| RSF Raptor [message #429252] |
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Goztow
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30 days ban for RSF Raptor for knowingly breaking this rule:
Cheats/Hacks: This forum fully supports RenGuard along with other anti-cheat solutions. With that said, the posting or advertising of cheats will not be tolerated in any way imaginable.
I'll repeat it again: we shall not tolerate any kind of cheat on Renegadeforums.com.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429297 is a reply to message #429296] |
Tue, 25 May 2010 06:42  |
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Goztow
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| Killgeak wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 15:36 |
30days is not much for a cheat
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Especially when he got a clear warning here
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429301 is a reply to message #429294] |
Tue, 25 May 2010 08:04 |
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| cAmpa wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 08:07 |
Gozy, don't you think 30 days are a bit much?
It's just a fucking HUD.
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I must say, i agree with that, its easy to find, and he removed every link, as i can see, so i wouldent give 30days for that! a 10day maximum i would say. Why censore eveyrthing with BB? Some say cheat, some say advantage, but in the end, its hard to remove, but everyone can get it. So unless TT got a fix to remove BB, you really cant stop it. Not now.
What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is what we do.
| CarrierII wrote on Fri 21 May 2010 06:58 |
This doesn't meet the minimum standards of spam.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429303 is a reply to message #429301] |
Tue, 25 May 2010 08:13 |
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| Kimb wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 17:04 |
| cAmpa wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 08:07 |
Gozy, don't you think 30 days are a bit much?
It's just a fucking HUD.
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I must say, i agree with that, its easy to find, and he removed every link, as i can see, so i wouldent give 30days for that! a 10day maximum i would say. Why censore eveyrthing with BB? Some say cheat, some say advantage, but in the end, its hard to remove, but everyone can get it. So unless TT got a fix to remove BB, you really cant stop it. Not now.
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The theard about the HUD was at first not removed. It got removed after RSF angel suggested you'd google his cheats. Would be much like 0x90 saying that you could find *some cheat* if you would type in *some searchterm* in google. No, it's not a direct link, but it makes it darned easy to find.
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Governments should be afraid of their people.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429316 is a reply to message #429314] |
Tue, 25 May 2010 12:03 |
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| Goztow wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 12:53 |
Aimbot's also a feature then... 
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Aimbot does something for you that you might not be able to do yourself. BB's and mine counters just show you info that you can get already...
Yea you have to hit a button to see the info normally, but it is not like these features are gonna make you the best player all of a sudden.
| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 14:00 |
Cheats are cheats. But HUDs aren't one of them.
(upgraded?) HUDs are indirect advantages. Cheats are direct advantages.
Basically, a HUD gives you some information but still requires you to compute it into your strategy for playing. A cheat just makes the game easier to play in direct advantage to everyone else (big heads, infinite health, stealth detection, ect.)
Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429318 is a reply to message #429315] |
Tue, 25 May 2010 12:50 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 21:00 |
Cheats are cheats. But HUDs aren't one of them.
(upgraded?) HUDs are indirect advantages. Cheats are direct advantages.
Basically, a HUD gives you some information but still requires you to compute it into your strategy for playing. A cheat just makes the game easier to play in direct advantage to everyone else (big heads, infinite health, stealth detection, ect.)
Whether or not an (upgraded?) HUD is bad or not is up to you. But they should in no way measure up to ACTUAL cheats.
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An advantage == a cheat == a ban. Did you all miss that he was perfectly aware how the moderators felt about it?
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429320 is a reply to message #429252] |
Tue, 25 May 2010 13:02 |
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I don't get some of this might be me.
So if I coin something an 'upgrade' or 'indirect advantage' then I can use it online?
And all for that is I have to make it publically downloadable?
It's strange that I can just fit about anything in that definition. I can also refuse anything from that definition that I want.
I mean I just say I don't look at my mine counter and its an indirect advantage.
What if I would apply that to stealth detection?
I just don't look at it seems correct and fitting isn't it?
Either figure out a strict definition and not some pseudo-science stuff. At least RenForums has done that.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429322 is a reply to message #429252] |
Tue, 25 May 2010 13:26 |
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Goztow
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Headshots are already in the game. Aimbot is a shortcut to them.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429323 is a reply to message #429252] |
Tue, 25 May 2010 13:31 |
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So if a feature is available in the game I can use it.
Meaning that it was intended to be used?
According to this picture I can modify anything to my specifications? (maps,chars,weapons)
So in your terms it is a feature.
To use the 'flaw' as in the picture does not say I should or can use it online.
Yet it's a feature in the game to modify anything to my own specifications?
Yet that is where I fill in the 'feature' argument.
Wouldn't it be fitting to give havoc a big hat on his head?
What I'm aiming at is that sure you can describe the BB not as a cheat.
Yet if that has any possibilities in making any other 'cheats' just advantages then there is something wrong with your criterion.
You see my argument to use havoc with a big hat and your argument make no sence.
Its hard to describe a line so lets run pure servers!
Or at least get one central rule.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429326 is a reply to message #429252] |
Tue, 25 May 2010 14:17 |
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I don't see why he was banned. If you can gain any of the information in his HUD by pressing a key, what's stopping you displaying that information without pressing a key. If you can show how many mines have been laid, or how much health your building has without point and aim (or pressing a key), why when you show this information all the time does it become a cheat?
Plus, he did not link to it, or give any sort of hints on what to google for it. You're left for your own devices. If you really wanted to you could google for "*cheat name removed*" (which is otherwise not filtered as *cheat name removed*) and then google that from here.
If you're banning this person for telling you to google for his HUD which shows information all the time (information that you can get as a keypress), then you should ban everyone else who even made a post referring to *cheat name removed*.
I vote on the ban being lifted.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429336 is a reply to message #429322] |
Tue, 25 May 2010 14:48 |
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| Goztow wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010 15:26 |
Headshots are already in the game. Aimbot is a shortcut to them.
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Ofcourse headshots are already in the game... but it was not where you could just press a button to magically get them. Unlike aimbot giving you them all the time. It takes skill/timing/practice/experience/luck to get them normally. While the info the HUD shows was a simple click away, for everyone.
There is a huge difference in shortcutting what was already there and took minimal effort to get... and then shortcutting what was not there and making the whole game minimal effort.
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