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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415437 is a reply to message #415431] |
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well, that says it all, doesn't. simpee read that last post several times, without replying, and it's easy to see why. we already knew what he values and what he doesn't value... i think he's just proven it.
anyone else would have banned him long before now, had they been the target. i've put up with his extraordinary list of offences towards me for longer than any other admin on renegade would have done.
i catch him every single time he lies to the community to try to win an argument, or to try to make him look bad - but getting caught never makes him stop. why? because he doesn't value honesty.
i catch him every time he tries to break rules for his own advantage at the expense of fair play. but that doesn't stop him trying to do it again. why? because he doesn't value fair play.
i finally say that i see no reason to continue letting him use my league, considering the fact his behaviour towards me has been UNBELIEVABLE, and what do you know... he's terrified. why? because this game's probably all he's got.
simpee, take my advice. just play the game. if you do one more thing against me, if you break one more rule to try to get another advantage, if you lie to the community one more time to try to make me look bad, i will no longer allow you to use my league. let's make no mistake here, you don't deserve it after everything you've done. and i've said all this before... many times.
have a good christmas, with luck, your parents will give you something valuable, like teaching you the value of honesty and respect for the very first time.
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415462 is a reply to message #415426] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 04:28 |
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| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 19:10 |
ha. a tech art is one of the most powerful things in the game. you need 2 meds to kill it. for killing it u get 80 points + a bit more for teching. for killing a single med u get the same amount of points, but wait a second, we need two meds to kill an art. ontop of that, 2 meds costs 1600, or 2300 with techs which you will need to stay alive. so a tech art costs 800 and 2 meds with techs costs 2300. then theres the fact that a tech'd art can easily fall behind the corner and be full in no time and the meds have to take time to repair, so youve gained 23 points for shooting him back for about 5 seconds, whilst taking a shitload of damage urself therfore not able to push any further or shoot buildings. NICE!
why should something just as powerful as 2 meds cost so much less, and worse still give away less points for killing it?
proof of the above is the fact that mesa is no longer played anymore, (go figure) and field is fucking shit because gdi holds the field for 10 minuites and only has a 600 point lead from killin the harv whilst a tech'd art and a light bashes the shit out of them. city fly is also gay and decided by boxes and a single tank fight.
my arguement is not the fact that it sucks not being able to shoot the harv with a ramjet, its the fact that u dont get enough points for tank fighting, it makes the game less fun(slower income, less battles) and that it imbalences the game. like it or not me and clear are the best two players actively playing this game, so please stop calling me stupid and telling me i dont know what im talking about. just sit back and watch as spoony answers everything i said by calling me a liar.
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what happened to kill?
lol
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415464 is a reply to message #415456] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 04:51 |
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kill's pretty rusty now and never gets the good spawns anymore.
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 25 December 2009 04:29 |
| Chew wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 23:41 |
| CarrierII wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 16:37 |
And everyone knows public players are useless! (And that attitude is why I don't like CW.cc)
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^ A sad feeling held by most "public players"...
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And exactly for that reason, the oppinion of the CW.cc players isn't worth anything, so we don't need them to agree, that's Spoony's job 
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like i said, don't judge clanwars by a minority of fuckwits. it really has changed... the only people who could really give you that impression are loki and simpee. loki's banned and simpee's on the very edge. anyone who objectively read this thread can see you, george zimmer etc ("public players") run circles around simpee. he may be a good aim, but he's still thick as pigshit, extremely unsportsmanlike, and dishonest on a scale we haven't seen in renegade since jschultz.
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415469 is a reply to message #415464] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 05:47 |
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 25 December 2009 05:51 |
kill's pretty rusty now and never gets the good spawns anymore.
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 25 December 2009 04:29 |
| Chew wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 23:41 |
| CarrierII wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 16:37 |
And everyone knows public players are useless! (And that attitude is why I don't like CW.cc)
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^ A sad feeling held by most "public players"...
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And exactly for that reason, the oppinion of the CW.cc players isn't worth anything, so we don't need them to agree, that's Spoony's job
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like i said, don't judge clanwars by a minority of fuckwits. it really has changed... the only people who could really give you that impression are loki and simpee. loki's banned and simpee's on the very edge. anyone who objectively read this thread can see you, george zimmer etc ("public players") run circles around simpee. he may be a good aim, but he's still thick as pigshit, extremely unsportsmanlike, and dishonest on a scale we haven't seen in renegade since jschultz.
