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Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415357 is a reply to message #415354] |
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HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 13:35 | I lol'd, just because someone sees your point of view, does not mean that they are the only person being honest on the subject. The world does not revolve around Spoony, believe it or not.
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read what pawky said. there have been quite a few occasions when the anti-pointsfix brigade have objected to the pointsfix under the pretense of "fairness", but when you actually respond to them and the bullshit is stripped away, it isn't long before it turns out that all they wanted was a high individual score even if they didn't deserve it.
this is a specific situation in which almost everyone who has taken the original stance pawkyfox took did so out of dishonest self-interest at the expense of the game's fairness... but then, this is the anti-pointsfix crowd we're talking about so nobody ought to be surprised. and when we point out this as yet another example of the feeble tactics used by your side, it makes you look even worse when your rebuttal is this:
"just because someone sees your point of view, does not mean that they are the only person being honest on the subject. The world does not revolve around Spoony, believe it or not."
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Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415368 is a reply to message #413512] |
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its funny, no respected clanwar player other than u and ur admins have ever said pointfix improves gameplay in clanwars. so the fact that ur using a public players example of a public game rather than listening to the best players in the game to proove how clanwars are better with pointfix is ridiculus.
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Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415371 is a reply to message #415357] |
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Spoony wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 13:51 |
HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 13:35 | I lol'd, just because someone sees your point of view, does not mean that they are the only person being honest on the subject. The world does not revolve around Spoony, believe it or not.
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read what pawky said. there have been quite a few occasions when the anti-pointsfix brigade have objected to the pointsfix under the pretense of "fairness", but when you actually respond to them and the bullshit is stripped away, it isn't long before it turns out that all they wanted was a high individual score even if they didn't deserve it.
this is a specific situation in which almost everyone who has taken the original stance pawkyfox took did so out of dishonest self-interest at the expense of the game's fairness... but then, this is the anti-pointsfix crowd we're talking about so nobody ought to be surprised. and when we point out this as yet another example of the feeble tactics used by your side, it makes you look even worse when your rebuttal is this:
"just because someone sees your point of view, does not mean that they are the only person being honest on the subject. The world does not revolve around Spoony, believe it or not."
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That makes so much sense that i can't even reply. Oh, wait, what? It made no sense? Oh, sorry.
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Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415400 is a reply to message #415379] |
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resistor1 wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 15:06 | Spoony is a selfish retarded dumbfuck, he's worse than hitler.. No one with a half of a brain wants point fix, but he says FUCK YOU IM RIGHT, WESTWOOD MADE THE GAME WRONG!!! I AM RIGHT, then you can't win the argument because he twists everything to be in his favor. He doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks about it, it's all about him. To be fair, he did do a good job getting the league active again.
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Godwins law also now... Give it up your personal insults are not getting you anywhere. People who have shown themselves to be far more intelligent than you are supporting pointfix because of the facts. And Westwood obviously fucked up the coding, so your argument is invalid. If they actually wanted the points to be the way they were they would have done it without the error. If that doesn't makes sense to you go fucking kill youself you are not smart enough to deserve to breath the air.
You call yourself one of the best players in the game?
MAYBE YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE GOOD BECAUSE YOU GOT RIDOCULES AMOUNTS OF POINTS FOR DOING NOTHING AT ALL, OR MAYBE IT WAS THE FUCKING CHEATS YOU DOWNLOADED... EITHER WAY IT WAS A FALSE SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT. YOU FUCKING SUCK, GTFO MY RENEGADE, AND MY INTERNETS. YOU RETARDATION CAN NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPREAD ANY FARTHER.
Damn you are fucking stupid as fuck aren't you...
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Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415407 is a reply to message #415371] |
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HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 14:23 | That makes so much sense that i can't even reply. Oh, wait, what? It made no sense? Oh, sorry.
