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Mon, 29 November 2010 13:18   |
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Prulez
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| Hypnos wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 21:02 |
@Prulez:- I take it you're referring to the capability to scan for the likes of Big Bodies, Big Heads, RGH, etc?
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Yes, I've seen logs of the data folder being scanned for models.
As for Whiskey:
"As far as I am concerned this can only be executed from the server, and thus only by server owners, people with access to the FDS or with a bot that allows people to execute that command. Yes, it is a loophole, and quite a big one too, but I deem the chance slim that this would have been abused in the past. Also, as far as I know, you can only check the files in place; not actually read them. That is, only if you have access to the command."
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Every so often, I get this positive feeling that humanity can somehow, possibly attain pure awesomeness, and enlightenment, and that there is light at the end of the road for us all. However, I only need to go to the latest HUD thread at RenForums to remind me of how dumb I was for thinking such stupid things.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440289 is a reply to message #440237] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 13:57 |
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The fact that it has the capability to scan your hard drive at all - that means the loophole is there and CAN be abused. Troop mentioned using a 'private' brenbot plugin with it, and Hypno's said a server owner used it to bring up private message logs... Now whats true and whats not, who knows. But if it can 'see' the files', it can essencially read them. It can probably be written into brenbot as a plugin, if it hasn't been already.
No matter the case, if that loophole exists, what else does in this 3rd party software that all of us Renegade players are using.
EA isn't going to be happy about their netcode being leaked either.
Old School Renny
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440293 is a reply to message #440289] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 14:09 |
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| GoTWhisKéY wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 21:57 |
The fact that it has the capability to scan your hard drive at all - that means the loophole is there and CAN be abused. Troop mentioned using a 'private' brenbot plugin with it, and Hypno's said a server owner used it to bring up private message logs... Now whats true and whats not, who knows. But if it can 'see' the files', it can essencially read them. It can probably be written into brenbot as a plugin, if it hasn't been already.
No matter the case, if that loophole exists, what else does in this 3rd party software that all of us Renegade players are using.
EA isn't going to be happy about their netcode being leaked either.
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The scan code should indeed be limited to the Renegade dir only, if we decide to keep it in place.
The source code from EA was AFAIK not about the netcode, but that is probably of little relevance. They will not like it anyways.
The netcode bits are highly annoying as it could make servers rather vulnerable for crashes.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440297 is a reply to message #440237] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 14:27 |
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Ugh people keep speculating and making up shit. Reading logs using MAPCH? Who ever said that is full of shit and is just making up things.
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<Xpert> MAPCH is harmless
<Xpert> It doesn't support wildcard. You can look for any filepath yes, but not wildcard for a specific file.
<Xpert> The only useful thing about it is probably checking if the user has big bodies files.
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So in short, if I wanted to look for someone's rgh.exe file on their computer, I would need to know the EXACT file path it's in for me to know if the user has it or not. There's no wildcard, so therefore it's impossible to pinpoint a file name without knowing where the file is.
So stop worrying that we're looking through your whole C drive or whatever.
And as far as this goes, I think it only works for your renegade folder.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440298 is a reply to message #440297] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 14:30 |
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So troops's actions are very damaging. Will it really kill the game? I am trying to be optimistic.
What's the damage control on this thing? How many months before any new strains of cheats?
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440302 is a reply to message #440298] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 14:36 |
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| Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 16:30 |
So troops's actions are very damaging.
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Somewhat.
| Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 16:30 |
Will it really kill the game?
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No.
| Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 16:30 |
I am trying to be optimistic.
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Good, stay that way.
| Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 16:30 |
What's the damage control on this thing? How many months before any new strains of cheats?
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It's not that bad really, from what I've seen really. Also, anyone with 4.0, it automatically triggers [BIATCH]'s netcode hack detection because of the different netcode in 4.0 being different. Ya people probably got a sneak peak at what TT looks like, but there's no anti-cheat in there or anything important. And from the logs, looks like this code is over 6 months old. The binaries are recent but not the code.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440310 is a reply to message #440237] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 14:54 |
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Indeed i have been using mapch for years to check for object files and other sensitive files that can be used as cheats. mapch is harmless you have to know the exact filename and you cant access any of files only check if the client has the file.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440326 is a reply to message #440237] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 15:35 |
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who banned him in the first place? I know the reason but come on... when you know someone has all your code...damn you think twice before banning him...
If the result is: This game is fucked, then I change of engine for Reborn. All the graphical stuff is done for now and I know a mod that will be ready for our stuff (RenX).
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440331 is a reply to message #440328] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 16:09 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 16:53 |
| Renardin6 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 23:35 |
who banned him in the first place? I know the reason but come on... when you know someone has all your code...damn you think twice before banning him...
If the result is: This game is fucked, then I change of engine for Reborn. All the graphical stuff is done for now and I know a mod that will be ready for our stuff (RenX).
