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Wed, 23 February 2011 11:05

Pyr0man1c
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JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 23 February 2011 10:23

pretty sure westwood being bad at making games killed westwood and renegade...we're talking about a company that made 2 good games

Which ones are good?

"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"

AmunRa

and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...

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v00d00

A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.

Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.

Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).

Is it just me, or does that make more sense?

The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".

My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).

- v00d00

ELiT3FLyR

ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.

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		This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 18 February 2011 11:02
		Re: This place is dead By: Caveman on Fri, 18 February 2011 11:24
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 18 February 2011 11:27
		Re: This place is dead By: Herr Surth on Fri, 18 February 2011 11:33
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		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 18 February 2011 11:46
		Re: This place is dead By: JohnDoe on Fri, 18 February 2011 15:30
		Re: This place is dead By: Altzan on Fri, 18 February 2011 14:14
		Re: This place is dead By: Goztow on Fri, 18 February 2011 14:20
		Re: This place is dead By: Creed3020 on Fri, 18 February 2011 14:40
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 18 February 2011 15:50
		Re: This place is dead By: Nightma12 on Fri, 18 February 2011 16:41
		Re: This place is dead By: Caveman on Fri, 18 February 2011 16:52
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		Re: This place is dead By: Caveman on Sat, 19 February 2011 05:09
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		Re: This place is dead By: renalpha on Sat, 19 February 2011 11:37
		Re: This place is dead By: JohnDoe on Sat, 19 February 2011 02:37
		Re: This place is dead By: reborn on Sat, 19 February 2011 04:20
		Re: This place is dead By: Omar007 on Fri, 18 February 2011 16:30
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		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Sat, 19 February 2011 02:37
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		Re: This place is dead By: Crimson on Sat, 19 February 2011 16:07
		Re: This place is dead By: Falconxl on Sun, 20 February 2011 01:00
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		Re: This place is dead By: Nightma12 on Sun, 20 February 2011 10:18
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Sun, 20 February 2011 14:45
		Re: This place is dead By: Spoony on Sun, 20 February 2011 15:16
		Re: This place is dead By: EvilWhiteDragon on Thu, 24 February 2011 01:28
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		Re: This place is dead By: liquidv2 on Sun, 20 February 2011 00:43
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		Re: This place is dead By: slosha on Sat, 19 February 2011 02:08
		Re: This place is dead By: Crimson on Sat, 19 February 2011 02:42
		Re: This place is dead By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Sat, 19 February 2011 07:32
		Re: This place is dead By: JohnDoe on Sat, 19 February 2011 15:18
		Re: This place is dead By: Herr Surth on Sat, 19 February 2011 17:11
		Re: This place is dead By: renalpha on Sat, 19 February 2011 18:14
		Re: This place is dead By: Goztow on Sun, 20 February 2011 01:18
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Sat, 19 February 2011 16:05
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		Re: This place is dead By: Goztow on Sun, 20 February 2011 06:32
		Re: This place is dead By: JohnDoe on Sun, 20 February 2011 09:15
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		Re: This place is dead By: JohnDoe on Sun, 20 February 2011 09:22
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		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Sun, 20 February 2011 15:39
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		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Sun, 20 February 2011 21:01
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		Re: This place is dead By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Sun, 20 February 2011 21:45
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		Re: This place is dead By: liquidv2 on Sun, 20 February 2011 22:26
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		Re: This place is dead By: R315r4z0r on Mon, 21 February 2011 12:44
		Re: This place is dead By: ~ on Mon, 21 February 2011 14:46
		Re: This place is dead By: JohnDoe on Mon, 21 February 2011 05:19
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		Re: This place is dead By: Taz on Mon, 21 February 2011 10:45
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		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Mon, 21 February 2011 16:04
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		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Mon, 21 February 2011 20:33
		Re: This place is dead By: bmr_71 on Mon, 21 February 2011 21:51
		Re: This place is dead By: [NE]Fobby[GEN] on Tue, 22 February 2011 00:10
		Re: This place is dead By: JohnDoe on Tue, 22 February 2011 03:32
		Re: This place is dead By: reborn on Tue, 22 February 2011 04:32
		Re: This place is dead By: Taz on Tue, 22 February 2011 12:18
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 22 February 2011 08:33
		Re: This place is dead By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Tue, 22 February 2011 09:01
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		Re: This place is dead By: Generalcamo on Tue, 22 February 2011 15:08
		Re: This place is dead By: Deactivated on Mon, 28 February 2011 14:19
		Re: This place is dead By: JohnDoe on Wed, 23 February 2011 10:23
		Re: This place is dead By: Pyr0man1c on Wed, 23 February 2011 11:05
		Re: This place is dead By: Dover on Fri, 25 February 2011 03:50
		Re: This place is dead By: [NE]Fobby[GEN] on Mon, 28 February 2011 10:20
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 23 February 2011 11:38
		Re: This place is dead By: R315r4z0r on Wed, 23 February 2011 22:30
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 24 February 2011 09:35
		Re: This place is dead By: danpaul88 on Fri, 25 February 2011 03:21
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Mon, 28 February 2011 20:12
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		Re: This place is dead By: Aprime on Tue, 01 March 2011 14:10
		Re: This place is dead By: Goztow on Tue, 01 March 2011 01:01
		Re: This place is dead By: JohnDoe on Tue, 01 March 2011 01:25
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 01 March 2011 08:22
		Re: This place is dead By: EvilWhiteDragon on Tue, 01 March 2011 08:47
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 01 March 2011 08:51
		Re: This place is dead By: danpaul88 on Tue, 01 March 2011 08:52
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 01 March 2011 09:21
		Re: This place is dead By: Mad Ivan on Thu, 03 March 2011 08:01
		Re: This place is dead By: Dante on Tue, 08 March 2011 23:24
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 09 March 2011 12:26
		Re: This place is dead By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Wed, 09 March 2011 12:34
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 09 March 2011 12:45
		Re: This place is dead By: Beanyhead on Sun, 13 March 2011 10:59
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 17 March 2011 23:56
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Sun, 13 March 2011 12:23
		Re: This place is dead By: z310 on Sun, 13 March 2011 13:14
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Sun, 13 March 2011 15:03
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		Re: This place is dead By: liquidv2 on Sun, 13 March 2011 20:03
		Re: This place is dead By: EvilWhiteDragon on Mon, 14 March 2011 10:18
		Re: This place is dead By: Omar007 on Mon, 14 March 2011 11:14
		Re: This place is dead By: R315r4z0r on Fri, 18 March 2011 12:54
		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 18 March 2011 14:29
		Re: This place is dead By: R315r4z0r on Fri, 18 March 2011 14:55
		Re: This place is dead By: dr3w2 on Mon, 21 March 2011 21:55
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		Re: This place is dead By: Aircraftkiller on Thu, 31 March 2011 09:51
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