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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 06:48 |
I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course.
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I wasn't really aware of this, but then I have to ask- what exactly was this deal, then?
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Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429398 is a reply to message #429396] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 05:07 |
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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 13:48 |
I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course.
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A few years ago?
Why is there the new *cheat name removed*then, what allows you to cheat with 3.44 scripts. Well, it was luck that the DirectX in scripts 3. kills the old RGH, but i used it as anticheat to get sure that dude isn't shifting me.
Bückstabü!
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429400 is a reply to message #429398] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 05:30 |
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| cAmpa wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 14:07 |
| Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 13:48 |
I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course.
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A few years ago?
Why is there the new *cheat name removed*then, what allows you to cheat with 3.44 scripts. Well, it was luck that the DirectX in scripts 3. kills the old RGH, but i used it as anticheat to get sure that dude isn't shifting me.
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The deal was as mentioned before, that 0x90 wouldn't hook into RG anymore. He has kept his side of the bargain, hit's just that the now hooks something else. The advantage of this COULD be that RG would be able to block rgh, IF it would get updated. But thanks to the wrong people disappearing and the RG security packer being fucked, new RG builds couldn't be compiled and distributed.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429402 is a reply to message #429252] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 05:48 |
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I'm not 100 % convinced of the value of this deal, but the anti cheat creators seem to be.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429403 is a reply to message #429402] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 05:54 |
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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 07:48 |
I'm not 100 % convinced of the value of this deal, but the anti cheat creators seem to be.
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Well, all things considered, I don't think the anti-cheat business is going too well, even with 0x90's "help".
To keep with the business deal analogy: Why continue to do business with someone if they keep giving you outdated, broken products, then?
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429405 is a reply to message #429252] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 06:05 |
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It's actually the anti cheat people that don't keep their part of the "deal", namely keeping their non hacked anti cheat up to date to find cheats. But EWD explained why.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429479 is a reply to message #429252] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 15:11 |
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R315r4z0r is either a troll or a complete idiot because his posts and his dumb attempts at trying to prove some bullshit idea logically are really annoying to read. just think about the following situation and it's pretty easy to see it's a cheat-
you're doing a 1v1 with someone and you mine your base with like 15 mines. on your hud's real-time c4 monitor you're going to notice if the proxy mines are going down 1 by 1 which would automatically tell you there's someone in your base disarming your mines to get in a building. you would never have known this without the hud.
sir kane is also a total idiot. he spends more time on the forums making fun of newbs, while also spewing out internet memes and nerdy insults like a lifeless robot, than he does on actually making good use of his time and doing some coding.
goztow is doing a good job banning people like rsf raptor
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429488 is a reply to message #429396] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 15:41 |
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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 06:48 |
I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course.
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Sorry mate, but that information is out of date.
Our good friend 0x90 may not directly hack into anti-cheat programs such as rg/rr anymore. But he releases 'certain things' that allow people too. I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows what I'm talking about ... (moderators anyways)
Also, on topic:
I have the ideal hud. In public servers that allow buildingbars/minecounters etc, I use it. In cw games/server that don't allow advantage huds I can simply disable it by pressing F5 
(for anyone that cares: I use a blue one now lol)
http://www.mediafire.com/?jyz2zlziwd2
@Gozy: This is only hud-pics to prove that my hud has the function to disable buildingbars/entirehud/map-overlay etc. If you feel that its inapropiate, you may remove it.
I'm interested in what kind of response this'll provoke tho.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429489 is a reply to message #429488] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 16:01 |
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| Azazel wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 00:41 |
| Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 06:48 |
I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course.
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Sorry mate, but that information is out of date.
Our good friend 0x90 may not directly hack into anti-cheat programs such as rg/rr anymore. But he releases 'certain things' that allow people too. I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows what I'm talking about ... (moderators anyways)
Also, on topic:
I have the ideal hud. In public servers that allow buildingbars/minecounters etc, I use it. In cw games/server that don't allow advantage huds I can simply disable it by pressing F5
(for anyone that cares: I use a blue one now lol)
http://www.mediafire.com/?jyz2zlziwd2
@Gozy: This is only hud-pics to prove that my hud has the function to disable buildingbars/entirehud/map-overlay etc. If you feel that its inapropiate, you may remove it.
I'm interested in what kind of response this'll provoke tho.
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Nice, first we had just an aimbot that could hide it selfs, now we have even more cheats that can hide themself. Even coming from people who claim to be anti cheaters.
Epic!
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429491 is a reply to message #429488] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 16:21 |
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| Azazel wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 00:41 |
| Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 06:48 |
I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course.
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Sorry mate, but that information is out of date.
Our good friend 0x90 may not directly hack into anti-cheat programs such as rg/rr anymore. But he releases 'certain things' that allow people too. I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows what I'm talking about ... (moderators anyways)
Also, on topic:
I have the ideal hud. In public servers that allow buildingbars/minecounters etc, I use it. In cw games/server that don't allow advantage huds I can simply disable it by pressing F5
(for anyone that cares: I use a blue one now lol)
http://www.mediafire.com/?jyz2zlziwd2
@Gozy: This is only hud-pics to prove that my hud has the function to disable buildingbars/entirehud/map-overlay etc. If you feel that its inapropiate, you may remove it.