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righto champ.
you try flaming me, you get proven completely wrong, and you skirt around it with a feeble post like this. you're making your side much much weaker by doing so. i'm saying that for your own benefit... take the advice i gave you earlier. there's absolutely no shame in admitting you were wrong in a debate, just like there's no shame in losing a game of renegade. the shame comes from when you try to act like it didn't happen or when you hold it against the person who defeated you. if you saw someone do it in renegade i'm sure you'd laugh at it... when you do it in debates i'm sure you don't realise you're doing it at all.
loki wrote | Spoony is a selfish retarded dumbfuck, he's worse than hitler.. No one with a half of a brain wants point fix, but he says FUCK YOU IM RIGHT, WESTWOOD MADE THE GAME WRONG!!! I AM RIGHT, then you can't win the argument because he twists everything to be in his favor. He doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks about it, it's all about him. To be fair, he did do a good job getting the league active again.
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I think the best thing I can do with Loki's post, a compulsive-lying cheater, is to simply repeat it After all, the anti-pointsfix crowd has sunk to new lows indeed if they want you on their side, loki.
simpee wrote | its funny, no respected clanwar player other than u and ur admins have ever said pointfix improves gameplay in clanwars. so the fact that ur using a public players example of a public game rather than listening to the best players in the game to proove how clanwars are better with pointfix is ridiculus.
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What a surprise, my prediction on page eight turned out to be absolutely 100% accurate... yet again.
I said you would be COMPLETELY unable to refute my posts, and I said you wouldn't try to... you'd just skip over it and then carry on whingeing later on. It wasn't a tough guess because you've done it in every other pointsfix debate. You just can't handle losing, simple as that. Maybe it's because you're too thick to see you've lost at all.
Still, I'll respond to your post anyway, even though you don't deserve that from me, considering your unbelievable ignorance.
"its funny, no respected clanwar player other than u and ur admins have ever said pointfix improves gameplay in clanwars. so the fact that ur using a public players example of a public game rather than listening to the best players in the game to proove how clanwars are better with pointfix is ridiculus."
Are you a "respected clanwar player", then? Look at this thread. You've been arguing with "public players", like EWD and george zimmer, and guess what - they ran circles round you, as did I. EVERYTHING you said was completely refuted, and not just by me, but by these "public players".
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Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415412 is a reply to message #415408] |
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CarrierII wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 22:37 | And everyone knows public players are useless! (And that attitude is why I don't like CW.cc)
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i dislike the attitude too, but it's not the mainstream at clanwars anymore.
it's really just simpee and loki who have given that impression. loki cannot be counted as a clanwars player, he's been banned for months and nobody, absolutely nobody at clanwars has the slightest respect for him. as for simpee, he might be a "decent player" but he's also -a- thick as pigshit, and -b- extraordinarily dishonest. please don't judge everyone at clanwars by the appalling way he behaves in these debates... just do what i do, laugh at the fact he feebly tries to be condescending to people who are running intellectual circles round him at the time.
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Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415413 is a reply to message #415054] |
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btw if simpee wants to carry on whingeing about how it doesn't belong in clanwars, then i'll just repeat my earlier statement on the subject. i know he loves to pretend he didn't see anything he can't respond to, so if it's on page nine then he'll have to wait another page before he posts again!
Spoony wrote on Wed, 23 December 2009 07:12 | this is probably a good point for a declaration. from somebody who runs a league using the original renegade points system. i expect other servers using it might find it helpful too. when i get people asking me to use the points bug instead, or if people say the same at n00bstories / thekoss2 servers whatever, feel free to link to this too.
here we go. i'll put it all in nice red letters.
I'm not the only one with any explaining to do. The pointsfix is not the only "mod" that affects points; the pointsbug is basically a modification too, a mod that lets you get points for no reason etc. Indeed, since it's been conclusively proven that the pointsfix is the original Renegade points and economy system, the points bug is MORE of a modification than the "pointsfix" is. So it's not just the advocates of the pointsfix who have any explaining to do.
So here's a few questions for anyone who wants to tell me I should use their point mod.
1. please explain to me why it makes any kind of sense? because i've looked at it from all the angles and i simply don't see why it makes sense that you should get points for no reason, or more points than you're deserving.
2a. when you've answered 1, please explain why your answer should NOT apply to tanks when they have red/yellow health.
