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| Re: Hitting a woman [message #419660 is a reply to message #419657] |
Thu, 11 February 2010 01:06   |
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You can defend yourself(almost all of the time) without hurting whoever attacks you.. I'm gonna take a guess and say most people probably don't really have any experience with being assaulted though, but I'm guessing most people can also run away.
Doesn't really apply to the debate about whether its okay to strike a woman in self defense, but I don't believe that anyone should strike another even if they're being antagonized.
| Glock~ wrote on Thu, 11 February 2010 02:34 |
What's to assume? Is a woman really going to want a confrontational man? I don't think that would be very typical. Being short tempered, the man would be more inclined to use violence as intimidation and control, and nobody wants that.
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| Glock~ wrote on Thu, 11 February 2010 02:34 |
That's not what I meant at all. I am just saying that a woman would certainly not like a violent partner, neither would anyone else.
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You'd be surprised.
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| Re: Hitting a woman [message #419665 is a reply to message #419657] |
Thu, 11 February 2010 01:52 |
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| Glock~ wrote on Thu, 11 February 2010 02:34 |
Some interesting points.
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I have a feeling that if I quoted you again, this would turn into a (sorry Spoony) a spoony type drawn out arguement that no one else would read other than us Two (maybe).
Let me shorten my point and summarise how I see it...
Men are taught to respect women and not to hit them. They're told it's wrong to hit a woman, and are conditioned to treat them as "the fairer sex". A man who hits a woman is not really a man at all, he is a bully.
This whole concept is just an example ofjust the way things are done around here. Brainwashing or conditioning if you prefer...
This attitude comes from that old era of women being less than a man, not their equal (that's a lie, it comes from the dawn of time really). Society grew up and realsied that women are indeed our equals, but still clings to the chauvanstic ways of opening a door for a lady, not striking back at a woman, letting the woman go first. These are all patronising and sexist things to do, that mascarade as manors.
Let me give you a straightfoward example...
Two people, a male and female both work as a labourer. Their job is to load up bricks in a hod, and carry them up some ladders.
If the woman cannot carry as much as the man, nor can she carry it as quickly as the man, then does she deserve less pay?
The law says that men and women deserve equal pay for the same job.
If that same Two people get into a fight, and the woman has hit the guy in the face, why is it therefore not acceptable for him to hit her back?
You can't really have One without the other really as I see it.
If you are of the mind that if someone hits you, you should hit them back, or at least defend yourself from further onslaught, then to distinguish against your foe and react different based on their gender is down right sexist. After-all, men and women are equal, no?
If I am honest, in all circumstances I would try to avoid hitting back now, due to my recent experiance and dis-tase for violence period. However, in my mind, I would not condemn another man for defending himself against a woman.
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| Re: Hitting a woman [message #419688 is a reply to message #419580] |
Thu, 11 February 2010 11:49 |
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Reborn, I full understand where you're coming from, and I understand that my view is not right, and is indeed sexist. But it's one of those things that I have been taught to believe all my life, and it would take time to truly adjust my thinking. Although, I do have to credit you with opening my eyes up to this close-minded thinking society is taught to believe is right. I guess I never really looked at the way you do. I truly mean it, too.
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| Re: Hitting a woman [message #419704 is a reply to message #419580] |
Thu, 11 February 2010 16:46 |
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You know what me and my friends were arguing about this just a couple of days ago. In my opinion, I think it is reasonable for a man to hit a woman, as long as she hit first. That would be equality. If you aren't suppose to hit woman just because men are stronger physically,then men should also get more social security checks or money, as men live shorter lives. Wouldn't you agree?
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| Re: Hitting a woman [message #419905 is a reply to message #419580] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 15:02 |
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Fuck, I forgot to reply to this.
Anyways, I won't make a huge TL;DR response, but basically, I agree with Reborn. Women definitely shouldn't be given special rights, but it seems that's more or less a social problem, too- not just a law thing. On top of that, violence in general is almost always looked down upon.
Generally, the person who defends him self is just as punished as the person who started it- if not MORE. This is bullshit. Because of this, kids can't even really fight a bully back in school. You always have the "well, now, it doesn't matter who started it!". But I find that to be utter bullshit- it DOES matter who started it. If some kid comes up to another kid and starts getting in his face, stealing his stuff, or pushing him around, WHY can't the kid being bullied punch the other kid in the face?
