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Re: How did this happen? [message #440428 is a reply to message #440394] Tue, 30 November 2010 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Tue, 30 November 2010 09:30

Ethenal wrote on Tue, 30 November 2010 03:32

jonwil wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 19:07

I can assure you I did NOT give Trooprm02 this code.
What happened is that at some point, I uploaded a file (containing a really old code dump of 4.0) to a server that was not as secure as I assumed it was. Once I found out that the file wasnt secure, I immediately removed it. Until this leak happened, I was unaware that anyone outside of TT even HAD the source code.

I for one do not intend to let this stop 4.0. After all, Valve had a major leak of the source code to Half-Life 2 and that went on to be a smash hit and one of the most popular FPS games of all time.

We are most definatly not "fucked". The code dump was old and did not contain most of the anti-cheat.


Just to clarify, I read through one of the chat logs, found a url, took the file off, and voila - directory listing. It was infact the one you're talking about. Just throwing it out there to back up the point it was a simple mistake that was very easy to find.

(Although at that point it just had a build of scripts 4.0 in there, not any source code)

You are right. It was a really stupid mistake to make. Unfortunately we can't change that right now, the only thing we can and will do is make sure that it doesn't happen again.

Hypnos wrote on Tue, 30 November 2010 06:45

If anything, this is speeding up a release because they just announced some public testing to be done this weekend...

Not really, it may speed up a release, but still sets us back on the coding work ahead of us. We know TT is pretty stable, but it does still contain errors. Look at it as a diamond which is in cutting. While it may look pretty good, it's not yet done. Now we will probably have a lot more coding stuff to do, to protect servers from crashing (and perhaps more AC measures).


Despite it being a set back, it gives the community an insight into what is actually left, and gives some meaning to the statistics we've been hit with for a long period of time. Yes, it's inconvenient, and yes, it may contain some errors, but isn't that the point of either acquiring an independent test group, or releasing a public beta so people can report feedback on any bugs they may find?


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Caveman wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 08:26

Well this topic is still going on. I have to say I haven't watched much Anime recently (maybe a year or so) the last thing I saw was GITS (for the third time)

Im not too sure whether I just dont enjoy Anime anymore or whether its just I dont have time really to shit and watch it.






Re: How did this happen? [message #440448 is a reply to message #440237] Tue, 30 November 2010 14:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rofl troop's posts on that other forum that shall not be named are dripping with so much nerdy desperation and sadness. troop is such a weird guy, is he actually 30 years old?

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Re: How did this happen? [message #440449 is a reply to message #440237] Tue, 30 November 2010 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: How did this happen? [message #440469 is a reply to message #440449] Tue, 30 November 2010 19:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: How did this happen? [message #440472 is a reply to message #440428] Tue, 30 November 2010 19:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We are working as hard as possible on getting a usable client test build and will be releasing one as soon as we have something releasable.

This leak has in no way set back the work on that client build and no changes need to be made as a result of this leak. Any new cheats or hacks that appear (including those that appear as a result of the leaked code) will be fixed/blocked by TT.

We will be very proactive in shutting down cheaters and bad guys.


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Re: How did this happen? [message #440473 is a reply to message #440472] Tue, 30 November 2010 20:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jonwil wrote on Wed, 01 December 2010 03:39

We are working as hard as possible on getting a usable client test build and will be releasing one as soon as we have something releasable.

This leak has in no way set back the work on that client build and no changes need to be made as a result of this leak. Any new cheats or hacks that appear (including those that appear as a result of the leaked code) will be fixed/blocked by TT.

We will be very proactive in shutting down cheaters and bad guys.



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Re: How did this happen? [message #440481 is a reply to message #440237] Wed, 01 December 2010 00:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pro tip: try to lock your source code away Razz.

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Re: How did this happen? [message #440484 is a reply to message #440237] Wed, 01 December 2010 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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don't leave anything on a ftp they are not secure. Use sftp instead of ftp. Dont leave important files on a website. SSH connection with key pairs to make sure lol

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Re: How did this happen? [message #440486 is a reply to message #440237] Wed, 01 December 2010 01:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: How did this happen? [message #440487 is a reply to message #440237] Wed, 01 December 2010 01:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Our SVN and wiki are secured well. Ironically, this happened because of a prior leak from a former team member (jnz/roshambo) and the leaked files were the ones that troopn00b got a hold of.

I think it's safe to say he will be more careful in the future.


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Re: How did this happen? [message #440518 is a reply to message #440487] Wed, 01 December 2010 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Wed, 01 December 2010 01:08

Our SVN and wiki are secured well. Ironically, this happened because of a prior leak from a former team member (jnz/roshambo) and the leaked files were the ones that troopn00b got a hold of.

I think it's safe to say he will be more careful in the future.

Yeah the wiki is just 1000 years out of date.


Re: How did this happen? [message #440531 is a reply to message #440237] Wed, 01 December 2010 10:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Know what else is over, Johndoe? Your spamming!

On topic, please.



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Re: How did this happen? [message #440535 is a reply to message #440487] Wed, 01 December 2010 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Wed, 01 December 2010 08:08

Our SVN and wiki are secured well. Ironically, this happened because of a prior leak from a former team member (jnz/roshambo) and the leaked files were the ones that troopn00b got a hold of.