2b. when you've answered 1, please explain why your answer should NOT apply to infantry or structures.
3. please explain to me how it is good for balance, in a game where points are important, that unhelpful things can get far more points reward than far more helpful strategies? for example, there's an APC/tank threatening your base... why should your mod encourage people to shoot it ineffectually like an idiot, instead of doing something far more helpful like trying to kill it/push it back, maintain your buildings, or fix a teammate's tank?
4. please explain to me why defensive play ought to trump offensive play on maps like field, cityfly etc?
5. please explain to me why you don't mind maps like field, under and wallsfly being very stacked in favour of gdi?
6. in a game where the economy system is clearly important, please explain to me why you shouldn't have to EARN your credits instead of getting them for no good reason?
7. most of all, please explain to me how you came to the conclusion that your point mod is a good idea at all?
anyone telling me i ought to use their point mod in my servers, the mod that allows you to get points for absolutely no reason (which is far more of a "modification" than the pointsfix could ever be) - come back to me when you can answer these questions. If you can't answer any of them then don't waste your time, and don't show me any polls either (you're just showing me 20 people who can't answer any of these questions. it would be more effective in changing my mind to show me one person who can)
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Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415418 is a reply to message #415413] |
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Quote: | righto champ.
you try flaming me, you get proven completely wrong, and you skirt around it with a feeble post like this. you're making your side much much weaker by doing so. i'm saying that for your own benefit... take the advice i gave you earlier. there's absolutely no shame in admitting you were wrong in a debate, just like there's no shame in losing a game of renegade. the shame comes from when you try to act like it didn't happen or when you hold it against the person who defeated you. if you saw someone do it in renegade i'm sure you'd laugh at it... when you do it in debates i'm sure you don't realise you're doing it at all.
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A. I don't represent the anti-pointsfix at all, by no means do i make "my side look weaker".
B. I will never take advice from someone who can't take his own.
C. I was not wrong, as i posted an opinion, we already went over this, remember? (I feel like I am talking to a little kid here...)
D. You're ego shocks me, the fact that you think you "defeated me", just because of the fact i didn't come on to this forum for 1 weekend, and missed 2 pages of your random spamming, makes me laugh. Thanks though, i really needed a laugh.
E. I never came here with the intention to argue or debate, read through my posts, it's the last thing i wanted, you forced me on to it, because of the fact that you LOVE to argue, no matter the situation. It's what you are good at, so you do it as much as possible, by now even the retarded people can see that. You aren't defending the pointsfix as much as you are arguing for the sake of arguing here....get a new hobby.
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HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 17:03 | A. I don't represent the anti-pointsfix at all, by no means do i make "my side look weaker".
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you do, actually. the anti-pointsfix crowd's rallying call is basically "we may not be able to refute a single damn word you say, spoony, but there's a lot of us". if that's the case, then we can hold your side accountable for the behaviour of its members.
HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 17:03 | B. I will never take advice from someone who can't take his own.
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on what basis do you say that?
HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 17:03 | C. I was not wrong, as i posted an opinion, we already went over this, remember? (I feel like I am talking to a little kid here...)
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actually, a great many things you said were quite categorically wrong, and it makes you look worse to try to sidestep that. there's really no shame in admitting you were wrong... there really, really isn't.
HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 17:03 | D. You're ego shocks me, the fact that you think you "defeated me", just because of the fact i didn't come on to this forum for 1 weekend, and missed 2 pages of your random spamming, makes me laugh. Thanks though, i really needed a laugh.
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no, i think I (and a few others) "defeated" you in the debate because we successfully refuted everything you said. the point was hammered home by your violent reaction to it; the fact you desperately tried (and are still trying) to pretend it didn't happen, and the fact you want to bitch at people who've done nothing wrong to you, just because you can't handle losing an argument.
HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 17:03 | E. I never came here with the intention to argue or debate, read through my posts, it's the last thing i wanted, you forced me on to it, because of the fact that you LOVE to argue, no matter the situation. It's what you are good at, so you do it as much as possible, by now even the retarded people can see that. You aren't defending the pointsfix as much as you are arguing for the sake of arguing here....get a new hobby.
