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Sun, 28 November 2010 21:52  |
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Starbuzzz
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What is the point of touting "human rights" when the concept itself is poorly defined?
Today in a miserably wretched day for me, I have come to the firm conclusion that the concept of "human rights" is in URGENT need of a honest redefinition. And the change should start in Western countries who are best positioned to "make the point." Delaying it is only causing untold sorrow and deep misery to millions of oppressed peoples.
Let me go straight to the point; the "mind" of a human being must be recognized and protected. We live in a world where even the basic freedom of speech is not guaranteed in China, for example. So it might be too early to push this concept I really want to be made into law. But I think certain countries are in a prime position to do so and they should.
Every human being has the right to his own freedom of reason and conscience. That means NO OTHER SON OF A BITCH GOAT should have any power whatsoever to control said individual in any way "mentally."
Just as there is a 911 emergency number for physical emergencies where government steps in, there should, and it is high time to have a 911 emergency number when a offending human being intrudes into the mind of another human. Why? Because humans are fallible and will continue to cause mental misery to others unless there is a governing force acting upon them. This is not a call to more government but the situation of not having so have made life miserable for millions.
Just as there is a age prerequisite for many activities (drinking, smoking, joing the army etc) there should be a age after which the individual's mind is automatically protected by a formidable law that punsishes any offender to kingdom come.
Don't mistake this for any anti-bullying laws. Nor should this be intrepreted it as a remedy for cases such as "he made me feel bad." This is perhaps more defined.
A realistic example: adult children being controlled/terrorized by their parents in important issues such as beliefs. This is where the mind of the powerless individual is raped over and over and sources of solid help is scattered and hard to find.
This happens far too often than anyone allows themselves to think. Even in western countries.
We have governments for a reason. It strikes me as a plain injustice and that in 2010, these miserable practices of mind rape countinues. This madness must be stopped.
dang, I really have to go as it is late. I will check back tommorrow.
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I know this opinion sounds rather prematurely formed and some of you may laugh at it but writing all this down feels like I got rid of a huge weight off my chest. No human being should feel this way, it is wrong. It is a universal absolute evil. Yes, EVIL. WICKEDNESS. Yes.
gd nite.
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| Re: "Human rights" concept in URGENT need of refinement and redefinition [message #440230 is a reply to message #440226] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 05:12  |
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GEORGE ZIMMER
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 04:12 |
well said.
the concept of hell, in particular, has got to be confronted head on tbh.
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or at least, made so it's no longer an excuse to make something illegal...
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| Re: "Human rights" concept in URGENT need of refinement and redefinition [message #440236 is a reply to message #440188] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 09:56 |
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R315r4z0r
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I think I understand your point, but I don't think you said it very clearly. You sound like you want a government operated emo-hotline that you can call whenever your feelings get hurt.
To be honest, I don't agree with more government regulation. The reason why the government is there is to first and foremost give the masses a voice and secondly, allow a country to function in the presence of the rest of the world.
The government shouldn't be a councling office for the feelings of the people. The people control the government, not the other way around.
People elect politicians to represent them, not control them. They might have power to move the country, but they don't have the power (or authority) to tell you what you should to be doing.
One thing that I really don't like at the moment is the TSA that is regulating passengers on flights. I can understand wanting to protect citizens from hijackings and mid-air violence... but at what expense? They are already stripping many rights from people just to enter the airport! It is their job to protect us from harm, but not at the expense of constatutional and human rights! So what if it makes their job easier? That is none of our concern. And, to top it all off, there has been statistically no change in attempts at violence in planes from now since PRIOR to 9/11! That means all their regulations and safty procedures have been for nothing!
But that is all besides the point.
If I'm to understand you correctly, you think there should be some number you can call that you can use to ask questions about the way you are treated? Basically, if you think you're rights are being violated some way, you can call and explain the situation to someone who would then either confirm or deny your suspitions?
While something like that would be hard to manage, it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea. If you think your rights are bring violated and it turns out they are, you then have leverage to act on it leagally. However, this should NOT be run by the government. It should have legal leverage, but it should be a public organization. We can't rely on the government to do every important thing in the country. People need to learn to work with eachother to get their problems sorted out rather than crying to the government about how someone called you a poopyhead.
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| Re: "Human rights" concept in URGENT need of refinement and redefinition [message #440251 is a reply to message #440188] |
Mon, 29 November 2010 11:26 |
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If you are over the age of 18 you could seek a restraining order. Along with the option to sue for mental anguish.
