| Stuff that is incompatible with scripts 4.0 [message #445048] |
Sun, 20 March 2011 03:26  |
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Here is a list of things that (as of right now) can't be run alongside scripts 4.0:
Rend3d9 (old tool to enable D3D9 for renegade)
Renegade Resurrection
BIATCH (the relavent bits of BIATCH have been ported to 4.0)
Renguard (with the new anti-cheat stuff in 4.0, its no longer required)
Old server side mods (SSAOW, SSCTF, SSAPB)
SSGM/SSAOW plugins that are not written specifically for 4.0
Jonathan Wilson aka Jonwil
Creator and Lead Coder of the Custom scripts.dll
Renegade Engine Guru
Creator and Lead Coder of TT.DLL
Official member of Tiberian Technologies
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| Re: Stuff that is incompatible with scripts 4.0 [message #445061 is a reply to message #445048] |
Sun, 20 March 2011 16:56  |
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For the version after 4.0, if there are features in Renegade Resurrection that players want/need AND that can be added without big hacks, we will look into adding them.
Jonathan Wilson aka Jonwil
Creator and Lead Coder of the Custom scripts.dll
Renegade Engine Guru
Creator and Lead Coder of TT.DLL
Official member of Tiberian Technologies
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| Re: Stuff that is incompatible with scripts 4.0 [message #445064 is a reply to message #445061] |
Sun, 20 March 2011 18:20 |
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HaTe
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Why won't RR be compatible? I realize not many people working on the scripts play Ren much anymore, but both Atomix and 1337 sniper servers support, and recommended RR. In fact, 1337-snipers makes frequent use of the !forcerr system. I realize that the scripts will replace most of RR's uses, but to have to uninstall it for use of the scripts is sort of dumb. There's like 100-200 players on Renegade on at one time, and I'd estimate a good 25% of them use RR to play Renegade. I also personally hate having to use the WOL server list, and RR's direct connect is really easy to use.
So, does this mean you guys are getting close to finishing, or just getting hopes up again for another years wait?
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| Re: Stuff that is incompatible with scripts 4.0 [message #445072 is a reply to message #445048] |
Sun, 20 March 2011 20:10 |
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| Generalcamo wrote on Sun, 20 March 2011 10:24 |
What about custom shaders? I have a HUD that uses this. If it is a problem to you guys, maybe you should make a customshaders.dll or something like that that can be disabled in servers that do not want building bars.
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Any shaders.dll mods will need to be ported to 4.0 as there are a few *years* worth of code changes since 3.4.4 (which was released 09/13/2007 by the way)
| HaTe wrote on Sun, 20 March 2011 21:20 |
Why won't RR be compatible?
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Because RR attempts to take over pieces of code which are possibly no longer called (because we took over everything that called said code) or have been taken over by us so other things don't break.
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| Re: Stuff that is incompatible with scripts 4.0 [message #445074 is a reply to message #445073] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 01:30 |
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| HaTe wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 04:46 |
So I'm curious to as why this wasn't/isn't a priority? Around 25% of the Renegade community having to uninstall it because of the scripts seems as if it would be a bit concerning to the TT team? If it's going to be possibly added on by a later update, it's obviously possible, right?
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I knew this would turn in a ragefest. It is pretty much impossible to fix certain things without rewriting some other bits. If RR is hacking into those bits, RR or TT will break. It's not something we can avoid, not if we want to fix the bug/issue in that bit of code.
Also forcerr will NOT be needed anymore because the AC is way ahead of what RR currently does. (Actually it proves that 0x90 isn't interested in Renegade anymore, but besides that it's of no use when TT is out).
If there are specific features from RR then it *MIGHT* be possible to include them in TT, but no guarantees and this will certainly not be allowing RR to work with TT. THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE.
Edit: Also 85% of all statistics used in arguments are false. Prove the 25% you're assuming, based more than one or two servers.
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| Re: Stuff that is incompatible with scripts 4.0 [message #445076 is a reply to message #445075] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 03:54 |
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| NACHO-ARG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 10:04 |
i hate xwis wol, RR is the best way to join, it is fast acces to the server browser and game join, i dont want to lose that, has for the building bars why you say that the information about the healt of a building is a cheat, westwood include that feture by prsing K button soo what is the cheat?
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Building bars discussion this way --> http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=37136&prevloaded=1& rid=20224&start=0
Why it will not work I just posted. If you want you can make a new version... HF.
As for RR, you could use the GSA browser. RR has other features which are impossible to port over, so cannot be supported. If you want to make your own launcher with GSA/Direct connect support, have fun. It's not disabled, it's just not implemented.
If you don't want to lose that, stay on scripts 3.4.4 with all annoying bugs and possible cheaters.
