| How are building bars, cheats? [message #440744] |
Sat, 04 December 2010 05:23  |
Generalcamo
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The following thread talks about the buildings bars that are at the side of the screen and have health of the: HON/Barr, Comm Center/adv Comm center (If applicable), Tiberian Silo (If applicable), Refinery, WF/Air, AGT/Obi, PP.
Unless they are against the server rules (Not many servers do this anymore unless it has something like StonerMK2 is attacking this harvy with an improved rocket launcher!), how are these cheats? They only display buildings health, which can easily be done by pressing J (K?), this only lessens a repetitive task.
Building bars can be advantagous at times, but not as much as aimhax or clickbots or RGH. They only show something that you can see anyway, by just taking a glance instead of a keystroke. And most servers allow them nowadays.
So really, should we censor the whole forums to something that most major servers allow? And a lot of these sites have other useful information, such as renegadeskins...
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440745 is a reply to message #440744] |
Sat, 04 December 2010 06:04  |
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If you press K, you are blinded as to your immediate surroundings, and have to stand still, both of which place you at a disadvantage in combat, by displaying that info real-time (which K doesn't even do!) without these disadvantages, you gain a huge battlefield intelligence advantage over anyone who doesn't have them installed, and knowing is half the battle.
In short, the capability is not in the default client, and it gives you an advantage => cheat.
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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the hell is that?
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440748 is a reply to message #440744] |
Sat, 04 December 2010 07:19 |
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GEORGE ZIMMER
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ho boy
here we go again
look, ultimately it comes down to it being an advantage. Like mines that are glowing, or neon pink or something easy to see- sure, it's not straight up hacking the game's files, but you don't have to in order to make something considered a "cheat".
Now I GUARANTEE you're thinking "But it just serves the same purpose as the K button.. how is that even an advantage?". Most people don't press K every 0.5 seconds. It ENTIRELY ruins the idea of a strategic strike, something like attacking the power plant to set off the EVA event, then attacking the refinery instead. Sure, after a few seconds people would catch on, but those few seconds can literally change the tide of a game. It makes defending your base too easy, as you're much more aware of what's going on. Same with minecounters (Which I say, minecounters are WAY worse, but both are still obvious advantage).
TL;DR: It's an advantage, renforums doesn't want advantage skins being spread.
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440756 is a reply to message #440748] |
Sat, 04 December 2010 09:09 |
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This topic has been discussed about 1000 times already and we have all gotten sick of it. However, in one of these topics, a honourable mod by the name of Goztow nicely put the entire argument in a simple nutshell:
| Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 01:57 |
When 5 arties are pounding your base while you are grouping up meds to destroy them, then a building can be dead within less than 20 seconds.
The difference between realtime info and pressing the key is a huge gap. I'd like to see someone fraps how he plays when he's constantly pressing the 'k' button long enough to watch the health of all buildings. If you want the same level of information as BB, then your gameplay will become totally wrecked because you need to keep doing it all the way throughout the game.
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I followed up with an example:
| Starbuzzz wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 12:54 |
Once on Under, I was SBH with grenade launcher from spawn. I went deep into the GDI tunnels and shot the Barr with my laser rifle prompting EVA to announce that it was under attack. I quickly switched to grenade launcher and grenaded the PP and took almost more than half its health away. A GDI player with BB will notice which buildings really needs repairs. Its this nice element of surprise that BB users don't seem to mind losing. The examples go on and on...
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btw, I have played with BB's for 1 full dayto know exactly what I am talking about. I am quiet unbiased and fair. And as Wiener nicely put it:
| Wiener wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 07:05 |
Q: Is that an advantage over the original ren?
A: Yes, of course. Otherwise you wouldn't use them.
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440767 is a reply to message #440744] |
Sat, 04 December 2010 12:15 |
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Altzan
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I agree with all this, but... why is this cheat in particular banned from distribution or whatever from the forums if others aren't? Advantage skins are cheat as well, but it seems no action is taken against those posted here unless they're particularly potent (W3D edits, neon emitters or suchlike). Recolors to brighter ones are frowned upon but not censored.
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440770 is a reply to message #440744] |
Sat, 04 December 2010 12:43 |
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Q: Why do you want building bars?
A: They give you constant access to building health status.
Q: Is that an advantage over the original ren?
A: Yes, of course. Otherwise you wouldn't use them.
B: they look cool.
Shaders are going to be dropped so no hud.ini when tt patch first comes out at least i think so. Problem solved.
| Altzan wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 13:15 |
I agree with all this, but... why is this cheat in particular banned from distribution or whatever from the forums if others aren't? Advantage skins are cheat as well, but it seems no action is taken against those posted here unless they're particularly potent (W3D edits, neon emitters or suchlike). Recolors to brighter ones are frowned upon but not censored.