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The cw.cc community can be pretty hostile at times. Like the fact that every new player is suspected to be pgun. thats not just simpee or loki.
| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 19:10 |
ha. a tech art is one of the most powerful things in the game. you need 2 meds to kill it. for killing it u get 80 points + a bit more for teching. for killing a single med u get the same amount of points, but wait a second, we need two meds to kill an art. ontop of that, 2 meds costs 1600, or 2300 with techs which you will need to stay alive. so a tech art costs 800 and 2 meds with techs costs 2300. then theres the fact that a tech'd art can easily fall behind the corner and be full in no time and the meds have to take time to repair, so youve gained 23 points for shooting him back for about 5 seconds, whilst taking a shitload of damage urself therfore not able to push any further or shoot buildings. NICE!
why should something just as powerful as 2 meds cost so much less, and worse still give away less points for killing it?
proof of the above is the fact that mesa is no longer played anymore, (go figure)
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With the other bugfixes enabled, it actually gets easier for GDI: you can now use MLRS + Med instead of 2 meds, which is 350 cheaper and more effective. Its just that you're unable to adapt to any changes at all.
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and field is fucking shit because gdi holds the field for 10 minuites and only has a 600 point lead from killin the harv whilst a tech'd art and a light bashes the shit out of them.
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You mean Field is actually kind of balanced now and DOESNT get skipped everytime it comes up?
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city fly is also gay and decided by boxes and a single tank fight.
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City_F was ALWAYS decided by boxes, with a slight advantage for GDI in lategame because Orcas are > Apaches.
I now await your "LOL YOURE A SOQ CHEATER AND ALSO YOU SUCK FAGGOT"-Respone. happy christmas.
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415474 is a reply to message #413512] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 08:14 |
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pointfix easier for gdi? orcas better than apaches on city? unable to adapt even tho we easily raped the league and came up with the only new strategy that pointfix has bought?
oh dear surth, i know you were desperate to jump into this but that was pretty poor. ur best bet wouldve been just to call me a liar like spoony because u could never win a debate arguing about the game, especially when ur on the losing side to begin with.
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415477 is a reply to message #413512] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 08:24 |
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ps spoony, why dont u try ban me, reason: talking publicly against the pointfix. im sure everyone at clanwars will love that and it definatly wont kill the league. you cant give any other reason for banning me because other than callin zimmer a fag for mimicing ur argument style and posts, i dont think ive said anything non-pointfix related in this topic. (although its worryingly hard to remember when u keep saying otherwise in every single post.)
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415482 is a reply to message #413512] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 09:20 |
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How come people only argue pointsfix but never ever test it properly, in terms of how it affects game outcomes.
Just takes a couple of people, execute scenarios with and without pointsfix, post results.
All the arguments presented now are either purely theoretical, or based on people's experiences, which are different for everyone.
Ah who am I kidding, posting in reneforums is like pissing in an ocean of piss. Only by sueing reneforums or saying YOU AR BIG JAKAS will you ever get any attention here.
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415491 is a reply to message #415482] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 10:39 |
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| SPIKDUM wrote on Fri, 25 December 2009 10:20 |
How come people only argue pointsfix but never ever test it properly, in terms of how it affects game outcomes.
Just takes a couple of people, execute scenarios with and without pointsfix, post results.
All the arguments presented now are either purely theoretical, or based on people's experiences, which are different for everyone.
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you've missed a great deal. i've arranged a huge amount of balance testing, both in public servers and in clanwars. in clanwars it's been an even bigger success than i predicted it would be. every single clanwar has been won by the team that deserved to win it. (quite a big point there, considering the clanwars league is intended to promote competitive and fair gameplay).
that definitely wasn't the case with simpee's point mod. go back a couple of pages to see my red posts, where i list some criticisms i have against the point mod he wants me to implement into the game. i've repeated the question several times and, as you can see, he can't even begin to answer them.
