| Do you consider bots and cheats in MMORPG'S that bad? [message #429994] |
Fri, 04 June 2010 02:46  |
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If someone uses an aimbot in an FPS (such as Renegade), it's highly annoying and frustrating for the player that's getting spanked.
However, do you consider using a cheat/glitch/bot in an MMORPG (such as WOW) to gain currency/items/levels/stats such a big deal?
Some people I know are of the mind that cheating is cheating, so it's just as terrible. While others I know feel that as long as they are not ruining the game for others, or breaking the economy, but only hack to gain stuff for their character, then it isn't really a problem, as it doesn't affect them (kinda like al weapons cheat for GTA single player on the PS, who gives a shit?).
What are your feelings?
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| Re: Do you consider bots and cheats in MMORPG'S that bad? [message #430000 is a reply to message #429994] |
Fri, 04 June 2010 04:46  |
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Do you consider a bot that fights for you against NPC's to gain experiance points that bad?
This is much the point of the game and kinda self defeating, but I am curious how people regard this.
How about single player cheats for games such as GTA?
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| Re: Do you consider bots and cheats in MMORPG'S that bad? [message #430007 is a reply to message #429994] |
Fri, 04 June 2010 07:07 |
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I agree with EvilWhiteDragon, cheating = cheating.
Even if you aren't harming the experience for other players you are still cheating to get higher ranked (one example), in a game like Runescape, this is a big problem.
Isn't gaining experience and leveling up the whole point of an MMO/RPG? What's the fun in cheating to achieve that? You use cheats to get your character to the max level for everything, what do you do next?
Cheating in Single player is different, I admit myself to cheating in GTA games. I never get anything done, I just go around killing things. 
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| Re: Do you consider bots and cheats in MMORPG'S that bad? [message #430009 is a reply to message #429994] |
Fri, 04 June 2010 08:58 |
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You say that some consider bots in MMORPGs as not affecting other players, but in a game like WoW (as an example) resources are scarce and once used take time to respawn. Therefore they DO affect other players because there are no resources available for them to mine if there are bots in the area gobbling them all up constantly.
The only bot I would not consider to be harmful to the game world in an MMORPG might be one which simply explored the map passively, moving from area to area to unlock new game locations or transport points. While still an advantage to the player (and therefore cheating) this is probably the only type of bot I can think of that wouldn't affect the games of fellow players in any way.... doubt anything like this exists though.
| Lone0001 wrote on Fri, 04 June 2010 15:07 |
Cheating in Single player is different, I admit myself to cheating in GTA games. I never get anything done, I just go around killing things.
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The only GTA game I ever played was one on a PS1 and all I did was use the unlimited ammo all weapons cheat and go round shooting stuff for a bit. Never really got into the GTA games that much though, even with that cheat it still gets really dull really quickly and without it.... zzzZZZzzzZZZ
Your right though, there's a big difference between cheating in a single player game (nobody else is affected, you just lose out on the satisfaction of finishing it yourself) and cheating in an online game where you ruin other players enjoyment of the game.
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| Re: Do you consider bots and cheats in MMORPG'S that bad? [message #430011 is a reply to message #429994] |
Fri, 04 June 2010 09:35 |
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For single player it can be fun to use cheats after beating the game at least once, depending on what type of cheat it is and how much it lets me mess with the AI NPCs. For me, it adds an interesting twist with some extra replay value. I never use cheats the first time playing through, since I like to know I can beat it by my own skill.
For online games you inherently interact with other players, and just like the real world for every action there is a reaction. For that reason it's my opinion everything you do changes something for other players so cheating degrades their gameplay in some way. Whether the change is minor or very noticeable is irrelevant.
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| Re: Do you consider bots and cheats in MMORPG'S that bad? [message #430012 is a reply to message #429994] |
Fri, 04 June 2010 09:56 |
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I play MMORPG's frequently, so I understand that there are plenty of dynamics involved in them. It definitely causes a problem when you can just bot your way to the highest level and kick everyone's ass. It also becomes a huge problem when legitimate players can't even level up anywhere because bots occupy every place, and you can't really make any money because server economies are horridly broken from the mass amount of gold that fills markets due to gold selling bots. Also, extreme amounts of lag and sheer annoyance in towns from gold buyers/etc.
Granted, this differs from MMO to MMO and doesn't affect WoW as much due to WoW being pay to play, but pay to play MMO's are becoming a thing of the past.
But look at Silkroad for a perfect example of botting, cheating, and etc ruining the entire game. Can't even get into the server because it's so packed full of bots, and when you do, it lags to hell and back in towns, and you can't even level anywhere.
TL;DR: It's not as direct, but it definitely still affects people when you cheat in an MMO to make just yourself better.
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: Do you consider bots and cheats in MMORPG'S that bad? [message #430022 is a reply to message #429994] |
Fri, 04 June 2010 15:12 |
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When you start losing battlegrounds because your team has mor AFK botters, then yes it does affect other players. When they start flooding the in-game economy with rare items through grinding bots then yes that also could be considered bad. Annoying spam bots... Although not many players will risk losing hundreds of hours of lvling and gearing on cheats because Blizzard doesn't warn, they will just ban without warning.
sup Dan. 
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| Re: Do you consider bots and cheats in MMORPG'S that bad? [message #430025 is a reply to message #429994] |
Fri, 04 June 2010 15:43 |
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What many people fail to realize, though, is that MMO's aren't based around split-second timing skill like most FPS's. They're much more strategy oriented, and the whole game world affects your playstyle.
So while bots and etc don't directly affect battles and the like, they affect the whole game world and strategy in whole. Which is the MMORPG equivalent to straight up aimbotting in an FPS.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Do you consider bots and cheats in MMORPG'S that bad? [message #430046 is a reply to message #430025] |
Sat, 05 June 2010 00:36 |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 05 June 2010 00:43 |
So while bots and etc don't directly affect battles and the like, they affect the whole game world and strategy in whole.
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Damn, that sounds a lot like BB!
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| Re: Do you consider bots and cheats in MMORPG'S that bad? [message #430066 is a reply to message #430046] |
Sat, 05 June 2010 07:46 |
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| Goztow wrote on Sat, 05 June 2010 02:36 |
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 05 June 2010 00:43 |
So while bots and etc don't directly affect battles and the like, they affect the whole game world and strategy in whole.
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Damn, that sounds a lot like BB!
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A bit, although Renegade is still more focused on the individual battles than an MMORPG is.
It's more like gaining huge amounts of points when you shouldn't 
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Do you consider bots and cheats in MMORPG'S that bad? [message #430298 is a reply to message #429994] |
Mon, 07 June 2010 04:27 |
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its always cheating, if you play singleplayer or a mmorpg.
You have an advantage and you dont play the real deal.
Not that i care though, but still its cheating.
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I figured some people will still go LOLOLOL STARVING CATS LOOOOLZ UR A FAG or some dumb shit like that. Thanks for not disappointing! 
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