If you are under the age of 18 you can seek out the local Children Services department and make a case of Mental abuse.
There are already options available. Are they easy? no. Are they pleasant? no. However they are there to protect people from abuse of all forms.
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| Re: "Human rights" concept in URGENT need of refinement and redefinition [message #440662 is a reply to message #440251] |
Thu, 02 December 2010 17:28 |
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Starbuzzz
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@ R3: emo-hotline? councling office? pretty clear you haven't read the post.
Anyway, so the 911 number idea was just something I desperately cooked up as my mood was really shot on sunday.
| Altzan wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 00:09 |
I agree with your statement... was there a specific event that triggered this from you, or just some reflection? I hope it isn't getting you down too much.
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It's really difficult to play a double game as a christian/atheist. No human deserves to live like this; you have to play along? You have to say the "right thing" and watchout for slipups and most of the time, you are just keeping silent while your mind roars to roam free without outside control. It's worse than a bullet to the head imo.
It's very clear the instructions of Jesus, ie, if anyone rejects him, he tells his disciples to shake the dust off their feet and leave. Of course, the twats that are aorund these days have completely forgotten that direct order and instead feel the need to play a power-trip game of forcefully mind controlling everyone around them.
It was the worse day of the year so far. If I can see myself, I absolutely do not deserve to be trapped with these idiots.
anyway, I tried to be positive and did realize that something good came out of it; I realized this long before this happened of course but this incident just solidified it: the importance of secular democracies. Before this I wouldn't have cared much as long as people left me alone. But nobody should have to undergo this no matter what they believe in. Nobody, nomatter what their beliefs, should have their minds intruded and raped and forced this way. Belief-related issues can/should be debated in mutually open forums, meetings,and conferences and what not but not willfully forced upon like is being done to me.
| Spoony wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 04:12 |
well said.
the concept of hell, in particular, has got to be confronted head on tbh.
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People say all kinds of things about "god's love" and "his mercy" and so on. Deep within, almost not realizing it, is the concept of hell. One of the most foolproof (but not quiet it seems) insurance against rebellion.
| kadoosh wrote on Mon, 29 November 2010 12:26 |
If you are over the age of 18 you could seek a restraining order. Along with the option to sue for mental anguish.
There are already options available. Are they easy? no. Are they pleasant? no. However they are there to protect people from abuse of all forms.
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Thanks for that. I looked into it seriously. I didn't know these procedures in detail.
Only problem is that I am immigrant and my papers are still being processed. So these options may not be in my best interests. I will see what is possible though. Anyway, I actually want to be left alone. In fact I am at a point that even if I was locked up, I wouldn't care because it wouldn't matter cos nobody would be able to intrude into my mind atleast. Even if it was a cell, my mind would be trillions of lightyears elsewhere. I just want to be left alone with me and my thoughts without anyone telling me what to think.
It was unfair of me to demand a 911 emergency number I think. Maybe this is only a problem with older immigrants. See, the children of immigrants (I am a fine example) are told by Americans that they have all the freedom they can dream and get a hold of, BUT, the rotten brained backward-thinking corpses of their parents are not so ready to give such freedoms to their children. Sure, there are exceptions but the majority of them are zealots who develop a inferiority complex when they taste the American way of life. Sometimes, it becomes a superiority complex.
So this inferiority complex quickly (as exepected) evolves into a protectionist mentality and these poor insecure shits become silent tyrants...against their own children. And when you mix in religious fanaticism, these people truly become dangerous and their children (those unlucky enough to see thru their bullshit) lead miserable lives.
I just hope, and this is what I was getting at, that one day, that these kinds of mental abuses would gather greater attention and it will sink into the main conscience of the peoples in the future generations. So this way, there will be really be no need of a 911 emergency number because the problem would take care of itself.
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| Re: "Human rights" concept in URGENT need of refinement and redefinition [message #441157 is a reply to message #440188] |
Wed, 08 December 2010 18:06 |
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I think we need the people them self to realize this instead of governments.
If governments can do things like this: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/01/wikileaks-and-the-el.html
Then I think we first need to redefine our (western!) governments. We can point the finger at China, Russia, North-Korea, Iran and a lot of other countries, but if we, who claim to live in a free place, cannot prevent ourself from doing other people harm, how are we going to prevent these "small" mishaps by man?
Of course these small mishaps are bad enough already, but I think there are much more worryingly things happening currently, by governments and perhaps large corporations.
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