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Re: Jus wondering .. [message #428597 is a reply to message #428594]

Mon, 17 May 2010 12:38

nikki6ixx
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GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 14:28

nikki6ixx wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 14:24

I don't care what internal politics are going on. What I, and much of the remaining community do care about is when this thing is going to be released. 'Done when it's done' is no longer good enough. Instead of engaging the community, it seems some members of the team prefer to insult those who have legitimate concerns, or repudiate them entirely aka, asking that threads be locked.

Seeing as TT is a project that is supposed to require community support, I'd say its participants ought to be a bit more magnanimous, or at the end of the day, they'll have damaged Renegade as much as 0x90.

I don't think these arguments really do hold anything up, though. Unless EWD pulls an immature move like quitting the TT team because Spoony called him a faggot (not literally, but you know what I mean)- which I doubt he'd do- it's unlikely arguments like this will affect much of TT.

It's not a matter of holding things up. It's a question of the judgement of those that the community has entrusted with this decidedly challenging undertaking. Because we don't get updates, because we don't get to see what's going on, all we can rely on is mere words from people working on the project.

If a team-member comes out on the offensive, and nobody else objects or tries to mediate that response, I, at least, am going to assume the team views the rest of us as a bunch of dummies not worth their time. The response from a couple people who argue that 0x90 can be some sort of asset or ally, and then saying anyone who disagrees is a 'retard' is not good PR, especially when sheer facts overrule their statement in the first place.

On the whole, this affects TT because it only makes people upset. On the internet, people are fickle, so when it's showtime, and the community supposedly votes (how else can we agree) on TT, the results could end up being disappointing.

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		Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Mon, 10 May 2010 23:33
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Goztow on Tue, 11 May 2010 00:00
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Clark Kent on Tue, 11 May 2010 09:13
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Hex on Tue, 11 May 2010 12:07
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Omar007 on Tue, 11 May 2010 03:10
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: havoc9826 on Tue, 11 May 2010 08:58
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Tue, 11 May 2010 12:39
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: R315r4z0r on Tue, 11 May 2010 09:56
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Caveman on Tue, 11 May 2010 10:28
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: F1r3st0rm on Tue, 11 May 2010 12:38
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: slosha on Tue, 11 May 2010 21:39
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Goztow on Tue, 11 May 2010 23:58
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: 0x90 on Wed, 12 May 2010 14:18
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: zeratul on Wed, 12 May 2010 15:03
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Wed, 12 May 2010 16:40
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Wed, 12 May 2010 18:50
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: 0x90 on Wed, 12 May 2010 19:59
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Clark Kent on Wed, 12 May 2010 20:18
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: 0x90 on Thu, 13 May 2010 01:33
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Goztow on Thu, 13 May 2010 02:51
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Thu, 13 May 2010 04:30
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Clark Kent on Thu, 13 May 2010 07:39
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 04:55
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Goztow on Thu, 13 May 2010 01:28
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Goztow on Thu, 13 May 2010 04:36
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: reborn on Thu, 13 May 2010 05:13
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 06:03
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Hex on Thu, 13 May 2010 05:17
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Tiesto on Thu, 13 May 2010 05:26
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Thu, 13 May 2010 17:31
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: reborn on Fri, 14 May 2010 01:12
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: reborn on Thu, 13 May 2010 06:13
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 06:58
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 13 May 2010 09:21
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Clark Kent on Thu, 13 May 2010 09:32
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 09:57
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 13 May 2010 10:08
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 10:51
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 13 May 2010 11:22
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 11:58
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 13 May 2010 16:05
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 17:59
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 13 May 2010 18:59
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Fri, 14 May 2010 01:47
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: masterkna on Thu, 13 May 2010 10:21
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Thu, 13 May 2010 12:04
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sir Kane on Thu, 13 May 2010 13:12
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Dover on Thu, 13 May 2010 18:34
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Fri, 14 May 2010 04:02
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Fri, 14 May 2010 05:09
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: reborn on Fri, 14 May 2010 03:49
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Fri, 14 May 2010 05:58
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Fri, 14 May 2010 06:07
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Fri, 14 May 2010 08:45
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Fri, 14 May 2010 13:05
		Bashing Spoony By: EvilWhiteDragon on Fri, 14 May 2010 14:50
		Re: Bashing Spoony By: Spoony on Fri, 14 May 2010 18:33
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Fri, 14 May 2010 15:29
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Fri, 14 May 2010 15:34
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Fri, 14 May 2010 16:27
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: T0RN on Fri, 14 May 2010 17:44
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Fri, 14 May 2010 20:48
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sat, 15 May 2010 01:09
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 15 May 2010 03:14
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sat, 15 May 2010 03:54
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 15 May 2010 04:19
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sat, 15 May 2010 04:46
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 15 May 2010 04:55
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Sat, 15 May 2010 02:19
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Sat, 15 May 2010 04:12
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Kimb on Sat, 15 May 2010 04:49
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: StealthEye on Sat, 15 May 2010 05:01
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 15 May 2010 05:15
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Tunaman on Sun, 16 May 2010 16:13
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: StealthEye on Sat, 15 May 2010 06:02
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: StealthEye on Sat, 15 May 2010 04:43
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: snpr1101 on Sat, 15 May 2010 05:26
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 15 May 2010 05:28
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Sat, 15 May 2010 06:27
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: luv2pb on Sun, 16 May 2010 12:09
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: nikki6ixx on Sun, 16 May 2010 12:17
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Kimb on Sun, 16 May 2010 12:30
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Sun, 16 May 2010 13:23
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sun, 16 May 2010 15:39
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sun, 16 May 2010 16:03
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Sun, 16 May 2010 16:30
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Mon, 17 May 2010 02:58
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Mon, 17 May 2010 04:51
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Kimb on Mon, 17 May 2010 05:00
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Mon, 17 May 2010 09:15
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Mon, 17 May 2010 16:29
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Mon, 17 May 2010 17:01
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Mon, 17 May 2010 17:34
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Mon, 17 May 2010 23:31
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Kimb on Mon, 17 May 2010 23:34
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Tue, 18 May 2010 05:37
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Mon, 17 May 2010 01:29
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Reaver11 on Mon, 17 May 2010 01:17
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: nikki6ixx on Mon, 17 May 2010 12:24
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Mon, 17 May 2010 12:28
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: nikki6ixx on Mon, 17 May 2010 12:38
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: 0x90 on Sat, 22 May 2010 04:44
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