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| Re: Stuff that is incompatible with scripts 4.0 [message #445080 is a reply to message #445048] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 07:15 |
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I'd just like to point out that the RR launcher has a button (with configuration toggle) that lets you choose whether or not you want to use RR when joining servers.
In other words: You can most likely use the RR launcher with Scripts 4.0, as long as you don't join with RR features enabled (although I can't guarantee as I have no affiliation with the TT team).
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| Re: Stuff that is incompatible with scripts 4.0 [message #445081 is a reply to message #445080] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 08:00 |
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25% is merely an estimate, but honestly I think it's damn close. Join the atomix server and say !rr for me EWD. Then join the 1337 snipers server and say !rr. You'll find that Atomix normally has around 15+ people in their server, with 90% of them using RR. Along with every single player who plays at 1337- sniper servers. That's JUST 2 servers. The other servers aren't RR servers, but I guarantee you that at least 15% of people in every server with 30+ people in it use RR. I'm not going to go and do math calculations or polls for you, but it's quite apparent to anyone who regularly plays Renegade that RR is quite popular.
I'm also wondering how the "sniper lag fix" works. Perhaps a video of some sort? Or was the idea abandoned all together?
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Edit: Also 85% of all statistics used in arguments are false. Prove the 25% you're assuming, based more than one or two servers
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What if that statistic itself falls into the 15%? Then the 15% can be raised to any number, really...
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| Re: Stuff that is incompatible with scripts 4.0 [message #445083 is a reply to message #445048] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 10:17 |
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I Would say 30 - 40 percent of people that play renegade on a daily bases use Renegade Resurrection. Like Hate was saying in the 2 big rr servers almost every player will be running rr. Thats only on the rr servers. If you join a server like jelly maybe 15% of the players will be using rr client. I have had many small servers over the years about 50% of my player base used rr. When ever scripts 4.0 comes out their shouldn't be very many problems with updating. The TT team will just have to make sure their installer removers rr before the tt files are installed. You could probably install tt over rr and it would work.
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| Re: Stuff that is incompatible with scripts 4.0 [message #445084 is a reply to message #445081] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 12:15 |
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| HaTe wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 16:00 |
25% is merely an estimate, but honestly I think it's damn close. Join the atomix server and say !rr for me EWD. Then join the 1337 snipers server and say !rr. You'll find that Atomix normally has around 15+ people in their server, with 90% of them using RR. Along with every single player who plays at 1337- sniper servers. That's JUST 2 servers. The other servers aren't RR servers, but I guarantee you that at least 15% of people in every server with 30+ people in it use RR. I'm not going to go and do math calculations or polls for you, but it's quite apparent to anyone who regularly plays Renegade that RR is quite popular.
I'm also wondering how the "sniper lag fix" works. Perhaps a video of some sort? Or was the idea abandoned all together?
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Edit: Also 85% of all statistics used in arguments are false. Prove the 25% you're assuming, based more than one or two servers
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What if that statistic itself falls into the 15%? Then the 15% can be raised to any number, really...
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The 85% was an estimate as well, which in this case is just as valid as your estimate. Both are not valid, but do prove the point of not knowing how many people use RR.
Hell, look at the amount of people still using classic scripts or a version <3.4.4. I'm pretty sure that's over half of the Rene population, making your 25% estimate rather high.
Either way it doesn't matter, it's just impossible to fix, except for not using either RR or TT.
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| Re: Stuff that is incompatible with scripts 4.0 [message #445101 is a reply to message #445074] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 16:29 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 01:30 |
| HaTe wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 04:46 |
So I'm curious to as why this wasn't/isn't a priority? Around 25% of the Renegade community having to uninstall it because of the scripts seems as if it would be a bit concerning to the TT team? If it's going to be possibly added on by a later update, it's obviously possible, right?
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I knew this would turn in a ragefest. It is pretty much impossible to fix certain things without rewriting some other bits. If RR is hacking into those bits, RR or TT will break. It's not something we can avoid, not if we want to fix the bug/issue in that bit of code.
Also forcerr will NOT be needed anymore because the AC is way ahead of what RR currently does. (Actually it proves that 0x90 isn't interested in Renegade anymore, but besides that it's of no use when TT is out).
If there are specific features from RR then it *MIGHT* be possible to include them in TT, but no guarantees and this will certainly not be allowing RR to work with TT. THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE.
Edit: Also 85% of all statistics used in arguments are false. Prove the 25% you're assuming, based more than one or two servers.
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HaTe is using calm complete sentences with grammar, I wouldn't exactly call that a ragefest.
Rhetorical statistics aside, RR is important to the renegade community.
It would be impossible for TT to still be compatible (if it is so different from 3.4.4 as it sounds). So the only thing that could be done now is for Yrr (if I remember correctly the author of RR) to rewrite RR to be compatible with 4.0
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, sorry for the negativity and please coment if the time for a posible release is near. i still waiting for reborn 