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hud.in shaders give a greater advantage then this and not just buildings bars you can display all kinds of info on your screen. Building bars on your screen can determine where your going to attack if the buildings gets saved or not. The damages get render on screen so you know exactly how much health the building has no matter where you are our what your doing you cant just press k in a middle of a battle.
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440772 is a reply to message #440744] |
Sat, 04 December 2010 13:07 |
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We've done similar actions against obvious advantage skins. But it is just harder to draw a straight line on skins than it was on BB.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440784 is a reply to message #440770] |
Sat, 04 December 2010 17:17 |
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| Gen_Blacky wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 13:43 |
| Altzan wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 13:15 |
I agree with all this, but... why is this cheat in particular banned from distribution or whatever from the forums if others aren't? Advantage skins are cheat as well, but it seems no action is taken against those posted here unless they're particularly potent (W3D edits, neon emitters or suchlike). Recolors to brighter ones are frowned upon but not censored.
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hud.in shaders give a greater advantage then this and not just buildings bars you can display all kinds of info on your screen. Building bars on your screen can determine where your going to attack if the buildings gets saved or not. The damages get render on screen so you know exactly how much health the building has no matter where you are our what your doing you cant just press k in a middle of a battle.
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I understand that, and it makes sense. I was just commenting on how some advantages are banned and some aren't.
Gozy cleared that up though, I suppose.
I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440790 is a reply to message #440744] |
Sat, 04 December 2010 21:24 |
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You don't know how many clanwars Kill & I won 2v2 on Field grenading the strip dead. With building bars, those many wins would never have happened. What does that tell ya?
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440793 is a reply to message #440790] |
Sat, 04 December 2010 22:02 |
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| GoTWhisKéY wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 23:24 |
You don't know how many clanwars Kill & I won 2v2 on Field grenading the strip dead. With building bars, those many wins would never have happened. What does that tell ya?
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I think you did that to me once, I felt pretty retarded after that.
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440794 is a reply to message #440787] |
Sat, 04 December 2010 22:39 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 20:24 |
I spent a good 20 minutes writing a long essay about why building bars aren't an advantage (and also completely disproving that two part question answer thing a few posts from the top) but then I decided to forget about it because everyone here is to illogical to understand reason. I'd just get shot down anyway.
So, I'll leave you all with your "official" advantages and modifications to the game... even if you don't want to go about considering them to be.... and then be on my way.
I don't even have Renegade installed at the moment... so I don't see the need for me to even make this post. Ahh, well.
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This is honestly one of the dumbest things i've ever seen. The reason you won't post your "essay" is because you don't have a valid argument
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440795 is a reply to message #440744] |
Sat, 04 December 2010 22:56 |
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R315r4z0r
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Trust me, it was like 600 words long.
But it was all flame bait. Valid argument or not. I don't feel like dealing with it. That's why I ended up not posting it.
The reason I made a post at all was because I spent so long writing it up and then just went and scrapped it. I didn't want to totally waste my time... so I said something.
But in hind site, it was kind of stupid.
If a mod is reading this, delete my last post as well as this one, por favor.
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440797 is a reply to message #440778] |
Sun, 05 December 2010 00:41 |
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| Generalcamo wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 23:38 |
OK, but why censoring? Why not just put a disclaimer saying WARNING: If you download the HUDS listed on this site, renegadeforums.com and me are not responsible if you get banned.?
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Same reason as why we don't just censor final renegade. Cheat == cheat == cheat
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440799 is a reply to message #440744] |
Sun, 05 December 2010 04:05 |
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Plus the source code to building bars opens quite a few doors to other cheats with only a few simple modifications. Be careful what you wish for.
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440809 is a reply to message #440744] |
Sun, 05 December 2010 07:35 |
Generalcamo
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I looked some more on <mod edit>, and found that RSF HUD, which many servers allow, has source code, but the good news is only registered members can see that link.
But still, should we censor websites that have a WHOLE LOT of useful information, for something that is usually dealt with/allowed? I don't mean a link to a website to just those, but still.
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #440814 is a reply to message #440744] |
Sun, 05 December 2010 08:46 |
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Goztow
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I'm not sure if you check that other cheat site regularly but the owner of the site you just mentioned is releasing stuff on there as well. That should make you think twice.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: How are building bars, cheats? [message #441184 is a reply to message #440744] |
Thu, 09 December 2010 00:59 |
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Goztow
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The drop in player count is obviously due to us considering BB as cheats. Rumour has it a lot of cheaters stopped playing when BIATCH was released as well.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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