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and what exactly is that "way" and what exactly is wrong with it?
if you can't fully and concisely answer that, then frankly you owe me an apology for comparing me to simpee.
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( [message #414654 is a reply to message #414653] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 06:15 |
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| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 07:04 |
That way is very argumentative and mathmatically. That itself is not bad at all
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good start!
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however you use it in such a way that, coupled with you constantly repeating phrases like "YOU LIED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN" makes you appear arrogant. Notice I said appear.
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i repeat it every time he does it, which is an absolutely staggering number of times, and every time he has the nerve to criticise *my* debate style. for example, in this thread he said that anyone agreeing with me must be "brainwashed by spoony" - what? do you have any idea how many times simpee has outright lied to the community to try to win pointsfix debates? whereas everything i've said has been entirely honest. stupidity like that is begging to be smacked down in the bluntest possible terms, and it doesn't make me arrogant if i don't stand for it.
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Also, I didnt compare you to simpee, i merely stated that your way of arguing has a similar outcome to simpees. Surely different methods can end in the same outcome?
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the same outcome? you're saying that when simpee lies to the community to try to win an argument, and i catch him red-handed, you consider this "the same outcome"? if so, you clearly don't value honesty very highly...
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( [message #414655 is a reply to message #414654] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 06:36 |
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| Spoony wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 14:15 |
| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 07:04 |
That way is very argumentative and mathmatically. That itself is not bad at all
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good start!
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however you use it in such a way that, coupled with you constantly repeating phrases like "YOU LIED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN" makes you appear arrogant. Notice I said appear.
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i repeat it every time he does it, which is an absolutely staggering number of times, and every time he has the nerve to criticise *my* debate style. for example, in this thread he said that anyone agreeing with me must be "brainwashed by spoony" - what? do you have any idea how many times simpee has outright lied to the community to try to win pointsfix debates? whereas everything i've said has been entirely honest. stupidity like that is begging to be smacked down in the bluntest possible terms, and it doesn't make me arrogant if i don't stand for it.
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EVERYTIME HE DOES IT - STAGGERING - OUTRIGHT LIED - ENTIRELY HONEST - its vocabulary like that. it makes people hostile and tedious. No matter how true it is.
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Also, I didnt compare you to simpee, i merely stated that your way of arguing has a similar outcome to simpees. Surely different methods can end in the same outcome?
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the same outcome? you're saying that when simpee lies to the community to try to win an argument, and i catch him red-handed, you consider this "the same outcome"? if so, you clearly don't value honesty very highly...
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No, i'm saying that neither of you gets anywhere by arguing in such a manner. You've debated this for what, a year now? Everybody who you can convince is already convinced and everybody else is a lost cause. All you do is turn away the people who would agree with you if you werent so insistent.
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Spoony, I'm afraid I do have to agree with him for some part. Your debating tactics may be pretty clean and legit, they are also rather hostile. Because of the hostile nature, people that didn't yet decide whether they are pro or con might choose the wrong stupid.
Anyone that follows these discussions even remotely know that most of the antipointfix camp are just repeating their stupid arguments which all come down to "OH NOES WE NEEDS MORE MONIES!". That is easy to refute, so let's just do that, instead of personally attacking the blatantly stupid person. Just for the sake of showing them that we are rational people that make rational choices based on logic and basic facts.
It doesn't matter that they are so stupid that they use the same arguments over and over, they are just tricking you in a personal assault. From an outsiders point of view, they seem like they're winning (if you only glance at what has been said, of course).
So basically, just for the pointfix discussion, cut back on the lier and other personal assaults and reason with them. Calling someone stupid is an opinion and can easily differ for other persons.
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( [message #414658 is a reply to message #414655] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 06:58 |
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EVERYTIME HE DOES IT - STAGGERING - OUTRIGHT LIED - ENTIRELY HONEST - its vocabulary like that. it makes people hostile and tedious. No matter how true it is.
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saying that simpee's lied to the community again and again and again is just a plain statement of fact. saying that i've been entirely honest in all these debates, as well as having posted masses of evidence and gone to incredible lengths to engage differing opinion, is a fact.
if saying these things offends you, it is ENTIRELY your problem. there is nothing wrong with these statements. this is a black-and-white issue.
you've made it very plain that in your mind, the problem isn't the despicable tactics used by people like simpee - the problem is spoony catches them redhanded and exposes them. congrats, anyone reading this thread can see you place absolutely no value on honesty.
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No, i'm saying that neither of you gets anywhere by arguing in such a manner. You've debated this for what, a year now? Everybody who you can convince is already convinced and everybody else is a lost cause. All you do is turn away the people who would agree with you if you werent so insistent.