Even in adult life, as Reborn pointed out, this stupid shit still happens. Person 1 is generally antagonized by person 2. Person 1 punches person 2 because they feel threatened. Person 1 and person 2 both get in trouble, and if person 1 did more damage (punching them right in the face, for example), then they get more looked down upon.
Now, not only is that a fucked up system as it stands, but place a woman as person 2. You've got an automatic ticket to jail or some form of judicial punishment, while the woman can get off scott free (even if she outright hit you first).
Fuck that shit.
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| Re: Hitting a woman [message #419946 is a reply to message #419764] |
Sun, 14 February 2010 01:28 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Fri, 12 February 2010 14:33 |
As to the suggestion that most attackers can be stopped without being harmed, one of the women who springs to mind when I read my previous post had training in King Fu, beyond any martial arts training I've had (which is pretty limited) so I doubt I could pin her...
Is it truly unacceptable?
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Yeah, just like I said, most attackers can be stopped without being harmed. You said it yourself! There's a key adjective in that sentence.
I also said that for most people that don't know how to react to being assaulted, running/getting away is a great choice, if its possible. In your situation, trying to "pin" her is pretty much definitely a bad choice.
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| Re: Hitting a woman [message #420003 is a reply to message #419580] |
Sun, 14 February 2010 14:42 |
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How so?
If you're trying to actually RUN around inside a house then maybe I can see where coming from.. I meant running away as in retreating/escaping/etc.. Those are generally synonyms. 
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| Re: Hitting a woman [message #420017 is a reply to message #419580] |
Sun, 14 February 2010 18:16 |
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Your hypothetical situation is pretty much saying you can't do anything.. You've already lost since you've already given up. If you can't get away at all, then you're definitely not going to have any better luck trying to fight her. Trying to fight someone while you know that they're more skilled at fighting than you is still an incredibly dumb decision.
And in a domestic situation, yeah, you still have things you can do. Go into a room, slam the door shut? Use your surroundings to your advantage.. A house actually offers you much more freedom than something like an alley. If you seriously can't get away then you're screwed already.
You also want to have some common sense... Staying away from a situation where you're alone in the house of an unstable person who trains martial arts doesn't really take that much common sense.
I don't really see what you're trying to say.
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| Re: Hitting a woman [message #420020 is a reply to message #419580] |
Sun, 14 February 2010 19:27 |
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Saying sometimes the violence comes out of nowhere, I never had to fight her, but she could have flipped, it's not that I've given up, it's that I wouldn't have a choice in that situation, so why, given she's the aggressor, is it wrong?
Edit - posting at silly hours in the morning does the readability wonders. I should further indicate that my knowledge of these aspects of her personality came after the situations I'm refering to.
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the hell is that?
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| Re: Hitting a woman [message #420230 is a reply to message #420013] |
Thu, 18 February 2010 14:02 |
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| HaTe wrote on Sun, 14 February 2010 16:36 |
Run and find a weapon to defend yourself with, and/or call 911.
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LOL.
Me and Carrier live in the UK. We don't get our annual free weapon from our fathers...
Also calling the police because a woman is trying to assault you? I'd so do that. 
The way I've been brought up is to NEVER hit a woman for any reason. If they hit you, then there's something wrong and you shouldn't be together imo. Jus walk out the door..no need to retaliate.
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| Re: Hitting a woman [message #421346 is a reply to message #421254] |
Tue, 02 March 2010 18:06 |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 01 March 2010 18:35 |
Not hitting a women is overrated.
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This pretty much sums up my argument.
I also find it hilarious that women don't like being hit and will go to great lengths to be pissed off about it and tell you how you should never hit a woman... but if you tell them to make you a sandwich/"do their job as a woman" or even hint at it, they go apeshit on you.
what the fuck, society
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Hitting a woman [message #421361 is a reply to message #419580] |
Tue, 02 March 2010 19:14 |
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Chris Brown is the harbinger of bitchslap...check the Mayan calendar. In 2010, when a bitch gets outta line, she gets put in her place. Nowadays bitches talk tough and get physical because they don't expect men to respond in kind. Chris Breezy took that shit too far, punching n biting, but men really need to re-learn how to slap a hoe.
lol
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