretend you haven't seen that, your ridiculous accusation doesn't work when you take all that into account, does it?
as for what this guzzimike said:
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As an atheist myself, I can tell you guys that these fukktards protesting in New York are shameless, self serving, attention-whore assholes.
I look at it this way:
If they are so self righteous about their notion of separating "Church and State", then I would assume that they absolutely refuse to touch or utilize Dollar Bills, as the bills have " in God We trust " printed on them..
Since we can safely assume that these fukkwits have NO PROBLEM spending and receiveing Dollar paper money during purchases, I see their "New-Found" indignation at the street sign as pure ASSHOLINESS of the Highest Magnitude on their part.
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hasn't he noticed that many atheist/secularist groups have long been advocating removing the "in god we trust" bullshit from the US money? it should never have been put on there in the first place, just like the "under god" should never have been put into the pledge of allegiance.
it's really cheap to say "hah, if these atheists were serious they wouldn't touch money again!"... what an idiot.
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This is the guy I was talking about and I'm quite sure he would look at you the same way.
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that's ok, he doesn't know what he's talking about any more than you do, though i suspect his stupidity is more to do with ignorance, whereas yours was sheer dishonesty.
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And you notice that I didn't say your name unless you are one of them and created a separate account... Which I'm quite certain you didn't, so you have nothing to worry about. You aren't anything like those three from what I've seen which means I have no reason to name you as being a Christian hater like them.
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again, this is the kind of trick you see religious people try to pull.
i'm gonna type two sentences below:
- person X views Islam with contempt
- person X views Muslims with contempt
they look very similar on paper, but they're incredibly different. i shouldn't have to explain the difference, i really hope you are bright enough to understand why one is fine and the other is not fine at all. unfortunately, if you do understand the difference, it just makes you a liar again.
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| Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #449198 is a reply to message #449194] |
Tue, 28 June 2011 06:40 |
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| HaTe wrote on Mon, 27 June 2011 21:38 |
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In fact I've only met one atheist who doesn't seem to have a massive vendetta against Christianity, unlike Spoony, Ryan3k, or Starbuzz.
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I have nothing against Christians and I'm atheist..
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The only real reason you didn't make it on Muad's hitlist was because you never posted anything that had the unintended consequence of stumping these folks. These walls of pink text before us is a outcry against the well-thought out arguments they recieved when their dogma's fallacies were systematically and objectively deconstructed and given back to them in a thousand pieces thru the religious debates here. I guess doing a mediocre job of defending your position means those they debated had a murderous vendetta. Such shortsightedness...
You do that HaTe and you will end up as a "Christian hater" atheist who has a "massive vendetta against Christianity" where you want to have "religion...outlawed on the pain of death" especially "Christianity..." that "would be outlawed."
What a shameless abhorrent immoral accusation Muad made: that Ryan3K, Spoony, and Starbuzz want to kill Christians and wipe out their religion.
Thinking critically, asking scrutinizing questions, and to come to the defense of people like homosexuals (who like women and blacks before them) have been unfairly treated with their same set of narrow tyranny enforced on them makes us all "shameless, self serving, attention-whore assholes."
We know these theists very well and we can't do anything but staunchly defend their rights so they too will have their rights; afterall basic human rights is a concept they don't seem to understand.
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| Spoony wrote on Tue, 28 June 2011 06:24 |
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The second part reminds me a lot of the "so called" atheists on this forum. In fact I've only met one atheist who doesn't seem to have a massive vendetta against Christianity, unlike Spoony, Ryan3k, or Starbuzz. In their perfect world religion would be outlawed on the pain of death. Oh excuse me, Christianity would be outlawed.
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dude... you're a fucking liar.
how many times do i need to defend the right of freedom of thought? how many times do you have to try to lie by saying i'm against it? we've been here before, when you accused me of "believing in thought police"; you were caught lying then too.
for you to say i would want to see someone killed for being the wrong religion is a fucking disgrace, and you owe me an apology for saying it, you liar.
perhaps you've also noticed any of my repeated criticisms of hell, where supposedly people are tortured forever for being the wrong religion? you must have noticed me ripping this idea apart for the evil bullshit it is, and you might also have noticed the religious "moderates" on this forum occasionally defending it? is this consistent with the lie you tried to spin up there? me saying "people shouldn't be punished for not being the right religion" and religious folks on this forum disagreeing with me? oh wait, you've gotta pretend you haven't seen that, your ridiculous accusation doesn't work when you take all that into account, does it?
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That's what I thought too.
I thought it was odd that Muad was comparing what you have been saying about human rights and freedom of thought along with generally debating on religion with the "petty complaints" of what is taking place in NY. Either he is a liar or he hasn't been reading what you had been writing.
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| Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #449205 is a reply to message #449137] |
Tue, 28 June 2011 11:33 |
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| Muad Dib15 wrote on Sun, 26 June 2011 13:46 |
I don't get near as much hate towards the libs on the forum that this is from as I do towards any conservatives here. If you get what I mean.
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I don't get what this means at all...
My sentiment continues throughout the rest of your post, too.
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