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slosha
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Look at this video.
From what I understand, corporations will now be able to influence and reward politicians' actions in Congress and every other aspect of American Government.
I'm absolutely stunned. This is NOT what our founding fathers intended. This certainly not what America is about either. I'm honestly worried about the future of my country. I hope I'm not just overreacting either, I think this may be a big problem for our future.
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418591 is a reply to message #418590] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 21:53  |
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Because corporations are treated as an individual, and have the same rights, this technically IS a fair judgement.
However, morally it's very troubling, and the political gap between the majority public and the wealthy has grown over nine thousand percent.
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418592 is a reply to message #418591] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 22:06 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 22:53 |
Because corporations are treated as an individual, and have the same rights, this technically IS a fair judgement.
However, morally it's very troubling, and the political gap between the majority public and the wealthy has grown over nine thousand percent.
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How can this possibly be fair judgement? A corporation is a collection of people in combination with large amounts of money. So, how should/can these corporations be treated as one entity? They are a business, and the right to vote is given to American citizens, and the last time I checked, a corporation is NOT a citizen.
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418595 is a reply to message #418592] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 22:15 |
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| Glock~ wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 23:06 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 22:53 |
Because corporations are treated as an individual, and have the same rights, this technically IS a fair judgement.
However, morally it's very troubling, and the political gap between the majority public and the wealthy has grown over nine thousand percent.
The 2012 Election! Brought to you by Pepsi!
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How can this possibly be fair judgement? A corporation is a collection of people in combination with large amounts of money. So, how should/can these corporations be treated as one entity? They are a business, and the right to vote is given to American citizens, and the last time I checked, a corporation is NOT a citizen.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation
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A corporation is an institution that is granted a charter recognizing it as a separate legal entity having its own rights, privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members.
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Despite not being natural persons, corporations are recognized by the law to have rights and responsibilities like actual people. Corporations can exercise human rights against real individuals and the state,[2] and they may be responsible for human rights violations.
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Dude, they made an entire movie about it...
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418598 is a reply to message #418596] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 22:32 |
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the american political structure is definitely better than ours, but i will say one thing for the british version. my fellow brits will remember a few lords (unelected, of course) taking bribes from companies about a year ago?
universal outrage tbh. everyone agreed we mustn't have this.
i would go further and say we shouldn't have a house of lords at all, of course, nor a monarchy or an established church...
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418599 is a reply to message #418595] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 22:38 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 23:15 |
Toggle Spoilerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation
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A corporation is an institution that is granted a charter recognizing it as a separate legal entity having its own rights, privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members.
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Despite not being natural persons, corporations are recognized by the law to have rights and responsibilities like actual people. Corporations can exercise human rights against real individuals and the state,[2] and they may be responsible for human rights violations.
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Dude, they made an entire movie about it...
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I guess I never learned that. What a load of shit.
What I also find puzzling is that there is a limit on how much an individual can contribute to a campaign of $500, I think. My government teacher said it was $250, but a quick google seach said it was $500. If this is true, you would think this rule should apply to the corporations, who is considered one 'entity.'
| Spoony wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 23:32 |
the american political structure is definitely better than ours, but i will say one thing for the british version. my fellow brits will remember a few lords (unelected, of course) taking bribes from companies about a year ago?
universal outrage tbh. everyone agreed we mustn't have this.
i would go further and say we shouldn't have a house of lords at all, of course, nor a monarchy or an established church...
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So, if I read the wiki article right, some members in the House of Lords have a birth right to be a Lord? That does seem like a strange today. A democracy makes more sense to me, and I can see you think the same. But why does it matter anymore? Corporate America wins in the end.
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418602 is a reply to message #418590] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 23:31 |
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I'm unaware of America's contribution rules, but I think I recall Entertainment Tonight doing election coverage last year, and their 'report' was on how much coin celebrities contributed to Mac's and Obama's campaigns.
The numbers ran in the tens of thousands, so I was under the impression that individuals weren't really limited in their donations. Then again, a quick search says that the maximum donation to candidates is $4,600 bucks.
I'm confused now lol.
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418603 is a reply to message #418602] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 23:40 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 00:31 |
I'm unaware of America's contribution rules, but I think I recall Entertainment Tonight doing election coverage last year, and their 'report' was on how much coin celebrities contributed to Mac's and Obama's campaigns.
The numbers ran in the tens of thousands, so I was under the impression that individuals weren't really limited in their donations. Then again, a quick search says that the maximum donation to candidates is $4,600 bucks.
I'm confused now lol.
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Yeah, I see it now. I didn't use the best wording. The limit is a lot higher than I thought, but it still doesn't justify no limit for corporations. They're probably ready to pump millions into serving their own self-interests. Ugh, I hate Obama.
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418605 is a reply to message #418603] |
Tue, 26 January 2010 23:59 |
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| Glock~ wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 00:40 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 00:31 |
I'm unaware of America's contribution rules, but I think I recall Entertainment Tonight doing election coverage last year, and their 'report' was on how much coin celebrities contributed to Mac's and Obama's campaigns.
