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Re: BHS Ladder [message #438579 is a reply to message #438525] Fri, 29 October 2010 18:25 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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please don't lie, you're better than that. i listed every single person who expressed their opposition to the correct points system being used at clanwars.cc, and every single one of them - without exception - had a shitty track record in terms of fairplay and honesty. it was a rogue's gallery, remember?

i was under the assumption that there was a poll about using the pointmod in clanwars and that the vast majority said No, don't use it
you act as if this alliance of cheaters, liars, and rapists is that majority
clanwars at the time must have consisted of 15 or less players

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wanting to use my clan ladder on their own terms, without the slightest respect for the person who owns and runs it and wanting to make all the admin decisions themselves without having to do any of the actual work does not constitute "trusting" or "sticking by" me.

the only way in their eyes to have clanwars is the spoony way, but when the spoony way went against what they wanted they tried to get it changed
they might not show you respect but they respect what you've done enough to want to use it themselves

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why have i had to explain this so many times already? i said it over and over and over again at the time it was happening, is it so much to expect that you listen to what the person you're arguing with is saying?

it seems to me like you're blowing things they did out of proportion
we have different views on things, which is why i wanted you to summarize it for me so i could figure out what you mean
you won't so i can't be sure either way

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unless the players reported games illegally, as players like simpee and clearshot already had a history of doing...

you're the admin, you can nullify them
i'm saying you can shut it down until the servers are changed back

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i'm sure you'd be firmly on their side if i did.

why do you say that?

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again, euphemism. they're cheaters and compulsive liars.

you're cheaters and compulsive liars.

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and yet every single person who wanted a pointbugged ladder is AUTOMATICALLY much more "douchey" than i could ever be, because they can't be bothered hosting.

how many players from cw.cc actually know how to run a ladder? or make one? or think they could do a better job than you at it? troop doesn't count, he's mentally retarded

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as for "going against my playerbase", like i kept saying over and over and over again, the majority at clanwars.cc has a sad history of being catastrophically wrong a great deal of the time, so wrong that had their opinions been heeded there've been at least two occasions where it would've led to the complete shutdown of the entire league.

you cite the Soul example here, but how would letting a pointpusher play shut the league down?
what's the other occasion? it seems like you're exaggerating the events to me, and since i don't know what they were i can't say either way
clanwars.cc survived for a long time using the original points, and i don't think it would have shut down had you continued to use it (which would have pleased your playerbase, based on the numbers)

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again, i kept pointing this out to you at the time, and you seemed oddly unmoved by it.

because it sounds like shenanigans and bologna

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if it would make them happy how about one of them pull their fingers out and host one themselves instead of expecting me to accommdate their fucking ridiculous point bugs that they can't even logically explain?

i covered this

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yes it is a lie and i exposed it repeatedly the first time around. you kept saying i "wasn't listening" to these cheaters and pointpushers and compulsive liars. what a fucking stupid thing to say. one look at the clanwars forum disproves it; i went to extraordinary lengths to listen to these twats. furthermore, listening to them infuriates them. the thing above all that they seemed to despise about me was the fact i would always read what they said and replied to it, a courtesy i very rarely got in return.

i wasn't trying to lie about it
what i was trying to say all along is you did not side with the majority of your players
i apologize for saying "ignoring your player base" because in all honesty i meant the above
after watching you slap karmai and simpee and the others around in that topic perhaps none of the others wanted to voice their opinions
muffinjay said he thought renegade balances out with the original points and you tore him up too like he had insulted a family member
in his opinion maybe Westwood intended it - based on what we know i'd say he's wrong, but it's another perspective to look at
why, if in your eyes the majority wanted the pointmod on, did they vote No in that poll?

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don't say "listened to" when you mean "obeyed". and don't say "playerbase" when you mean "a small number of cheaters"

i was siding with the majority; this band of rapists and murderers and cheaters and liars just so happened to be a part of that majority
i also agreed with the legit and fair players that voted No to using the pointmod in clanwars that you've taken out of the equation
i find it hard to believe that all of cw.cc cheats and lies

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they were the only people publicly arguing against it in the debate thread that existed for that specific purpose.

so? they weren't the only ones that didn't want to play with the pointmod in clanwars
the majority did not want it - like i said i thought it was a douchey move on your part to go against what your playerbase wanted

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if that was the majority of the league i would've closed it a very long time ago.

so the majority wanted to use the pointmod and the only people that did not were simpee and his gang of bandits and terrorists

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would that be any kind of criticism if that were true? it's better than hosting it to satisfy the cheaters and pointpushers and compulsive liars you were so robustly defending

i was defending the fact that the majority of your league wanted something and you sided over them on it

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and in the dozens and dozens of posts and PMs you put forth on the subject, the one and only opinion you could bring yourself to express was the "you should listen to your playerbase" (or, as we've established, "you should obey these cheaters")

the cheaters, along with the majority of clanwars.cc that voted No to using the pointmod

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yes, you said that, but i don't think you understood either of its two implications. firstly that someone like e.g. simpee has absolutely nothing other than thanks owed to me, secondly the only kind of person who should be criticised for failing to host a pointbugged ladder is someone who wants one but can't be bothered hosting it (a long list of names which does not include Spoony)

the thinking is that there can't be clanwars without spoony
spoony does it right; he may be a douche but he does a good job
from the people i've spoken to over the years that's what i got from it
no one wants to go completely against you and try to do a better job than you
all they wanted was you to not change the way the game played out after everyone in clanwars knew and fully understood how it worked

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i know you were confused no matter how many times i explained it to you. firstly the majority at clanwars has a track record of bollock-brained stupidity, before we even get into the dishonesty. secondly clanwars decisions were being made by the appointed admins long before i had any power there. thirdly... i'll get to that in my next statement

i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, but i did think that changing renegade was a big deal

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thirdly, it was never established that the "majority" was against the pointsfix at all. remember? i listed every single person who argued against the pointsfix in the debate thread that was there for the purpose. every single name. it was something like 6 or 7.

i covered this

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it allowed me to expose simpee and clearshot for the compulsive-lying cheating little bitches that i've known they are for some time.

so what's the problem? people had beef with you, you let them lay it out and then you cooked and ate said beef
then you took a beefy shit on them

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but it's a bit ironic that you're thinking of granting them the presumption of innocence, given that you've spent several years under a delusion that they intentionally created with all the lies and rigged polls they set up.

you're right, the polls brainwashed me
what was i thinking?!

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what would the jelly staff do if it turned out you had been cheating for years up to and including the present day?

probably say Wow, liquid was cheating for years? how were we supposed to know AHAHAHA
they'd remove me and carry on with business
i don't understand why you threw that idea out there

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as to the marching on EA, the only person who did that was roni, but it turned out he didn't think an individual community should be able to decide for itself whether to use the pointsfix or not either.

i think he cleared that up when you accused him of that
he wanted there to be a choice; that's why i signed his ren-e-petition

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that alone would have been enough; it would have been like me hacking into the jelly box to install the pointsfix. what would you have done had i done so?

that's not the same thing
it would be like you lying to jelly to get him to put the pointmod on the servers

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do you think that was also the case in all the other times they were caught lying about stuff?

i think that you're the bad guy here and used simpee and clearsh0t as your scapegoats

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