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more nonsense rhetoric. if you can't handle losing a debate, don't join it in the first place. it's like joining a renegade server and then complaining when the enemy kills you.
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Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415421 is a reply to message #413512] |
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Quote: | I didn't like the whole quote spam technique, so i went with letters, hopefully you can still read them.
| lmao, i should try this so that i can decide where spoony quotes, rather than let him tear it into little pieces that make no sesne on their own or completely change the meaning of what im trying to say.
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simpee wrote | lmao, i should try this so that i can decide where spoony quotes, rather than let him tear it into little pieces that make no sesne on their own or completely change the meaning of what im trying to say.
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like i said to hate, and like i've said to you many, many times, there's absolutely no shame in admitting you were wrong, and you've been wrong an absolutely staggering number of times. the only shame comes from when you try to pretend it didn't happen (which is exactly like losing a game and then pretending you didn't), or acting like the person who outwitted you did so unfairly (which is like calling someone an unfair player for no other reason than that they beat you). and that's exactly what you're doing here, and exactly what you've done in every single pointsfix debate you've participated in, without exception.
bottom line: i've completely smashed every point you've tried to make to pulp. i'm not the only one. these "public players" you love to talk down to... they ran intellectual circles round you too, not that that is difficult. that's the simple fact: i refuted all of your arguments, you couldn't refute any of mine. this fact doesn't mean i did anything unfair in winning the debate. there's no "changing the meaning of what you said", there's no "that make no sense on their own". you said things and i showed you very clearly why you were totally wrong. end of story.
nobody would think the less of you if you just conceded. but when you act like i did something wrong, or when you try to act like it didn't happen, you just prove to everybody what a sad little wretch you are who can't handle losing an argument.
but still, we're veering from the point, probably because you know you can't address it. i'll repeat it again just because i know how angry it makes you:
Spoony wrote on Wed, 23 December 2009 07:12 | this is probably a good point for a declaration. from somebody who runs a league using the original renegade points system. i expect other servers using it might find it helpful too. when i get people asking me to use the points bug instead, or if people say the same at n00bstories / thekoss2 servers whatever, feel free to link to this too.
here we go. i'll put it all in nice red letters.
I'm not the only one with any explaining to do. The pointsfix is not the only "mod" that affects points; the pointsbug is basically a modification too, a mod that lets you get points for no reason etc. Indeed, since it's been conclusively proven that the pointsfix is the original Renegade points and economy system, the points bug is MORE of a modification than the "pointsfix" is. So it's not just the advocates of the pointsfix who have any explaining to do.
So here's a few questions for anyone who wants to tell me I should use their point mod.
1. please explain to me why it makes any kind of sense? because i've looked at it from all the angles and i simply don't see why it makes sense that you should get points for no reason, or more points than you're deserving.
2a. when you've answered 1, please explain why your answer should NOT apply to tanks when they have red/yellow health.
2b. when you've answered 1, please explain why your answer should NOT apply to infantry or structures.
3. please explain to me how it is good for balance, in a game where points are important, that unhelpful things can get far more points reward than far more helpful strategies? for example, there's an APC/tank threatening your base... why should your mod encourage people to shoot it ineffectually like an idiot, instead of doing something far more helpful like trying to kill it/push it back, maintain your buildings, or fix a teammate's tank?
4. please explain to me why defensive play ought to trump offensive play on maps like field, cityfly etc?
5. please explain to me why you don't mind maps like field, under and wallsfly being very stacked in favour of gdi?
6. in a game where the economy system is clearly important, please explain to me why you shouldn't have to EARN your credits instead of getting them for no good reason?