The numbers ran in the tens of thousands, so I was under the impression that individuals weren't really limited in their donations. Then again, a quick search says that the maximum donation to candidates is $4,600 bucks.
I'm confused now lol.
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Yeah, I see it now. I didn't use the best wording. The limit is a lot higher than I thought, but it still doesn't justify no limit for corporations. They're probably ready to pump millions into serving their own self-interests. Ugh, I hate Obama.
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Thing is, this has nothing to do with Obama, nor even Bush really. The judges were just interpreting the constitution, and even then, it was a narrow 5-4 vote.
Frankly, as bad as it is, I'm at least happy your Supreme Court actually interprets your constitution, instead of my country's court's habit of just making dumb legislation without public/parliamentary consent.
Obama is apparently looking at his options for this, because this comes at a really bad time for him. Right now, he's pitching huge taxes on banks, and this ruling, even though he has nothing to do with it, jeopardizes his 'Main Street' pitch.
Also, there could be a silver lining in this. It's a well known fact that corporations channel their money through different special interest groups and groups, which lets them donate lots of money to political parties in a dubious manner. At least this way, maybe they won't use those tactics, and instead donate their funds as one entity, which makes it a bit cleaner, and easier for people to see who is bankrolling who.
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418631 is a reply to message #418602] |
Wed, 27 January 2010 08:32 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 26 January 2010 22:31 |
I'm unaware of America's contribution rules, but I think I recall Entertainment Tonight doing election coverage last year, and their 'report' was on how much coin celebrities contributed to Mac's and Obama's campaigns.
The numbers ran in the tens of thousands, so I was under the impression that individuals weren't really limited in their donations. Then again, a quick search says that the maximum donation to candidates is $4,600 bucks.
I'm confused now lol.
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They get around the limits using what are called Political Action Committees. They basically give the money to someone else to donate for them. It's a facilitated loophole.
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Ugh, I hate Obama.
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Lol.
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418635 is a reply to message #418603] |
Wed, 27 January 2010 08:41 |
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| Glock~ wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 00:40 |
Ugh, I hate Obama.
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Obama has nothing to do with this. These were his remarks:
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"a major victory for big oil, Wall Street banks, health insurance companies and the other powerful interests that marshal their power every day in Washington to drown out the voices of everyday Americans."
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418652 is a reply to message #418590] |
Wed, 27 January 2010 09:40 |
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Yeah, this actually has nothing to do with Obama. Infact, if you hadn't noticed, the democrats are also against this shit. I dunno how many, but it doesn't really matter I don't think.
That being said, this isn't a political thing at all. If you're in the US, I recommend actually doing with Grayson said- try and make a big deal out of it to your congressman and etc. Unless there really is some secret illuminati bullshit going on and all the congressman are in on it, I'm sure they'd be willing to listen to enough pissed off people whose donations matter a whole lot less than some giant monopoly corporation...
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418656 is a reply to message #418635] |
Wed, 27 January 2010 10:50 |
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| Starbuzzz wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 09:41 |
| Glock~ wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 00:40 |
Ugh, I hate Obama.
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Obama has nothing to do with this. These were his remarks:
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"a major victory for big oil, Wall Street banks, health insurance companies and the other powerful interests that marshal their power every day in Washington to drown out the voices of everyday Americans."
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Ok, well at least he's against it. I'd still like to see him try and do something about it.
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #418664 is a reply to message #418656] |
Wed, 27 January 2010 12:01 |
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| Glock~ wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 11:50 |
| Starbuzzz wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 09:41 |
| Glock~ wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 00:40 |
Ugh, I hate Obama.
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Obama has nothing to do with this. These were his remarks:
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"a major victory for big oil, Wall Street banks, health insurance companies and the other powerful interests that marshal their power every day in Washington to drown out the voices of everyday Americans."
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Ok, well at least he's against it. I'd still like to see him try and do something about it.
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Oh, he probably won't.
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #419541 is a reply to message #418664] |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 20:01 |
| Glock~ wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 11:50 |
| Starbuzzz wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 09:41 |
| Glock~ wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 00:40 |
Ugh, I hate Obama.
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Obama has nothing to do with this. These were his remarks:
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"a major victory for big oil, Wall Street banks, health insurance companies and the other powerful interests that marshal their power every day in Washington to drown out the voices of everyday Americans."
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Ok, well at least he's against it. I'd still like to see him try and do something about it.
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Oh, he probably won't.
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So, what has Obama actually done besides talk? [/SPAM]
TBH, this does not surprise me,and I knew this was happening for quite some time, but this is the first time that it is publicly pointed-out since the monopolies, afaik.
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| Re: America is Now the Corporations' Bitch [message #422644 is a reply to message #418664] |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 11:01 |
| Glock~ wrote on Wed, 27 January 2010 11:50 |
I'd still like to see him try and do something about it.
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Oh, he probably won't.
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| IAmFenix wrote on Tue, 09 February 2010 13:52 |
So, what has Obama actually done besides talk? [/SPAM]
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To all three of you; Obama is our president, not our Supreme Overlord. What is this "something" people want him to do?
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