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Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #446014 is a reply to message #446000]

Thu, 21 April 2011 05:17

shippo
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Spoony wrote on Wed, 20 April 2011 21:47

shippo wrote on Wed, 20 April 2011 20:57

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as Evolutionists what do you believe was the begining of the univers? (I'm going somewere with this)

i don't have the faintest idea, but at least i won't pretend i do.

you believe in Evolution but you have no idea how it happend. so doesn't that mean you believe this on faith?

this is getting ridiculous, shippo. how many times have i told you that evolution does not attempt to explain the origin of the universe or the world? it covers living things. it does not say anything about planets and such.

The Theory does and that is what I was talking about. But it's ok I should have stated that more clearly above.

You said there is overwhelming evidence in support of evolution, the process, and not the theory I assume. Are you talking about macro evolution (process of one specie evolving into another) or micro evolution (process of smaller changes within the same specie)? I define specie as a group of animals that look similar and can reproduce like (dogs and wolves I group them under the dog specie).

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as for "god does not approve of rape", that's not a safe assertion at all. even if we didn't have this rule on rape which punishes the victim and in a sense rewards the offender, perhaps you also wanna look at deuteronomy 20:10, samuel 12:11-14, deuteronomy 21:10-14, zechariah 14:1-2, numbers 31:7-18, judges 21:10-24... some of these are very enthusiastically in favour of rape.

Those are very poor examples. Most of them are prophecies about the Israelites being attacked and plundered. Judges 21:10-24 is the only one that even comes close and even in that one God never commanded any of it.

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You keep gripeing about "I don't think its fair" or "that's not right" WHY is it right or wrong? what is your basis for saying this? And it beter not be, because laws or society says so. because in 1939 Nazi German society said it was fine to murder 3 million people, 1831 the American government said it was fine to take thousands of acers of Indian land and relocate the polulation, in 1949 China's society thought it was fair to take everyone's wealth, rich or poor and "redistribute" it.

again, it's really funny that you think i'm the one with the explaining to do. maybe you should ask why this god of yours punishes rape victims.

as for the ridiculous examples you degraded yourself by citing, that's easy. ask a European Jew if it was right to murder them for being the wrong religion. do you want to be murdered for being the wrong religion? no? then that's easy. don't murder someone else for being the wrong religion. hooray, we've learned that murdering people for not being the right religion is morally wrong, but it's very alarming that you didn't seem to know that already. if you are raped, do you want to be further punished by being forced to marry your attacker? do you mind the idea of your future being destroyed so you can be the plaything of a violent sex offender? if not, why not?

what a stupid question. no, worse than stupid... insulting. what a shining example of the damage religion can do to a person's mind.

What a nice way to beat about the bush. I asked one simple question: what is the basis of your moral values (why is it right or worng). You have avoided it 3 times. If you don't want to answer it, just say so but please don't keep avoiding it.

You don't have to reply but attest think about this, if you don't have God telling you what is morally right or wrong, who then decides what is?

@ Herr Surth lol sorry, spelling was my worst subject in school. I have used spell check so now it should be easier to read.

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