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if someone is put off by the fact i keep smacking people like simpee down every time he does something incredibly pathetic, i can live without their support. you're saying: these people would be on my side if i let people get away with lying to the community all the time, rigging polls and lying about the results, sabotaging other people's communities if they choose to use the pointsfix...? you're saying that if i let people get away with all that crap unchallenged, other people would be on my side? if that's the way they think, i'm glad they're not on my side.
as for EWD, you're telling ME to reason with SIMPEE? you've missed a lot. eventually his endless stream of lies to the community to make me look bad got so extreme that i eventually said: if you carry on doing this, simpee, i'm gonna completely ignore everything you say from now on. lo and behold, he carried on doing it. i'm doing him a favour by still talking to him at all.
i've gone to unbelievable lengths to reason with this little shit, don't go telling me i need to go further.
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| Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( [message #414659 is a reply to message #414658] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 07:05 |
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| Spoony wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 07:58 |
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EVERYTIME HE DOES IT - STAGGERING - OUTRIGHT LIED - ENTIRELY HONEST - its vocabulary like that. it makes people hostile and tedious. No matter how true it is.
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saying that simpee's lied to the community again and again and again is just a plain statement of fact. saying that i've been entirely honest in all these debates, as well as having posted masses of evidence and gone to incredible lengths to engage differing opinion, is a fact.
if saying these things offends you, it is ENTIRELY your problem. there is nothing wrong with these statements. this is a black-and-white issue.
you've made it very plain that in your mind, the problem isn't the despicable tactics used by people like simpee - the problem is spoony catches them redhanded and exposes them. congrats, anyone reading this thread can see you place absolutely no value on honesty.
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No, In my mind, I dont care what fucking feud you have with simpee, clearshot, or anybody else. What I care about is seeing the pointsfix being implemented and integrated in as many servers&communities as possible because I believe it to be the right thing. If that means ignoring people like simpee lying, I will.
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No, i'm saying that neither of you gets anywhere by arguing in such a manner. You've debated this for what, a year now? Everybody who you can convince is already convinced and everybody else is a lost cause. All you do is turn away the people who would agree with you if you werent so insistent.
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if someone is put off by the fact i keep smacking people like simpee down every time he does something incredibly pathetic, i can live without their support. you're saying: these people would be on my side if i let people get away with lying to the community all the time, rigging polls and lying about the results, sabotaging other people's communities if they choose to use the pointsfix...? you're saying that if i let people get away with all that crap unchallenged, other people would be on my side? if that's the way they think, i'm glad they're not on my side.
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So you basically you'd rather bash some idiots then see the thing implemented you argued for over a year.
And im not even saying "let them get away with it unchallenged", but getting personal and hostile doesnt solve either problem.
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as for EWD, you're telling ME to reason with SIMPEE? you've missed a lot. eventually his endless stream of lies to the community to make me look bad got so extreme that i eventually said: if you carry on doing this, simpee, i'm gonna completely ignore everything you say from now on. lo and behold, he carried on doing it. i'm doing him a favour by still talking to him at all.
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You're not doing yourself a favour.
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Sun, 20 December 2009 07:41 |
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| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 08:05 |
No, In my mind, I dont care what fucking feud you have with simpee, clearshot, or anybody else.
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indeed not. you don't care that they actively sabotaged my league when i chose to use the pointsfix, through a campaign of lies, manipulation, rigging polls and lying about the results, etc etc etc. you don't care that they tried doing exactly the same to the public-server ladder on the jelly forum (undoubtedly the lowest point of clearshot's renecareer). but when i catch them, IT'S AN OUTRAGE!
the fact you don't give a shit about what they're doing but you jump all over my assertive reaction to it says a bit more about you than i think you realise.
| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 08:05 |
What I care about is seeing the pointsfix being implemented and integrated in as many servers&communities as possible because I believe it to be the right thing. If that means ignoring people like simpee lying, I will.
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now i don't even know what you're talking about.
| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 08:05 |
So you basically you'd rather bash some idiots then see the thing implemented you argued for over a year.
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...and again. why would you think that my intention here is to "bash some idiot"? no, but when people like simpee behave as UNBELIEVABLY pathetically, i'm gonna expose him for what he is.
| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 08:05 |
And im not even saying "let them get away with it unchallenged"
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actually, yes you are.
| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 08:05 |
but getting personal and hostile doesnt solve either problem.