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Troop shouldn't have had the code. It was due to Troop's asshattery and Jonwil's error of leaving a previous leak on an open webdir, that Troop could get the code.
Yes errors have been made, but banning troop is not one of them.
Oh and please move your mod over to RenX, saves JW a lot of time.
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Troop had the code long before this. Why give code out to beta testers.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440333 is a reply to message #440328] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 16:15 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 23:53 |
Oh and please move your mod over to RenX, saves JW a lot of time.
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With such answer, I begin to understand why you get your stuff leaked. What a pity.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440334 is a reply to message #440331] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 16:16 |
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| Gen_Blacky wrote on Tue, 30 November 2010 00:09 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 16:53 |
| Renardin6 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 23:35 |
who banned him in the first place? I know the reason but come on... when you know someone has all your code...damn you think twice before banning him...
If the result is: This game is fucked, then I change of engine for Reborn. All the graphical stuff is done for now and I know a mod that will be ready for our stuff (RenX).
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Troop shouldn't have had the code. It was due to Troop's asshattery and Jonwil's error of leaving a previous leak on an open webdir, that Troop could get the code.
Yes errors have been made, but banning troop is not one of them.
Oh and please move your mod over to RenX, saves JW a lot of time.
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Troop had the code long before this. Why give code out to beta testers.
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We don't, AND FUCK YOU IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ MY POSTS.
As said, at some point it was on a open webdir (because of a leak related to Hex/Jnz). In that time Troop apparently found it and stored it so he could use it to show the world what kind of FUCKTARD he actually is at a later time.
Also, if you knew he had the code, why didn't you warn us about it? Would've been nice to actually get support from the community for once.
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440338 is a reply to message #440334] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 16:24 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 17:16 |
| Gen_Blacky wrote on Tue, 30 November 2010 00:09 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 16:53 |
| Renardin6 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 23:35 |
who banned him in the first place? I know the reason but come on... when you know someone has all your code...damn you think twice before banning him...
If the result is: This game is fucked, then I change of engine for Reborn. All the graphical stuff is done for now and I know a mod that will be ready for our stuff (RenX).
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Troop shouldn't have had the code. It was due to Troop's asshattery and Jonwil's error of leaving a previous leak on an open webdir, that Troop could get the code.
Yes errors have been made, but banning troop is not one of them.
Oh and please move your mod over to RenX, saves JW a lot of time.
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Troop had the code long before this. Why give code out to beta testers.
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We don't, AND FUCK YOU IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ MY POSTS.
As said, at some point it was on a open webdir (because of a leak related to Hex/Jnz). In that time Troop apparently found it and stored it so he could use it to show the world what kind of FUCKTARD he actually is at a later time.
Also, if you knew he had the code, why didn't you warn us about it? Would've been nice to actually get support from the community for once.
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"Also, if you knew he had the code, why didn't you warn us about it? Would've been nice to actually get support from the community for once." because jonwill gave it to him i can be completely wrong just what i heard from troop himself.
Read my server owner post
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440347 is a reply to message #440237] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 18:07 |
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I can assure you I did NOT give Trooprm02 this code.
What happened is that at some point, I uploaded a file (containing a really old code dump of 4.0) to a server that was not as secure as I assumed it was. Once I found out that the file wasnt secure, I immediately removed it. Until this leak happened, I was unaware that anyone outside of TT even HAD the source code.
I for one do not intend to let this stop 4.0. After all, Valve had a major leak of the source code to Half-Life 2 and that went on to be a smash hit and one of the most popular FPS games of all time.
We are most definatly not "fucked". The code dump was old and did not contain most of the anti-cheat.
Jonathan Wilson aka Jonwil
Creator and Lead Coder of the Custom scripts.dll
Renegade Engine Guru
Creator and Lead Coder of TT.DLL
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440355 is a reply to message #440347] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 19:32 |
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| jonwil wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 19:07 |
I can assure you I did NOT give Trooprm02 this code.
What happened is that at some point, I uploaded a file (containing a really old code dump of 4.0) to a server that was not as secure as I assumed it was. Once I found out that the file wasnt secure, I immediately removed it. Until this leak happened, I was unaware that anyone outside of TT even HAD the source code.
I for one do not intend to let this stop 4.0. After all, Valve had a major leak of the source code to Half-Life 2 and that went on to be a smash hit and one of the most popular FPS games of all time.
We are most definatly not "fucked". The code dump was old and did not contain most of the anti-cheat.
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Just to clarify, I read through one of the chat logs, found a url, took the file off, and voila - directory listing. It was infact the one you're talking about. Just throwing it out there to back up the point it was a simple mistake that was very easy to find.
(Although at that point it just had a build of scripts 4.0 in there, not any source code)
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade 
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| Re: How did this happen? [message #440356 is a reply to message #440237] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 19:35 |
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And FYI, even the scripts build has been removed (along with anything else sensitive)
Jonathan Wilson aka Jonwil
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