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please visit this website and sign up. It is a petition to persuade EA to make Renegade open source. If you would like more info please reply to this thread, and ill sure pick it up.


P.S. Theres no harm in siging the petition, even if you think it won't work.... You don't even have to use proper info, if you want.


Cheers, Comp.

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Comp_uter15776 wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 16:35

please visit <a href="http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/RENEGADE" target="_blank"></a> and sign up. It is a petition to persuade EA to make Renegade open source. If you would like more info please reply to this thread, and ill sure pick it up.


P.S. Theres no harm in siging the petition, even if you think it won't work.... You don't even have to use proper info, if you want.


Cheers, Comp.


Open sourcing Renegade would actually make things worse, also, you kind of... forgot to link to the website.

Edit: I fixed your link for you.


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Also it will never happen.

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Gen_Blacky wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 17:11

Also it will never happen.

Agreed. No online petition works.


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Well i used your link button, so obviously your links are screwed Mad

And anyway, i have another option alternatively: I get the code and then pass it to the gaming communities, to minimise cheating etc.


But, open sourcing it would not make it worse, as communities can upgrade the code, and sort it all out, like removing some bugs etc. A few communities are behind me, including: my own Comp_uter Gaming, Cloud Gaming, St0rm Gaming, Black Widow/LG-Gaming, and im going to post a link to jelly and n00bless, as well as a few others maybe.


Oh and i have already contacted EA, about 3 days ago. They replied saying they are considering it, and i have swung them to a more "yes" than a "no".


And like i said, even if you don't believe in it, there is no harm in signing it?


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The only people I feel who are remotely competent enough to have their hands on an open source Renegade would be the TT development team- not the TESTERS or ANYONE else, really.

The reason being: It opens a MAJOR hole for cheaters.


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GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 20:16

The only people I feel who are remotely competent enough to have their hands on an open source Renegade would be the TT development team- not the TESTERS or ANYONE else, really.

The reason being: It opens a MAJOR hole for cheaters.

This.


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Not one single person in this community is worthy of receiving the source code for this game.

It would be the end of Renegade as we know it.

The level of cheats that could be made is such an obvious point that I don't even think I have to mention it. But that's not even the worst of it.

Everything in the game would be transformed. People would make something and believe that they have the best idea. Everything would differ from everyone else causing players to have to decide which version of the game they want to play.

It would alienate new players and split the existing players and overall just lessen the player count until there are maybe a maximum of 10-15 players total playing this game.. ever.

Bad idea.

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R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 14:30

[color=crimson]Not one single person in this community is worthy of receiving the source code for this game.



You're wrong.



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Comp_uter15776 wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 19:39

Well i used your link button, so obviously your links are screwed Mad

And anyway, i have another option alternatively: I get the code and then pass it to the gaming communities, to minimise cheating etc.


But, open sourcing it would not make it worse, as communities can upgrade the code, and sort it all out, like removing some bugs etc. A few communities are behind me, including: my own Comp_uter Gaming, Cloud Gaming, St0rm Gaming, Black Widow/LG-Gaming, and im going to post a link to jelly and n00bless, as well as a few others maybe.


Oh and i have already contacted EA, about 3 days ago. They replied saying they are considering it, and i have swung them to a more "yes" than a "no".


And like i said, even if you don't believe in it, there is no harm in signing it?




Lol, if even TT can't get it done, you think you can? Trust me, it's a waste of time. Also, making Renegade completely open source would show cheaters probably about 23429075 more holes which they can exploit. Renegade has more holes than a mafia boss after a proper drive-by.

Oh, and you know the TT team has actually the larger communities behind it?

Edit:
And I forgot about the legal issues with MILES and HAVOC engines. Perhaps even more, but I'm pretty sure Renegade uses these and they're "pretty" expensive.


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reborn wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 14:40

R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 14:30

[color=crimson]Not one single person in this community is worthy of receiving the source code for this game.



You're wrong.



How am I wrong?

If one person handles the software 'the right way' then it still has the adverse effects that I described.

Therefore there is no 'right way' of handling it and therefore there is no one fit to do so.

I don't want bug fixes and features and all that crap because all it will do, contrary to common opinion, is lower the player count of the game and effectively kill the game off completely.

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I deserve the source code tbh.

Then i can sit there, think "wtf?" then never look or use it ever again.


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Re: IMPORTANT! [message #439085 is a reply to message #439083] Mon, 08 November 2010 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 20:46

reborn wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 14:40

R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 14:30

[color=crimson]Not one single person in this community is worthy of receiving the source code for this game.



You're wrong.



How am I wrong?

If one person handles the software 'the right way' then it still has the adverse effects that I described.

Therefore there is no 'right way' of handling it and therefore there is no one fit to do so.