7. most of all, please explain to me how you came to the conclusion that your point mod is a good idea at all?
anyone telling me i ought to use their point mod in my servers, the mod that allows you to get points for absolutely no reason (which is far more of a "modification" than the pointsfix could ever be) - come back to me when you can answer these questions. If you can't answer any of them then don't waste your time, and don't show me any polls either (you're just showing me 20 people who can't answer any of these questions. it would be more effective in changing my mind to show me one person who can)
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ha. a tech art is one of the most powerful things in the game. you need 2 meds to kill it. for killing it u get 80 points + a bit more for teching. for killing a single med u get the same amount of points, but wait a second, we need two meds to kill an art. ontop of that, 2 meds costs 1600, or 2300 with techs which you will need to stay alive. so a tech art costs 800 and 2 meds with techs costs 2300. then theres the fact that a tech'd art can easily fall behind the corner and be full in no time and the meds have to take time to repair, so youve gained 23 points for shooting him back for about 5 seconds, whilst taking a shitload of damage urself therfore not able to push any further or shoot buildings. NICE!
why should something just as powerful as 2 meds cost so much less, and worse still give away less points for killing it?
proof of the above is the fact that mesa is no longer played anymore, (go figure) and field is fucking shit because gdi holds the field for 10 minuites and only has a 600 point lead from killin the harv whilst a tech'd art and a light bashes the shit out of them. city fly is also gay and decided by boxes and a single tank fight.
my arguement is not the fact that it sucks not being able to shoot the harv with a ramjet, its the fact that u dont get enough points for tank fighting, it makes the game less fun(slower income, less battles) and that it imbalences the game. like it or not me and clear are the best two players actively playing this game, so please stop calling me stupid and telling me i dont know what im talking about. just sit back and watch as spoony answers everything i said by calling me a liar.
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HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 19:07 | You want us to admit we lost, to you make you look good?
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no, i don't care whether you admit it or not. i'm giving you that advice for your own benefit and for your own benefit alone.
HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 19:07 | Admitting to losing an argument i was never a part of will not happen. Admitting to losing an argument i did not lose will also never happen.
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have you ever played someone 1v1 and then after you raped them they denied all knowledge of the game? said it didn't happen? wouldn't that be a very sad thing for them to do?
if you can understand that, you ought to be able to understand the way you look to everybody right now.
HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 19:07 | Keep telling yourself you are right, and everyone knows it, eventually even you might begin to believe yourself.
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more nonsense rhetoric.
HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 19:07 | I've said things both good and bad about the pointsfix, yet i have only been attacked by pro pointsfix sides, what does that tell you?
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you haven't been attacked by anybody at all. we just responded to your posts explaining why an awful lot of what you said was completely wrong. you're the one who completely freaked out at that, you're the one who attacked ME out of anger.
HaTe wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 19:07 | Get it in your brain man, some people just won't follow you or your little pointsfixes, and some people see right through your little quote arguments.
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...and we're back to nonsense rhetoric.
one of these days you may eventually realise that the advice i gave you is actually pretty sound. there won't be a need for an apology, though... just chill out a little, losing a debate is no worse than losing a game, unless you make it worse for yourself by pretending it didn't happen or pretending the person who defeated you did something wrong in the process. what a surprise that everyone on the anti-pointsfix crowd is doing precisely that.
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**simpee dodges spoony's posts for the gazillionth time**
Spoony wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 17:30 |
simpee wrote | lmao, i should try this so that i can decide where spoony quotes, rather than let him tear it into little pieces that make no sesne on their own or completely change the meaning of what im trying to say.
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like i said to hate, and like i've said to you many, many times, there's absolutely no shame in admitting you were wrong, and you've been wrong an absolutely staggering number of times. the only shame comes from when you try to pretend it didn't happen (which is exactly like losing a game and then pretending you didn't), or acting like the person who outwitted you did so unfairly (which is like calling someone an unfair player for no other reason than that they beat you). and that's exactly what you're doing here, and exactly what you've done in every single pointsfix debate you've participated in, without exception.
bottom line: i've completely smashed every point you've tried to make to pulp. i'm not the only one. these "public players" you love to talk down to... they ran intellectual circles round you too, not that that is difficult. that's the simple fact: i refuted all of your arguments, you couldn't refute any of mine. this fact doesn't mean i did anything unfair in winning the debate. there's no "changing the meaning of what you said", there's no "that make no sense on their own". you said things and i showed you very clearly why you were totally wrong. end of story.
