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Will TT be doing anything about all the fake serials out there? Making a new serial system for users or some kind of identification system?

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Re: Serials [message #424020 is a reply to message #424015] Sun, 28 March 2010 04:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I thought the fake serials didnt even work

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Re: Serials [message #424031 is a reply to message #424020] Sun, 28 March 2010 10:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sladewill wrote on Sun, 28 March 2010 13:09

I thought the fake serials didnt even work

Blame server owners for putting their server on gamespy and actively disabling serial check because the gamespy serial database isn't up to date.


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Re: Serials [message #424269 is a reply to message #424015] Tue, 30 March 2010 18:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Speaking of serials and name checking ... I hate direct connectors because they can choose your name and use it.. thats the whole point of serial checking and the WOL system. I like being able to have my name to my self.

Will the new TT patch get rid of direct connectors or have the option to block them?


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Re: Serials [message #424276 is a reply to message #424015] Tue, 30 March 2010 19:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Possible solutions have already been provided and discussed here:
http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=29417

Although no one has confirmed if any will be implemented yet.
Re: Serials [message #424284 is a reply to message #424015] Tue, 30 March 2010 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was talking about making a unique id or something for every person that uses tt client and that would solve everything. At least for servers that force everyone to use the tt update.

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Re: Serials [message #424308 is a reply to message #424284] Wed, 31 March 2010 09:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mr.NiceGuy wrote on Tue, 30 March 2010 23:23

I was talking about making a unique id or something for every person that uses tt client and that would solve everything. At least for servers that force everyone to use the tt update.


I was under the impression that TT was manditory for all people that wanted to play Ren online?
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Clark Kent wrote on Wed, 31 March 2010 18:50

Mr.NiceGuy wrote on Tue, 30 March 2010 23:23

I was talking about making a unique id or something for every person that uses tt client and that would solve everything. At least for servers that force everyone to use the tt update.


I was under the impression that TT was manditory for all people that wanted to play Ren online?

That is the plan yes.
also, creating a unique ID, and then? why wouldn't someone nick your ID?


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Re: Serials [message #424312 is a reply to message #424015] Wed, 31 March 2010 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well you would encrypt the id so no one could change it even if they reinstalled renegade or tried to bypass it. Like giving each user a special install password. They cant install without that password and it would just generate this id. It was just an idea and might take a lot of work. Servers would just kick someone using a name that's under a different id or whatever. It would basically replace renegade serials and we wouldn't even worry about players serial's anymore. This kind of system might have a problem with many people not being able to install the update and drive many players away.

This would solve the gsa and the direct connect problem because they will still have to use the tt client.


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Re: Serials [message #424314 is a reply to message #424015] Wed, 31 March 2010 12:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Allow one single nickname (or whatever id you want to use) per install. If they want to change nicknames, then they need to reinstall. I bet that even the worst nolifes get sick of reinstalling their game every time they want to bypass a simple nickname ban.

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Re: Serials [message #424316 is a reply to message #424314] Wed, 31 March 2010 12:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Wed, 31 March 2010 20:30

Allow one single nickname (or whatever id you want to use) per install. If they want to change nicknames, then they need to reinstall. I bet that even the worst nolifes get sick of reinstalling their game every time they want to bypass a simple nickname ban.


And if various legitimate (clanwars, for example) players want to change names, they can't easily either. Nice idea - better to tie all nicknames used by one install together, so that if one is banned, they all are. (Thus legit players can swap, no-lifes discover all of their 9 nicks are banned and have to reinstall).




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Re: Serials [message #424318 is a reply to message #424015] Wed, 31 March 2010 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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this was the whole point of the serial being unique and u want to put another system on top of that to cause more problems?

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Re: Serials [message #424319 is a reply to message #424015] Wed, 31 March 2010 13:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Serials [message #424321 is a reply to message #424015] Wed, 31 March 2010 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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player could have more then one nick. Serials aren't unique anymore only for xwis players. Unless tt can identify legit serials.

