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| [NE)Fobby[GEN) wrote on Mon, 22 March 2010 23:33 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 22 March 2010 14:41 |
In my opinion, the people who strictly are opposed to cheaters are the most insane types of gamers.
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I think one (like me) can be strictly opposed to cheaters without wanting to jab a knife into someone's skull, and not be insane.
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As far as I know, you are not the type of person I was talking about.
I'm talking about the people who take cheaters so incredibly seriously that they fail to grasp the reality that it's merely a game they are playing.
Now, being "insane" doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people. But it does mean that they have an unhealthy perspective on something that is meant to be a leisurely activity.
There is a difference between fighting against cheaters to uphold the enjoyment of the game for others and fighting against cheaters because they piss you off. However, I would go as far to say even people who are committed to ridding cheaters for the good of other players are riding the border of insanity themselves.
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Anime... cartoon... hentai...? Whatever, I'm not familiar what the correct word for it. Click the source link in the first post and you'll see what I mean.
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No, I meant your choice of adjective. The word "little." But it wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. 
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| Re: Serves him right. [message #423366 is a reply to message #423299] |
Tue, 23 March 2010 09:00 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 04:54 |
I'm talking about the people who take cheaters so incredibly seriously that they fail to grasp the reality that it's merely a game they are playing.
Now, being "insane" doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people. But it does mean that they have an unhealthy perspective on something that is meant to be a leisurely activity.
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So if it would have been some member of the Valve staff (Counter-Strike lead producer, whatever?) who stabbed the cheater, it would be ok? To him, counterstrike is not a leisure activity, it's his core business. I do not think it is at all important whether it is a leisure activity in a virtual world or a business activity in the real world. Violence is just wrong.
I really hate this "just a game" argument though; to you, the game may be just a game, but others may make money out of it or put a lot of time and effort in playing, supporting or improving it, making it something more to them. Compare it to art for example. Some people attach a lot of value to it, I personally would not want to own most of it even if it was given to me for free. That does not mean that I am going to say to an artist showing his work "hey, it's just art!". Imo, that would be rather disrespectful. I think saying "it's just a game" about anyone who attaches value to games is pretty much the same thing.
I do agree with you though; knifing someone is pretty insane, regardless of how seriously people take the game. Regardless of what their reason is, actually.
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| Re: Serves him right. [message #423380 is a reply to message #423204] |
Tue, 23 March 2010 10:55 |
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That's a misapplication.
They don't make their money from playing the game itself. They make their money from the sale, distribution, and support of the game. Their main focus may be the game, but it isn't in the sense of leisure. They may or may not be gamers themselves that support the game, and in that lies the difference. The company that supplies the game and is compelled to uphold its enjoyment is required to stop cheaters from harming the game. That is a requirement for their job, not a self-appointed position of authority.
What I was talking about were people who simply play the game and take it upon themselves to war against cheaters of their own free will and effort.
I agree with you, however, that, whether or not it's about a leisurely activity, resorting to violence is still wrong.
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| Re: Serves him right. [message #423383 is a reply to message #423366] |
Tue, 23 March 2010 12:15 |
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| StealthEye wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 11:00 |
I really hate this "just a game" argument though; to you, the game may be just a game, but others may make money out of it or put a lot of time and effort in playing, supporting or improving it, making it something more to them. Compare it to art for example. Some people attach a lot of value to it, I personally would not want to own most of it even if it was given to me for free. That does not mean that I am going to say to an artist showing his work "hey, it's just art!". Imo, that would be rather disrespectful. I think saying "it's just a game" about anyone who attaches value to games is pretty much the same thing.
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I'm not saying games aren't important to me or anyone else, and I'm sure quite a few people here including myself have spent months, in some cases years tweaking and perfecting the game client/server to our ideal vision of what we want the game to be. Not to mention the ridiculous amounts of money server owners dish out for hosting.
All I meant by "it's just a game" is that if tomorrow I was suddenly unable to play my favorite games it would definitely suck, but it would by no means screw up my life. Hell, it might even have a positive impact for me.
Either way, whether it's a game or something else, people need to learn to control themselves.
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| Re: Serves him right. [message #423401 is a reply to message #423383] |
Tue, 23 March 2010 13:32 |
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| a000clown wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 20:15 |
| StealthEye wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 11:00 |
I really hate this "just a game" argument though; to you, the game may be just a game, but others may make money out of it or put a lot of time and effort in playing, supporting or improving it, making it something more to them. Compare it to art for example. Some people attach a lot of value to it, I personally would not want to own most of it even if it was given to me for free. That does not mean that I am going to say to an artist showing his work "hey, it's just art!". Imo, that would be rather disrespectful. I think saying "it's just a game" about anyone who attaches value to games is pretty much the same thing.