Personally the TT team would be pretty much able to handle it, as with TT we only intend to fix bugs and not to change gameplay.


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I would say give TT source code... if it meant that we would wait another 2+ years for this shit...
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Comp_uter15776 wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 13:39

And anyway, i have another option alternatively: I get the code and then pass it to the gaming communities, to minimise cheating etc.

Because you have the complete trust and confidence of the greater Renegade community...
Besides... If it's going to be privately passed around that's not very open-source now is it?

Comp_uter15776 wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 13:39

A few communities are behind me, including: my own Comp_uter Gaming, Cloud Gaming, St0rm Gaming, Black Widow/LG-Gaming, and im going to post a link to jelly and n00bless, as well as a few others maybe.

Everyone who has the skill, trust and time to improve Renegade is probably already in the TT dev team, I'd assume.

Comp_uter15776 wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 13:39

Oh and i have already contacted EA, about 3 days ago. They replied saying they are considering it, and i have swung them to a more "yes" than a "no".

lol. This is just management saying "no, but we don't want to hurt your feelings" imo.

Comp_uter15776 wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 13:39

And like i said, even if you don't believe in it, there is no harm in signing it?

Unless we're against open-sourcing it.

R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 14:30

Everything in the game would be transformed. People would make something and believe that they have the best idea. Everything would differ from everyone else causing players to have to decide which version of the game they want to play.

It would alienate new players and split the existing players and overall just lessen the player count until there are maybe a maximum of 10-15 players total playing this game.. ever.

Bad idea.


You mean like Reborn, APB and the others I can't remember? Not to mention Renegade-X too. Choice is good imo.
The vast majority of players never look beyond the stock gameplay anyways.

EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 14:50

Personally the TT team would be pretty much able to handle it, as with TT we only intend to fix bugs and not to change gameplay.

I agree with you that the TT team is very much capable, however, imo I think there's too much politics involved. Just look at the huge debates still going on about the pointsfix, the ladder, what files to (dis)allow in reference to what's considered "cheats" vs common modifications (like custom huds or skins), etc.
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- Pointfix is optional.
- The ladder is a project that was started way before TT, and is not directly related to the technical staff. I'm pretty sure it won't be implemented in 4.0.
- What files are allowed is configurable by the server owner so this is not debated.


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With some exceptions, the game is fine the way it is. We don't need to change it.

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I'd say it would be awesome to see/have the Renegade source.
Sadly as others already stated; cheats and cheaters.

I won't sign the petition on yes or no as both sides are my choice due to the above.

I do wonder what will happen if
Quote:

They replied saying they are considering it, and i have swung them to a more "yes" than a "no".

is really true.. I'm a bit afraid they just wanted to get this over with asap Sad


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R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 14:30

Everything in the game would be transformed. People would make something and believe that they have the best idea. Everything would differ from everyone else causing players to have to decide which version of the game they want to play.

It would alienate new players and split the existing players and overall just lessen the player count until there are maybe a maximum of 10-15 players total playing this game.. ever.

Bad idea.


You mean like Reborn, APB and the others I can't remember? Not to mention Renegade-X too. Choice is good imo.
The vast majority of players never look beyond the stock gameplay anyways.

No, not like them. Those are new ways to play the old game. I just want to play the old game.

I spent money on this game and I want to be able to play it the way it is. I don't want to have to download 5 different versions of the same game just so I can play on different servers.
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I would be all for the idea if there was a way to permanently stop all cheating first. Renegade already has enough hidden cheaters and banned players at is....it'd be a mods hell hole if Renegade were open-sourced.

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As was mentioned before, EA can NOT legally open-source Renegade because of licensing issues with third-party libraries. You do not want it open-sourced also, because it will expose the dozens of holes in the code and it will be the end of Renegade unless the holes can be patched faster than the players leave the game because of all the server crashing and cheating.

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Re: sign my petition to EA to open-source Renegade [message #439115 is a reply to message #439059] Tue, 09 November 2010 00:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here is an old petition that went no where. I signed this one a few years ago. http://www.petitiononline.com/0tu1waj8/petition.html

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R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 14:46

How am I wrong?


You said:

R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 08 November 2010 14:30

[color=crimson]Not one single person in this community is worthy of receiving the source code for this game.



This statement is incorrect, therefore you are wrong.



Re: sign my petition to EA to open-source Renegade [message #439133 is a reply to message #439059] Tue, 09 November 2010 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How bout sign a petition to release he source to john will not some noob hackers.... it would be a playing field for 0x09.

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I can tell you right now that open sourcing renegade to just anyone would kill the game dead.

The only people who should have the source code are those who would be trustworthy enough to use it for good and not evil.
People like Tiberan Technologies.

Also, I seriously doubt EA is actually going to consider open sourcing anything given all the 3rd party libraries that Renegade is using (which EA cant release)


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