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yes, it does... it humiliates him in front of everybody and puts him off trying the same thing again. i'm sorry, but when people do things as UNBELIEVABLY pathetic as some of the stuff simpee's done, the solution is not to meet him halfway, be polite with him... the solution is to bluntly expose him for what he is so he feels suitably chastised and learns some fucking honesty for the first time.
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You're not doing yourself a favour.
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that's right. i'm doing EWD a favour.
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Sun, 20 December 2009 08:07 |
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| Spoony wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 08:41 |
| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 08:05 |
No, In my mind, I dont care what fucking feud you have with simpee, clearshot, or anybody else.
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indeed not. you don't care that they actively sabotaged my league when i chose to use the pointsfix, through a campaign of lies, manipulation, rigging polls and lying about the results, etc etc etc. you don't care that they tried doing exactly the same to the public-server ladder on the jelly forum (undoubtedly the lowest point of clearshot's renecareer). but when i catch them, IT'S AN OUTRAGE!
the fact you don't give a shit about what they're doing but you jump all over my assertive reaction to it says a bit more about you than i think you realise.
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Im not jumping over it, im merely pointing it out.
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What I care about is seeing the pointsfix being implemented and integrated in as many servers&communities as possible because I believe it to be the right thing. If that means ignoring people like simpee lying, I will.
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now i don't even know what you're talking about.
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See my very first post.
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| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 08:05 |
So you basically you'd rather bash some idiots then see the thing implemented you argued for over a year.
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...and again. why would you think that my intention here is to "bash some idiot"? no, but when people like simpee behave as UNBELIEVABLY pathetically, i'm gonna expose him for what he is.
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Okay, now you exposed him and everybody knows that he's unbelievably pathetic. can we move on now?
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| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 08:05 |
And im not even saying "let them get away with it unchallenged"
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actually, yes you are.
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Okay, let me rephrase that then. if you want to "expose" them, do so without resorting to hostile language and dont bring it up in pointfix debates.
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| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 08:05 |
but getting personal and hostile doesnt solve either problem.
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yes, it does... it humiliates him in front of everybody and puts him off trying the same thing again. i'm sorry, but when people do things as UNBELIEVABLY pathetic as some of the stuff simpee's done, the solution is not to meet him halfway, be polite with him... the solution is to bluntly expose him for what he is so he feels suitably chastised and learns some fucking honesty for the first time.
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doesnt seem to have worked so far, does it?
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| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 08:05 |
You're not doing yourself a favour.
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that's right. i'm doing EWD a favour.
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[/quote]im sure he appreciates it.
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Gone for 1 day and 2 pages added, my god Spoony, if you think you got your point across, then stop posting. You are repeating the same things over and over again, and like Goztow said, no1 has changed their opinions. Who exactly are you posting to or for? Clearly it isn't to the people who are posting (anti-pointsfix crowd), and to me it just looks like you are trying to defend the pro pointsfix crowd as much as possible, by sitting on this topic all day, every day.
As soon as someone posts logic against you, you laugh at them, as soon as anyone posting nonsense, you repeat yourself a good 100 times, in different ways. What good has this done so far? Besides the fact that people follow you because they are scared of you or whatever, no1 has changed their opinions on the matter, based on your posts, as far as i can see. It bothers me that you sit here all day, when almost nobody opposing you has the time to even read through all of your posts. We don't sit on the forums all day, fighting nothing, like you.
Tell me, has anyone here changed their opinions based on this topic? No? Oh, then by all means, lets continue to argue, just for the sake of arguing. It's the one thing you are good at, so you do it as much as you possibly can. With as much practice you have, i hope to god you are good at. Though, i must say, you should change your strategies, people are starting to see right through the quote spam posts.
Have fun arguing all of this, that no1 will read, then sarcastically quoting this last part, in attempt to make a fool out of me. Stop being so damn predictable, god damn.
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Sun, 20 December 2009 09:31 |
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Gone for 1 day and 2 pages added, my god Spoony, if you think you got your point across, then stop posting. You are repeating the same things over and over again, and like Goztow said, no1 has changed their opinions.
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yes, that's a testament to the extraordinary ignorance of the anti-pointsfix crowd... this is nothing new, we've remarked upon it many times.
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Who exactly are you posting to or for? Clearly it isn't to the people who are posting (anti-pointsfix crowd), and to me it just looks like you are trying to defend the pro pointsfix crowd as much as possible, by sitting on this topic all day, every day.
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i don't understand your question. i'm debating the subject... what's the problem?
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As soon as someone posts logic against you, you laugh at them
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who are you talking about here?
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as soon as anyone posting nonsense, you repeat yourself a good 100 times, in different ways.
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lost me again, i'm afraid.