nobody would think the less of you if you just conceded. but when you act like i did something wrong, or when you try to act like it didn't happen, you just prove to everybody what a sad little wretch you are who can't handle losing an argument.
but still, we're veering from the point, probably because you know you can't address it. i'll repeat it again just because i know how angry it makes you:
Spoony wrote on Wed, 23 December 2009 07:12 | this is probably a good point for a declaration. from somebody who runs a league using the original renegade points system. i expect other servers using it might find it helpful too. when i get people asking me to use the points bug instead, or if people say the same at n00bstories / thekoss2 servers whatever, feel free to link to this too.
here we go. i'll put it all in nice red letters.
I'm not the only one with any explaining to do. The pointsfix is not the only "mod" that affects points; the pointsbug is basically a modification too, a mod that lets you get points for no reason etc. Indeed, since it's been conclusively proven that the pointsfix is the original Renegade points and economy system, the points bug is MORE of a modification than the "pointsfix" is. So it's not just the advocates of the pointsfix who have any explaining to do.
So here's a few questions for anyone who wants to tell me I should use their point mod.
1. please explain to me why it makes any kind of sense? because i've looked at it from all the angles and i simply don't see why it makes sense that you should get points for no reason, or more points than you're deserving.
2a. when you've answered 1, please explain why your answer should NOT apply to tanks when they have red/yellow health.
2b. when you've answered 1, please explain why your answer should NOT apply to infantry or structures.
3. please explain to me how it is good for balance, in a game where points are important, that unhelpful things can get far more points reward than far more helpful strategies? for example, there's an APC/tank threatening your base... why should your mod encourage people to shoot it ineffectually like an idiot, instead of doing something far more helpful like trying to kill it/push it back, maintain your buildings, or fix a teammate's tank?
4. please explain to me why defensive play ought to trump offensive play on maps like field, cityfly etc?
5. please explain to me why you don't mind maps like field, under and wallsfly being very stacked in favour of gdi?
6. in a game where the economy system is clearly important, please explain to me why you shouldn't have to EARN your credits instead of getting them for no good reason?
7. most of all, please explain to me how you came to the conclusion that your point mod is a good idea at all?
anyone telling me i ought to use their point mod in my servers, the mod that allows you to get points for absolutely no reason (which is far more of a "modification" than the pointsfix could ever be) - come back to me when you can answer these questions. If you can't answer any of them then don't waste your time, and don't show me any polls either (you're just showing me 20 people who can't answer any of these questions. it would be more effective in changing my mind to show me one person who can)
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oh, one last thing:
Quote: | you anywhere nearer that apology for what you and clear did on the jelly forums?
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btw simpee, in all my years of renegade and forums i have never ever ever seen anybody lose an argument as badly as you, never mind as often as you... are you trying to set a record or something?
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you really, really have mental problems. there's no other explanation for the way you act.
"everything you said" has ALREADY BEEN REFUTED, SEVERAL TIMES.
i predicted that you and nunega wouldn't be able to respond to my reply, nor would either of you have the balls to admit you were wrong. i also made a prediction that you wouldn't even have the good sense to stop arguing; you'd just repeat the same bullshit that has ALREADY BEEN PROVEN WRONG AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
as for dodging posts, IF WE COUNTED EVERY POST OF MINE YOU DODGED BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T THINK OF A REPLY, WE MIGHT HAVE REACHED A THOUSAND BY NOW.
i'm not gonna waste any more time on you until you prove you deserve it. you owe an enormous number of apologies, after the UNBELIEVABLE way you continually act towards me (someone who has not only done nothing wrong to you, but has done you a great many favours in this game). i see no reason, none at all, why i should carry on doing you the favour of letting you use my league at all.
christmas is a time for giving presents to people. in this case, however, i've been giving you a present every day for years in spite of the fact you treat me like shit. so i'm not going to give you any more until you prove to me you deserve any. my patience is extremely long, but it isn't infinite. anyone else would have banned you long before now.
if you're gonna talk to me again, then i advise you to start with quite a few sincere apologies.
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