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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 08:28 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 09:02 |
Didn't EA release some C&C games as multiplayer-only free downloads? Maybe we'll just have to hang tight for another 5 years
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They released C&C95, RA1, and TS for free... the first of which doesn't even HAVE multiplayer, so, not quite.
Eventually Renegade will have a free release, but not before RA2 and Yuri's Revenge.
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Uh... what about this? (files are actually now downloadable from my post in the thread, FilePlanet and a different place and format on Understorm.) Does this not work with the downloadable versions?
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| Re: How do we get Renegade great again? [message #434179 is a reply to message #434176] |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 17:04 |
Does anyone still play C&C or Red Alert?
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I play red alert aftermath 
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lol| nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 05:11 |
With only 14 people living in Canada, the retarded one was bound to show up around here sooner or later.
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| HaTe wrote on Sun, 04 July 2010 16:17 |
| Good-One-Driver wrote on Sun, 04 July 2025 01:37 |
everything is possible just need to know how to code
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Jumping from the empire state building onto concrete head first and surviving is possible if I know how to code? Wow, teach me please.
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I am in a bad mood with you, you wasted my time.
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| Good-One-Driver wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 09:03 |
lol fuckin russians damn communists
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That was the worst comment to this thread ever.
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| Nightma12 wrote on Wed, 08 June 2011 14:27 |
your mum is a stupid language
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| reborn wrote on Sun, 20 November 2011 11:54 |
Liquedv2, yew need to branch out a little on your thinking. I'm sure you'll twig it soon enough, but you're barking up the wrong tree.
The map is budding with new ideas and great game-play, AitcraftKiller just has to get to the root of the problem, it seems to have him pretty stumped right now.
Leaf him alone, he's doing a good job. I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say this map isn't fir you.
Anyway, this thread is really starting to lumber along, all this over some sap's map? I thought the game was dead, but this thread at least is poplar. It makes me pine for the days of yonder.
At the end of the day, life's a Beech.. Who wood of thought it?
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| Azazel wrote on Sun, 25 March 2012 10:20 |
6 Players don't know how to use a tank.
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But 1 knows how to use triggerbot!
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| Re: How do we get Renegade great again? [message #434575 is a reply to message #434158] |
Wed, 11 August 2010 11:00 |
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| reborn wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 07:29 |
Olaf disables serial validation
Olaf controlls XWIS. If he was to disable serial validation, it would mean that you could flood the torrent scene with the renegade ISO's and a valid serial for installation purporses. This would have the added advantage of not splitting the community.
However, while Olaf owns and operates XWIS, he is not in the position to disable serial validation without consent from EA.
If he did it without their consent, they would likely remove there redirects. If they did not boot back up their WOL servers (which they likely wouldn't), then Renegade would be no more.
EA gives the game away for free
I heard EA are contractually oblidged to not give it away for free for some time still to come, probably something to do with it being part of TFD which is still being sold.
However, they have released CnC games for free before.
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@serial validation, heres where things went wrong in the first place.....for those of you who don't know, BHS put in their own bid to EA to take over atleast the renegade portion of what is now XWIS but ultimately conceded to just having "mod" powers (crimson and blazer specifically). Remember, XWIS now gets money from EA to pay for server costs etc, so it was in their interest to maintain control....BUT if this wouldn't have happened, Crimson would have had access to the update servers, would have been able to get the ladder going instantly, etc
Moving on, I think removing all serial checks is a good idea but even if all (or most) of the server owners want to install a mod to do this (which they do) it would still mean people would need to connect through gamespy or direct connect which is not ideal....
@renegade released as free, this is the best possible thing that could happen (ESPECIALLY if timed with the release of TT) but will most likely not happen with a year or two and not because of some contractual thing but because they would have to release RA2 first....for EA it doesn't matter, they wouldn't be making anything open source, so licensing stuff from Miles/Brink etc is a non issue
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| Re: How do we get Renegade great again? [message #434695 is a reply to message #434013] |
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| dthdealer wrote on Sun, 01 August 2010 07:11 |
How do we get Renegade great again?
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| HORQWER wrote on Tue, 18 September 2007 20:47 |
this is not a real renegade forums ,some one made it up
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| Re: How do we get Renegade great again? [message #434699 is a reply to message #434575] |
Fri, 13 August 2010 07:21 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 14:00 |
| reborn wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 07:29 |
Olaf disables serial validation
Olaf controlls XWIS. If he was to disable serial validation, it would mean that you could flood the torrent scene with the renegade ISO's and a valid serial for installation purporses. This would have the added advantage of not splitting the community.
However, while Olaf owns and operates XWIS, he is not in the position to disable serial validation without consent from EA.
If he did it without their consent, they would likely remove there redirects. If they did not boot back up their WOL servers (which they likely wouldn't), then Renegade would be no more.
EA gives the game away for free
I heard EA are contractually oblidged to not give it away for free for some time still to come, probably something to do with it being part of TFD which is still being sold.
However, they have released CnC games for free before.