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Re: Serials [message #424329 is a reply to message #424321] Wed, 31 March 2010 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Allow one single nickname (or whatever id you want to use) per install. If they want to change nicknames, then they need to reinstall.

Was this in all seriousness? That is completely retarded in my opinion. Using different nicknames is something every player should have the right to do....making it so we would have to reinstall to change our god damn nicknames would be plain insane honestly..


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Re: Serials [message #424345 is a reply to message #424319] Wed, 31 March 2010 23:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Wed, 31 March 2010 22:46

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Goztow wrote on Thu, 01 April 2010 00:17

Goztow wrote on Wed, 31 March 2010 22:46

(or whatever id you want to use)



This is getting to the point of hilarious that you have to keep quoting this.
Re: Serials [message #424348 is a reply to message #424015] Wed, 31 March 2010 23:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not as hilarious as the people claiming they need to have the right to change their nickname. It's a bit like saying you need the right to change your first name in real life... Just a bit of course.

Bear in mind many new games also restrict the amount of nicknames you can use. It's only in Renegade that we have a habit of fucking around on servers, then changing nicks and ip's to bypass a ban.


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Re: Serials [message #424351 is a reply to message #424348] Thu, 01 April 2010 00:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The problem is that ID's can be changed, maybe not easily, but they can be changed.
The chances are rather high that it would somewhere be intercepted and thus can be read and changed. The fact that the server needs this ID to ban doesn't make this any better.


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Goztow wrote on Sun, 28 March 2010 19:12

Sladewill wrote on Sun, 28 March 2010 13:09

I thought the fake serials didnt even work

Blame server owners for putting their server on gamespy and actively disabling serial check because the gamespy serial database isn't up to date.

Actually, that doesn't have anything to do with this, as one can connect to normal WOL only servers as well using DC. You're just lucky that StealthEye made a proper way to check whether the user is on WOL or not and you're being an ass to communities that don't have this.


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Re: Serials [message #424353 is a reply to message #424348] Thu, 01 April 2010 00:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Thu, 01 April 2010 07:58

Not as hilarious as the people claiming they need to have the right to change their nickname. It's a bit like saying you need the right to change your first name in real life... Just a bit of course.

Funny you say that, because the majority of people do actually have the right to change their birth name. Of course they have to go through the proper channels, and inform utility, bank, etc of the name change, but it's still perfectly legal.

I'm against the one nick per install, a group of nicks like CarrierII suggested is a good idea though.
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Indeed, I just ran with the nickname idea because the serials issue is not really fixable.

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Re: Serials [message #424386 is a reply to message #424015] Thu, 01 April 2010 10:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The group of nicknames will have the same issue though: the problem isn't so much how to limit, and whether it's on nickname, serial, hardware id or whatever else. The problem is preventing players from faking this information. This can't be prevented; it can only be made harder by means of a online registration service or something like that. Making it harder for people to change their id however also makes it harder for new players to register, which we probably want to avoid.

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EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Thu, 01 April 2010 09:48

Goztow wrote on Sun, 28 March 2010 19:12

Sladewill wrote on Sun, 28 March 2010 13:09

I thought the fake serials didnt even work

Blame server owners for putting their server on gamespy and actively disabling serial check because the gamespy serial database isn't up to date.

Actually, that doesn't have anything to do with this, as one can connect to normal WOL only servers as well using DC. You're just lucky that StealthEye made a proper way to check whether the user is on WOL or not and you're being an ass to communities that don't have this.

I'm not the one who isn't releasing it... When exactly was BI's last release?


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StealthEye wrote on Thu, 01 April 2010 11:08

The group of nicknames will have the same issue though: the problem isn't so much how to limit, and whether it's on nickname, serial, hardware id or whatever else. The problem is preventing players from faking this information. This can't be prevented; it can only be made harder by means of a online registration service or something like that. Making it harder for people to change their id however also makes it harder for new players to register, which we probably want to avoid.

Yeah, exactly. It's people faking their ID that's the real problem. I remember having to deal with that shit alot on a server I was admin of awhile back. People don't realize how annoying just one person can be... let alone hundreds.


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