I'm interested in what kind of response this'll provoke tho.
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Ban inc. 
Bückstabü!
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429494 is a reply to message #429479] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 16:42 |
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| Rocko wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:11 |
... because his posts ... are really annoying to read.
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So, with that said, you obviously didn't comprehend (or even read?) what I even said.
I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. But it should not be held on the same level as a cheat.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 15:00 |
Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats.
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 17:35 |
Whether or not you think HUD mods are bad, they should never compare to an ACTUAL cheat.
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See? I said it twice.
With your example, sure it gives you an advantage, that is not what I'm disputing. Even with knowing that the mines are being disarmed, you still have to travel to the location they are being disarmed and fight off your opponent fairly.
But with a cheat, you could just like... fire your pistol at the ground and the guy would drop dead... or you could just walk into his base, taking hits from the ob without dying and just destroy everything with infinite C4...
They both might give advantages but one FAR OUTWEIGHS the other.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429495 is a reply to message #429494] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 17:15 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 01:42 |
| Rocko wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:11 |
... because his posts ... are really annoying to read.
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So, with that said, you obviously didn't comprehend (or even read?) what I even said.
I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. But it should not be held on the same level as a cheat.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 15:00 |
Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats.
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 17:35 |
Whether or not you think HUD mods are bad, they should never compare to an ACTUAL cheat.
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See? I said it twice.
With your example, sure it gives you an advantage, that is not what I'm disputing. Even with knowing that the mines are being disarmed, you still have to travel to the location they are being disarmed and fight off your opponent fairly.
But with a cheat, you could just like... fire your pistol at the ground and the guy would drop dead... or you could just walk into his base, taking hits from the ob without dying and just destroy everything with infinite C4...
They both might give advantages but one FAR OUTWEIGHS the other.
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Because you say it's not a cheat doesn't mean it is not a cheat.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429496 is a reply to message #429494] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 17:21 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:42 |
| Rocko wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:11 |
... because his posts ... are really annoying to read.
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So, with that said, you obviously didn't comprehend (or even read?) what I even said.
I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you. But it should not be held on the same level as a cheat.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 15:00 |
Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats.
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 17:35 |
Whether or not you think HUD mods are bad, they should never compare to an ACTUAL cheat.
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See? I said it twice.
With your example, sure it gives you an advantage, that is not what I'm disputing. Even with knowing that the mines are being disarmed, you still have to travel to the location they are being disarmed and fight off your opponent fairly.
But with a cheat, you could just like... fire your pistol at the ground and the guy would drop dead... or you could just walk into his base, taking hits from the ob without dying and just destroy everything with infinite C4...
They both might give advantages but one FAR OUTWEIGHS the other.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429501 is a reply to message #429498] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 18:21 |
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It's like an advantage skin that went to far. It's border line cheat because of the fact that it saves you the time of pressing a button - like certain cheats do as well. It's just not nearly as "bad" as using an aimbot, because, well, all it does is show you building health, which "K" does anyhow. I used it for a while to see how much of an advantage it really is - and, well, it isn't nearly as big an advantage as some of you make it seem. I'm against using it, but honestly, I don't care if someone i am playing against has it or not.
What a lot of people overlook is the hud's with the c4 limit - isn't this in essence the same thing? Yet no one really argues that point....it saves you from pressing a button, or typing something out...am i missing how this is different? There are loads of download-able huds out there, and I believe on this site as well, that include the c4 limit tool. Now, temp banning someone for giving a hint to a building bar site, when this site in itself does -somewhat- the same thing is....disturbing to me. Now, I haven't actually looked, and am relying on my memory, but doesn't Deathlink 6.0 or w/e's GPS Hud include this c4 feature? Seems a bit like some people are just being plain old hypocrite's here....Take a 2v2 clanwar on islands for example, isn't it an advantage to know EXACTLY when someone is coming in your mined tunnels, rather than just the next time you look? It's the same thing as the building bar discusion, just that the c4 hud was introduced more professionally, and therefore is looked upon as a "helping tool" over an "advantage".
Everyone who freaks out about building bars most likely doesn't really understand that they are doing the same thing as the c4 feature...Now, don't get me wrong, that doesn't excuse people's actions for releasing links to building bars, because it has been warned upon many times....but based on the cheat policy in Goz's first post....I really don't see the need for a ban...maybe a deletion of the link and a pm warning at most.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429504 is a reply to message #429494] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 18:40 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 |
I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you.
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Quoted for awesome.
I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry!
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429507 is a reply to message #429372] |
Wed, 26 May 2010 19:30 |
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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 01:57 |
When 5 arties are pounding your base while you are grouping up meds to destroy them, then a building can be dead within less than 20 seconds.
The difference between realtime info and pressing the key is a huge gap. I'd like to see someone fraps how he plays when he's constantly pressing the 'k' button long enough to watch the health of all buildings. If you want the same level of information as BB, then your gameplay will become totally wrecked because you need to keep doing it all the way throughout the game.
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This is the entire argument against buildings bars in a nutshell. If someone cannot understand this as well-decribed by Goztow, then they obviously are suffering from TAP syndrome.
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