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I'm not saying games aren't important to me or anyone else, and I'm sure quite a few people here including myself have spent months, in some cases years tweaking and perfecting the game client/server to our ideal vision of what we want the game to be. Not to mention the ridiculous amounts of money server owners dish out for hosting.
All I meant by "it's just a game" is that if tomorrow I was suddenly unable to play my favorite games it would definitely suck, but it would by no means screw up my life. Hell, it might even have a positive impact for me.
Either way, whether it's a game or something else, people need to learn to control themselves.
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Then say that, say that violence is never a solution, don't say it's just a game. Even if this would be true then still we can agree that cheating is aimed at ruining other peoples fun and thus in itself wrong as well, right?
Of course 2 wrongs don't make a right.
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| Re: Serves him right. [message #423403 is a reply to message #423401] |
Tue, 23 March 2010 13:34 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 14:32 |
| a000clown wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 20:15 |
| StealthEye wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 11:00 |
I really hate this "just a game" argument though; to you, the game may be just a game, but others may make money out of it or put a lot of time and effort in playing, supporting or improving it, making it something more to them. Compare it to art for example. Some people attach a lot of value to it, I personally would not want to own most of it even if it was given to me for free. That does not mean that I am going to say to an artist showing his work "hey, it's just art!". Imo, that would be rather disrespectful. I think saying "it's just a game" about anyone who attaches value to games is pretty much the same thing.
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I'm not saying games aren't important to me or anyone else, and I'm sure quite a few people here including myself have spent months, in some cases years tweaking and perfecting the game client/server to our ideal vision of what we want the game to be. Not to mention the ridiculous amounts of money server owners dish out for hosting.
All I meant by "it's just a game" is that if tomorrow I was suddenly unable to play my favorite games it would definitely suck, but it would by no means screw up my life. Hell, it might even have a positive impact for me.
Either way, whether it's a game or something else, people need to learn to control themselves.
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Then say that, say that violence is never a solution, don't say it's just a game. Even if this would be true then still we can agree that cheating is aimed at ruining other peoples fun and thus in itself wrong as well, right?
Of course 2 wrongs don't make a right.
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Violence never solves anything, and a games is not "Just a game". Maybe for you, but maybe not for others who make a living of it
What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is what we do.
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| Re: Serves him right. [message #423423 is a reply to message #423380] |
Tue, 23 March 2010 16:33 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 18:55 |
That's a misapplication.
They don't make their money from playing the game itself. They make their money from the sale, distribution, and support of the game. Their main focus may be the game, but it isn't in the sense of leisure. They may or may not be gamers themselves that support the game, and in that lies the difference. The company that supplies the game and is compelled to uphold its enjoyment is required to stop cheaters from harming the game. That is a requirement for their job, not a self-appointed position of authority.
What I was talking about were people who simply play the game and take it upon themselves to war against cheaters of their own free will and effort.
I agree with you, however, that, whether or not it's about a leisurely activity, resorting to violence is still wrong.
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I do not think it's a misapplication, it just depends on what you consider to be a 'leisure activity'. I do not think gamers who take games so seriously would describe themselves as simply players and playing their games to be a leisure activity: it is not just a game to them, for whatever reason. You can argue that they should not attach much value to it, but imo that is entirely up to them. As long as they do not become violent I see nothing wrong with that. I do agree that they should not appoint themselves a position of authority they do not have though, but I am not sure that that is the case here.
I think we basically agree though, we maybe only disagree on wording. 
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| Re: Serves him right. [message #423429 is a reply to message #423427] |
Tue, 23 March 2010 17:26 |
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| Canadacdn wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 16:50 |
What's the problem?
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Not enough CS knifing jokes in this thread. >:[
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| Re: Serves him right. [message #423489 is a reply to message #423216] |
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and, for the records, DotA is the worst crap ever invented
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WTF 
dota roxed...
Also its successor rox even more: www.leagueoflegends.com 
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| Re: Serves him right. [message #423532 is a reply to message #423530] |
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| Zeratul wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 15:33 |
| DRNG wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 15:31 |
why reference family guy?
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for the fuck of it
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Blame Canada
That's Right, its South park
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| Re: Serves him right. [message #423537 is a reply to message #423535] |
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| Zeratul wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 15:38 |
| Kimb "Joe" Kucan wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 15:35 |
| Zeratul wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 15:33 |
| DRNG wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 15:31 |
why reference family guy?
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for the fuck of it
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Blame Canada
That's Right, its South park
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Blame Obama
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What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is what we do.
| CarrierII wrote on Fri 21 May 2010 06:58 |
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