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Re: my fellow brits [message #420209 is a reply to message #420204] Thu, 18 February 2010 10:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Citizens should be given the right to initiate legislative proc-
esses, public inquiries and hearings into public bodies and their senior management



Could have some serious ramifactions, I doubt anyone in power would want that. :s


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CarrierII wrote on Thu, 18 February 2010 11:47

Recommendation 24:
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Citizens should be given the right to initiate legislative proc-
esses, public inquiries and hearings into public bodies and their senior management



Could have some serious ramifactions, I doubt anyone in power would want that. :s



That's a very 'American' principle, and is often publicized a lot when it comes to California. The people can do petitions that lead to recalls of their government officials, or end up heading to the governor's desk as legislation. For better or for worse.

However, I don't see that kind of political action catching on in England. It doesn't seem like the Parliamentary system really lends itself to grassroots initiatives, where MP's have to be rigidly aligned with their party. I'm basing this on Canada's experience mind you, and we had a right wing party which had called this sort of thing 'direct-democracy.' It was met with criticism from the liberal left, and 'moderates.' The party then shifted to the center and more or less abandoned those principles.

It's a very 'radical' concept to let people have a direct say in politics. Naturally, the liberal elites who have run the country for the better part of 60 years would prefer that the unwashed masses didn't interfere, because the public don't know what's good for themselves. Sarcasm


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I want an equivalent site for America. I'm also glad to see someone has the balls to speak out against the government, and be somewhat successful.

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Way to not read the whole background, this site is the result of a study conducted by the House of Lords, the Government made the site...


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Re: my fellow brits [message #420261 is a reply to message #420204] Thu, 18 February 2010 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But not reading the whole background is fun.

Now I hope someone from the US government has the balls to do the same >.>


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nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 18 February 2010 13:10

Naturally, the liberal elites who have run the country for the better part of 60 years would prefer that the unwashed masses didn't interfere, because the public don't know what's good for themselves. Sarcasm


I was about to jump down your throat, and then I saw what the name of the Sarcasm smiley was.


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Dover wrote on Thu, 18 February 2010 21:39

nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 18 February 2010 13:10

Naturally, the liberal elites who have run the country for the better part of 60 years would prefer that the unwashed masses didn't interfere, because the public don't know what's good for themselves. Sarcasm


I was about to jump down your throat, and then I saw what the name of the Sarcasm smiley was.


lol! Well, in a few cases I do get the feeling that there are those on the 'intellectual left' (hur hur hur) that have a bit of an ivory-tower thing going on, but I needed to take my daily dig at angry tea party people somewhere.


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Re: my fellow brits [message #420294 is a reply to message #420204] Fri, 19 February 2010 05:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Damn, wish I was British so I could support this.

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i voted yes to about half of them.

it must come as quite a shock for the lords to learn that most brits actually don't want them, cause it simply is not democratic.

i would submit a few more proposals myself:
- disestablish the church of england
- abolish the monarchy. let 'em keep all their palaces and whatnot, just take away their political power and don't throw anymore tax money at them.
- somewhat related to above: for all commonwealth countries, give them a nice fat referendum on what they want to happen to their political system
- stop giving undeserved privileges to religion (tax breaks, tax funding, automatic seats in parliament, control over thousands of schools)


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Spoony wrote on Fri, 19 February 2010 11:38

i voted yes to about half of them.

it must come as quite a shock for the lords to learn that most brits actually don't want them, cause it simply is not democratic.

i would submit a few more proposals myself:
- disestablish the church of england
- abolish the monarchy. let 'em keep all their palaces and whatnot, just take away their political power and don't throw anymore tax money at them.
- somewhat related to above: for all commonwealth countries, give them a nice fat referendum on what they want to happen to their political system
- stop giving undeserved privileges to religion (tax breaks, tax funding, automatic seats in parliament, control over thousands of schools)

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Re: my fellow brits [message #420327 is a reply to message #420234] Fri, 19 February 2010 12:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Spoony wrote on Fri, 19 February 2010 17:38

i voted yes to about half of them.

it must come as quite a shock for the lords to learn that most brits actually don't want them, cause it simply is not democratic.

i would submit a few more proposals myself:
- disestablish the church of england
- abolish the monarchy. let 'em keep all their palaces and whatnot, just take away their political power and don't throw anymore tax money at them.
- somewhat related to above: for all commonwealth countries, give them a nice fat referendum on what they want to happen to their political system
- stop giving undeserved privileges to religion (tax breaks, tax funding, automatic seats in parliament, control over thousands of schools)

You'd probably find the house of lords is more popular than the Commons right now.

The monarchy doesn't really have any political power anymore, its more of a tourism thing nowadays.

I don't see what dismantling the commonwealth would achieve either, if a country wanted out, it would do so.

However i do agree with you on the two points on religion. Religion is one of the main problems in the world today.


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Re: my fellow brits [message #420692 is a reply to message #420204] Tue, 23 February 2010 15:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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English government are corrupt and they know it, they stole money from the country for there own personal use, e.g painting fences, and purchasing housing they do not need, etc.

Now really they know the entire country hates them what difference would it make with or without the site.


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Sladewill wrote on Tue, 23 February 2010 22:14

English government are corrupt and they know it, they stole money from the country for there own personal use, e.g painting fences, and purchasing housing they do not need, etc.

Now really they know the entire country hates them what difference would it make with or without the site.

And they are being made to pay alot of it back. Corrupt isn't the way to describe them, more like retarded/stupid.

At least we will have 4 years of tory ineptness soon, instead of the woeful labour. At least freshen things up before they too fuck up things spectacularly.


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Re: my fellow brits [message #420821 is a reply to message #420306] Wed, 24 February 2010 14:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Spoony wrote on Fri, 19 February 2010 11:38


- somewhat related to above: for all commonwealth countries, give them a nice fat referendum on what they want to happen to their political system


We can already do that. However, it's a massive amount of work, and my country would have to open up the Constitution and all sorts of things that we'd prefer not to. Much like your country, ours has a lot of constitutional conventions and customs that have been formed dating back to the BNA Act, and plenty borrowed from the UK previous to that.

Tinkering with all that would take away time from more pressing economic issues, and because our provinces generally hold more power than the federal government, you'd be more likely to be skating in Hell, than having anything changed anyways. Mr. Green

It'd be a nice gesture to encourage the 'colonies' to have a referendum to determine their governments, but it should be more symbolic than anything.


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The G-Man wrote on Fri, 19 February 2010 13:38

You can kill everyone in your goverment and overthrow them aswell. You can turn them into anarchists.


US ftw, fuck you british people.


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The G-Man wrote on Thu, 25 February 2010 16:07

The G-Man wrote on Fri, 19 February 2010 13:38

You can kill everyone in your goverment and overthrow them aswell. You can turn them into anarchists.


UK ftw, fuck you American people.

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goliath35 wrote on Thu, 25 February 2010 15:59

The G-Man wrote on Thu, 25 February 2010 16:07

The G-Man wrote on Fri, 19 February 2010 13:38

You can kill everyone in your goverment and overthrow them aswell. You can turn them into anarchists.


US ftw, fuck you British people.

Fixed. Thumbs Up


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The G-Man wrote on Mon, 01 March 2010 19:12

Go kiss some asschecks!

When was the last time you did it?

I did it 5 nights ago Rocked Over .


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goliath35 wrote on Mon, 01 March 2010 20:13

The G-Man wrote on Mon, 01 March 2010 19:12

Go kiss some asschecks!

When was the last time you did it?

I did it 5 nights ago Rocked Over .


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