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@serial validation, heres where things went wrong in the first place.....for those of you who don't know, BHS put in their own bid to EA to take over atleast the renegade portion of what is now XWIS but ultimately conceded to just having "mod" powers (crimson and blazer specifically). Remember, XWIS now gets money from EA to pay for server costs etc, so it was in their interest to maintain control....BUT if this wouldn't have happened, Crimson would have had access to the update servers, would have been able to get the ladder going instantly, etc
Moving on, I think removing all serial checks is a good idea but even if all (or most) of the server owners want to install a mod to do this (which they do) it would still mean people would need to connect through gamespy or direct connect which is not ideal....
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I was saying remove XWIS serial validation. FDS's do not validate serials at all, they're just capable of retrieving the hash.
I made (and by "I", I actually mean a collective effort from myself, SaberHawk and Adad) a plugin for removing serial validation for servers hosted on GameSpy, but really it's preferable though XWIS (how are the people without a valid serial supposed to know which servers they can join without getting booted for an invalid serial?).
I'll be releasing it this weekend, although I think Zunnie already zipped it up in the SSAPB release.
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| Re: How do we get Renegade great again? [message #434717 is a reply to message #434013] |
Fri, 13 August 2010 09:08 |
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plugin for removing serial validation for servers hosted on GameSpy
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SK made this ages ago! It's downloadable in the useful ressources sticky.
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| Re: How do we get Renegade great again? [message #434755 is a reply to message #434726] |
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| reborn wrote on Fri, 13 August 2010 18:56 |
What the fuck? lol...
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Well, GSA got no more serial updates after, say 2004'ish, so servers had to do something about it...
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| Re: How do we get Renegade great again? [message #434918 is a reply to message #434013] |
Tue, 17 August 2010 08:16 |
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I honestly believe the only likely possible way to get more players is to make a WOL clone, then if by chance someone (not the WOL clone operator) flooded a release of a renegade torrent directing them to the clone.
Obviously that's all hypothetical.
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| Re: How do we get Renegade great again? [message #434940 is a reply to message #434812] |
Tue, 17 August 2010 16:39 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sun, 15 August 2010 14:10 |
By having TT alpha/beta events with a lot of players.
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This was already suggested, but some of the other server owners weren't as enthusiastic to say the least..
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| Re: How do we get Renegade great again? [message #434946 is a reply to message #434013] |
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We (that is TT) plan to have a big beta test event hosted on a BlackIntel box. We dont know when this will happen as we want to make sure 4.0 is stable/bug-free enough first.
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| Re: How do we get Renegade great again? [message #434977 is a reply to message #434975] |
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| luv2pb wrote on Wed, 18 August 2010 09:11 |
It doesn't matter how good TT is or is not if no one is playing Renegade.
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As Crimson's friend, you could ask her a favour of giving you the REOL files.
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| Re: How do we get Renegade great again? [message #435006 is a reply to message #434013] |
Wed, 18 August 2010 15:14 |
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Crimson doesn't have the REOL files. Anything made by RE is at best incomplete and barely operable anyway. The TT team could whip up a suitable WOL clone in a matter of days (a couple weeks if you include testing) but moving the community to a clone is a nightmarish process that will most likely split the community in half and ultimately end up in no one moving to it.
As for disabling serial validation, I am quite against that idea while XWIS is still prone to page flood abuse. Serial banning is the only weapon we have against them at the moment. There are other types of floods that are possible as well that we would be completely unable to stop without XWIS serial banning.
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| Re: How do we get Renegade great again? [message #435023 is a reply to message #435006] |
Thu, 19 August 2010 00:40 |
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| Crimson wrote on Wed, 18 August 2010 18:14 |
Crimson doesn't have the REOL files. Anything made by RE is at best incomplete and barely operable anyway. The TT team could whip up a suitable WOL clone in a matter of days (a couple weeks if you include testing) but moving the community to a clone is a nightmarish process that will most likely split the community in half and ultimately end up in no one moving to it.
As for disabling serial validation, I am quite against that idea while XWIS is still prone to page flood abuse. Serial banning is the only weapon we have against them at the moment. There are other types of floods that are possible as well that we would be completely unable to stop without XWIS serial banning.
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I thought REOL was complete and you was in possesion of it, my bad. Although, as you pointed out, it's mainly irrelevant anyway as One could be made in a reletively short amount of time.
However, I disagree that it would split the community. You could list the FDS on both XWIS and the clone at the same time, most players that joined via XWIS would not even be aware of the type of server they joined.
In any case, if it did cause a split, then those faithful to XWIS would just stay in the XWIS only servers. I can't see servers like n00bstories and Jelly moving from XWIS, as they see a nice amount of players anyway.
However, there are a mass amount of empty servers sitting on XWIS, they have nothing to lose by listing their server on both platforms, or just migrating altogether.
While it's true serial validation on XWIS means that most threats are blocked, it's by no means fool proof, and anyone with a slight amount of knowledge on XWIS protocol could prove that pretty easily. Although granted, serial validation is nice for many reasons, and it's better to have it.
However, serial validation is of little importance to the server owner with 0 players. You can't justify turning it off globally on XWIS for said server owner, so a clone is at least a viable alternative.
You could perhaps even make the torrented game include a little patch that sends XWIS upon joining their hardware serial information. Better than nothing.
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