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Re: BHS Ladder [message #438541 is a reply to message #438532]

Thu, 28 October 2010 19:54

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liquidv2 wrote on Thu, 28 October 2010 20:00

i don't remember them saying they wanted control of the ladder or anything like that

well, they certainly didn't want to be admins (i recruit for renadmins and they don't apply, cos that means you actually have to do some work), but they still want to make all the decisions nonetheless, and either threaten or carry out direct action if they're not obeyed.

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i have fun in both but it's definitely easier with the original points to gain income and use it against the enemy

that's right. if you can get points and money for absolutely no reason, it is easier to get money. well observed.

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the enemy is more than welcome to do the same against me
i do agree that the game is more fair with the pointmod, in terms of point distribution
does it balance the game more? idk, i think it makes Nod do better more often than GDI in public servers
more so than the original points
is that a bad thing? depends on your perspective

a lot of people in public servers still don't really know how to play GDI properly.

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i do not, however, think the original ladder system westwood designed is ideal at all. i can vastly improve upon it.
so, "it's what westwood intended" is by no means the beginning and the end of the argument. they did a fine job designing the points system, they did a pathetic job designing the ladder. like i said, if i didn't say that now i'd almost certainly be saying it later.

[color=skyblue]who's saying the westwood ladder is the best way to rank renegade? it's a stupid argument
we have the chance now to make one that's far more in-depth than theirs had a chance to be

i was pre-empting an objection.

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you rant entirely too much about how bad of people simpee and clearsh0t are
it had nothing to do with anything in this case and i've heard it all before

has everything to do with what troop said. you have indeed heard it all before (and usually sided with them)

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firstly, as to which you allude, they were too stupid to see that the move was yet another compromise in their direction, in spite of the fact nobody on their side would ever budge an inch the other way.

[color=skyblue]either they're so biased against you at this point for whatever reason or reasons

i love these euphemisms of yours.

"for whatever reason or reasons", as if maybe they have legitimate grievances but we don't have time to go into that. well, we gave them plenty of time to air their concerns about the problems of having spoony as an admin. you remember what they did, i hope? you remember the ENORMOUS list of accusations they posted against me, EVERY SINGLE ONE of which turned out to be a knowing fabrication?

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that they completely ignore the fact that you're trying to do something in their favor

that's the anti-pointsfix crowd in a nutshell.

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or they don't think that that's good enough and feel original points should count as much as the pointmod

you perhaps missed simpee saying that if he had his way, no servers would be allowed to use the pointsfix at all? something which - as i keep unsuccessfully trying to remind you - they tried to put into action when i was originally testing the pointsfix at clanwars, and you supported them when they did?

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it's their opinion; it doesn't have to match yours or make any sense

oh, please. don't try to describe an absurd episode of extraordinary dishonesty and vindictiveness as "well, their opinion doesn't have to match yours". if someone cheated in jelly and you banned him for it, i might as well say you banned him for having a different opinion (on whether it's acceptable to cheat)

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what did they do that was so dishonest? tell lies about past things you did or something completely unrelated? i don't even remember, but it seems much more important to you than it does to me

it wasn't unrelated, because clearshot and simpee specifically brought it all up as an argument against the TT ladder. once it occurred to them that the decisions on how the ladder would be run might not be made by them and them alone, they tried to sabotage it rather than it be run in a way other than theirs (EXACTLY LIKE THEY DID TO CLANWARS)
they tried to drive people away from the ladder by saying don't play here guys, spoony's the admin of it (not quite true but meh) and here's a huge list of admin abuses he did at his other ladder. and of course, they posted their huge list of accusations - every single one of which was an easily exposed lie. and all this comes from two people who actually do have records of cheating and pointpushing and breaking rules - when i pointed that out, surprise surprise, they lied about that too.

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i'm just gonna throw this out there, i'm not sure renegade would be around or still living if the pointmod had been the original point system

that's ridiculous. if the point bug had never existed, it would never have occurred to anybody to make a mod to let people get points by shooting tanks with snipers and auto rifles, thinking that this was the right solution to the problem of not having enough money. i would be surprised if anybody even thought that this "problem" existed at all.

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