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ps spoony, why dont u try ban me, reason: talking publicly against the pointfix. im sure everyone at clanwars will love that and it definatly wont kill the league. you cant give any other reason for banning me because other than callin zimmer a fag for mimicing ur argument style and posts, i dont think ive said anything non-pointfix related in this topic. (although its worryingly hard to remember when u keep saying otherwise in every single post.)
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answer my question, why do you think you deserve any more favours from me?
not only have i never done anything wrong to you, i've also done you a great deal of favours. what do you do in return? you treat me like absolute shit. it's UNBELIEVABLE the way you have acted towards me, it is LITERALLY UNBELIEVABLE. so, bearing that in mind, why do you think i should carry on doing you any favours?
it isn't me who needs to explain why you should be banned, it's you who needs to explain to me why you deserve any more favours from me, considering the despicable way you always treat me, for absolutely no provocation. your future at clanwars depends on giving a very good answer to this question. and a good answer from you to me would have to start with quite a few sincere apologies for everything you've done, starting with what you and clear did on the jelly forums.
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415492 is a reply to message #415491] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 11:22 |
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 25 December 2009 11:39 |
| SPIKDUM wrote on Fri, 25 December 2009 10:20 |
How come people only argue pointsfix but never ever test it properly, in terms of how it affects game outcomes.
Just takes a couple of people, execute scenarios with and without pointsfix, post results.
All the arguments presented now are either purely theoretical, or based on people's experiences, which are different for everyone.
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you've missed a great deal. i've arranged a huge amount of balance testing, both in public servers and in clanwars. in clanwars it's been an even bigger success than i predicted it would be. every single clanwar has been won by the team that deserved to win it. (quite a big point there, considering the clanwars league is intended to promote competitive and fair gameplay).
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Any frapses or screenshots so people can STFU?
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415493 is a reply to message #415492] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 11:35 |
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| SPIKDUM wrote on Fri, 25 December 2009 12:22 |
| Spoony wrote on Fri, 25 December 2009 11:39 |
| SPIKDUM wrote on Fri, 25 December 2009 10:20 |
How come people only argue pointsfix but never ever test it properly, in terms of how it affects game outcomes.
Just takes a couple of people, execute scenarios with and without pointsfix, post results.
All the arguments presented now are either purely theoretical, or based on people's experiences, which are different for everyone.
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you've missed a great deal. i've arranged a huge amount of balance testing, both in public servers and in clanwars. in clanwars it's been an even bigger success than i predicted it would be. every single clanwar has been won by the team that deserved to win it. (quite a big point there, considering the clanwars league is intended to promote competitive and fair gameplay).
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Any frapses or screenshots so people can STFU?
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Even with all that, they would never STFU. The bottom line is it is a bug caused by error in coding.
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415495 is a reply to message #415492] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 11:45 |
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| SPIKDUM wrote on Fri, 25 December 2009 12:22 |
Any frapses or screenshots so people can STFU?
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two things. firstly, i'm not really seeing how a screenshot or even a fraps video could prove whether or not a game result went to the right team. only logical debate can really sort that out, and we've had plenty of logical debate about it - and, once again, simpee's side has been completely thrashed every single time, without exception.
secondly, being proven wrong does not make the anti-pointsfix crowd stfu. look at this thread, or any of the others.
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415502 is a reply to message #415498] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 13:33 |
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why are you even talking, loki? why would you get so angry about which points system is used in a league you aren't even allowed to play in?
i know you're furious at me, maybe it's because i gave you fair treatment after you lied to me hoping i'd defend you. ask yourself one question: who's actually done you wrong? if the answer's "nobody" (and clue: it is) then just calm down and go do something else
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415504 is a reply to message #413512] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 13:38 |
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Well I guess im here to let you know how fucking retarded you are, and abuse your emotions. All that faggots that made those 8 pages are the ones like you ( Spoony ) lacking social lifes, so they post here to get pub players to get on their side, when pointfix hardly affects pub games. The renegade point system was right the way it was made, it wasn't bugged as you may think. But hey you know more than the people that created Renegade right? Has anyone realised how retarded of a name " Spoony " is, I mean that told me something about your intelligence level from the get-go.
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415505 is a reply to message #415504] |
Fri, 25 December 2009 13:44 |
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it was only ever going to be a matter of time before loki completely snapped, packer-style. hands up if you're surprised, anybody?
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