I think it's safe to say he will be more careful in the future.




Sounds like passing on the blame tbh, jnz DID NOT leak the source to me and I was good enough to contact TT about the leak and give jonwil the source, jonwil is to blame for the leak because he should have known better than upload something like the to publicly accessible site and not even check if it was secure or not.


goztow wrote on Tue, 11 May 2010 08:00

If we had to ban all who ever cheated or ever created a cheat (obj3cts and such) then I don't think there would be many members left here (sad fact).


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Re: How did this happen? [message #440545 is a reply to message #440518] Wed, 01 December 2010 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not talking about RenegadeWiki.com... which died because I had to lock it down to prevent losers with 8 hours a day to upload pornographic images and deface pages.

Hex - I don't know the whole story about the leak but I wasn't blaming you for it.


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Re: How did this happen? [message #440566 is a reply to message #440545] Wed, 01 December 2010 18:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Wed, 01 December 2010 14:24

I'm not talking about RenegadeWiki.com... which died because I had to lock it down to prevent losers with 8 hours a day to upload pornographic images and deface pages.

Hex - I don't know the whole story about the leak but I wasn't blaming you for it.


He knows your not blaming him. Hes trying to tell you jnz is not to blame. I believe that too. The source should have been locked down better thats all, it was a mistake. Time to get over it and move forward since there are really no devastating repercussions.


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Re: How did this happen? [message #440569 is a reply to message #440535] Wed, 01 December 2010 18:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hex wrote on Wed, 01 December 2010 19:02

Crimson wrote on Wed, 01 December 2010 08:08

Our SVN and wiki are secured well. Ironically, this happened because of a prior leak from a former team member (jnz/roshambo) and the leaked files were the ones that troopn00b got a hold of.

I think it's safe to say he will be more careful in the future.




Sounds like passing on the blame tbh, jnz DID NOT leak the source to me and I was good enough to contact TT about the leak and give jonwil the source, jonwil is to blame for the leak because he should have known better than upload something like the to publicly accessible site and not even check if it was secure or not.

While jnz is not to blame for this leak, he is the cause of the problems we have atm. But as said cause and blame are not necessarily connected. It just means that IF it weren't leaked at that time, it wouldn't have been on JW's webserver and thus Asshat couldn't have downloaded it. Which in the end would've ment that it wouldn't have been all over the net by now.

Of oucrse, the only one REALLY to blame in this matter is Asshat or as others know him Trooprm...


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Re: How did this happen? [message #440574 is a reply to message #440237] Wed, 01 December 2010 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Has anyone else read his posts on that other forum with no name? He sounds like he's actually heartbroken and wants others to feel his pain. One would think that this is just his big troll moment but for a guy with a clan, numerous boring youtube videos about renegade, and years of playing renegade seriously, it seems like he's really snapped.

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Re: How did this happen? [message #440577 is a reply to message #440574] Wed, 01 December 2010 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rocko wrote on Thu, 02 December 2010 03:10

Has anyone else read his posts on that other forum with no name? He sounds like he's actually heartbroken and wants others to feel his pain. One would think that this is just his big troll moment but for a guy with a clan, numerous boring youtube videos about renegade, and years of playing renegade seriously, it seems like he's really snapped.

Well I guess that's a pity. The reason however why I don't feel pity for him is that he has always been acting like an ass. After Crimson unbanned him, he was OK-ish for a while, but as soon as he didn't get what he wanted he started to troll again.
If people want to change then I don't mind giving people a second chance, but if you fuck it up then that is your own and only your own fault. There was no reason for him to troll the forums of to try bending the forum rules over something he knew was forbidden.


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Re: How did this happen? [message #440587 is a reply to message #440237] Wed, 01 December 2010 22:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm blindsided by this. What prompted troop to do this? Was he provoked?


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cmatt42 wrote on Thu, 02 December 2010 06:15


I'm blindsided by this. What prompted troop to do this? Was he provoked?

Did he ever need reasons to act like an idiot?


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cmatt42 wrote on Thu, 02 December 2010 06:15

Streisand Effect

I'm blindsided by this. What prompted troop to do this? Was he provoked?

Depends? Is being banned from a forum for posting what is, according to the forum rules, a cheat provocation? I would call it stupidity, particularly if you've been banned before for a long period of time.


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Re: How did this happen? [message #440600 is a reply to message #440237] Thu, 02 December 2010 06:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Neither of you answered my question.

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if your question is did anyone wrong him? not that i'm aware of.
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Re: How did this happen? [message #440604 is a reply to message #440600] Thu, 02 December 2010 07:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cmatt42 wrote on Thu, 02 December 2010 13:31

Neither of you answered my question.


No one in any official capacity provoked him (AFAIK), however, he may have construed being banned as provocation, as EWD pointed out.


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CarrierII wrote on Thu, 02 December 2010 15:05

cmatt42 wrote on Thu, 02 December 2010 13:31

Neither of you answered my question.


No one in any official capacity provoked him (AFAIK), however, he may have construed being banned as provocation, as EWD pointed out.

That's the only reason I can think off, besides him just being mentally ill or anything :/


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