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Besides the fact that people follow you because they are scared of you or whatever
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...oh my. who here do you think is "scared" of me? i've gotta hear this.
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no1 has changed their opinions on the matter, based on your posts, as far as i can see.
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that just shows your own ignorance. look how wrong you've been. you're proclaiming that you aren't going to change your mind no matter what? that's an argument against the guy who just proved you wrong, is it?
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It bothers me that you sit here all day, when almost nobody opposing you has the time to even read through all of your posts. We don't sit on the forums all day, fighting nothing, like you.
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you've posted a lot too. don't be pissed off just because i'm not wrong so often as you were; it's the debate equivalent of a sore loser, nothing more.
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Oh, then by all means, lets continue to argue, just for the sake of arguing.
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...or because it's an important subject.
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It's the one thing you are good at, so you do it as much as you possibly can.
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again, try to control your bitterness at the fact someone is better at debating than you are. you've certainly tried very hard, anyone reading this thread can see that... and there's nothing wrong with that, but don't humiliate yourself by acting like there's something wrong when I do the same far more successfully.
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Though, i must say, you should change your strategies, people are starting to see right through the quote spam posts.
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...and one of these days maybe someone like you will refute a single thing i say about the pointsfix, or is that too much to aspire to? again, if you're angry at the fact you can't disprove anything i've said, it's your problem. doesn't make me the bad guy.
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Have fun arguing all of this, that no1 will read, then sarcastically quoting this last part, in attempt to make a fool out of me.
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I don't need to make a fool out of you. When you displayed your bitterness at losing an argument and tried to make yourself feel better by acting like I did something wrong in responding to your statements, you made a fool out of yourself.
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Im not jumping over it, im merely pointing it out.
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it's the only thing you make a point of criticising, and that says a lot.
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Okay, now you exposed him and everybody knows that he's unbelievably pathetic. can we move on now?
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...you'd better ask him that. i had a dim hope this would be the first pointsfix debate he participated in in which he DIDN'T do something incredibly sad. it wasn't. and when i caught him, you're asking ME if we can move on?
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Okay, let me rephrase that then. if you want to "expose" them, do so without resorting to hostile language
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ok, so... when he lies to the community to try to make me look bad, what do you suggest i call him instead of "liar"? i'm all ears.
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and dont bring it up in pointfix debates.
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sure, just as soon as he stops doing it in pointsfix debates, but he does it in non-pointsfix debates too, so no promises.
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doesnt seem to have worked so far, does it?
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actually, you'd be surprised how many times he's stopped posting out of sheer humiliation, then started a new argument several months later in the hope that everyone won't see his previous bullshit and my scathing destruction of it.
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| Spoony wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 10:31 |
| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 09:07 |
Im not jumping over it, im merely pointing it out.
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it's the only thing you make a point of criticising,
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Simpee is too ignorant to be worth debating with, so what else is there worth pointing out?
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and that says a lot.
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exactly the style of writing im talking about.
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Okay, now you exposed him and everybody knows that he's unbelievably pathetic. can we move on now?
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...you'd better ask him that. i had a dim hope this would be the first pointsfix debate he participated in in which he DIDN'T do something incredibly sad. it wasn't. and when i caught him, you're asking ME if we can move on?
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again, its obvious HE cant move on, so i'm not even bothering.
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Okay, let me rephrase that then. if you want to "expose" them, do so without resorting to hostile language
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ok, so... when he lies to the community to try to make me look bad, what do you suggest i call him instead of "liar"? i'm all ears.
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dont resort to semantics. its not the use of the word liar, its BEING CAUGHT RED HANDED LYING AGAIN AND AGAIN (capslockemphasis added by me).
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and dont bring it up in pointfix debates.
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sure, just as soon as he stops doing it in pointsfix debates, but he does it in non-pointsfix debates too, so no promises.
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reminds me of the debate on minarets in switzerland. "Well they dont allow churches in their islamic countries either, WHY SHOULD WE BE ANY BETTER?"
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doesnt seem to have worked so far, does it?
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actually, you'd be surprised how many times he's stopped posting out of sheer humiliation, then started a new argument several months later in the hope that everyone won't see his previous bullshit and my scathing destruction of it.
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| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 10:52 |
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and that says a lot.
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exactly the style of writing im talking about.
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Ah, so it's italics you object to, is it? I'm still not really getting it.
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Okay, now you exposed him and everybody knows that he's unbelievably pathetic. can we move on now?
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...you'd better ask him that. i had a dim hope this would be the first pointsfix debate he participated in in which he DIDN'T do something incredibly sad. it wasn't. and when i caught him, you're asking ME if we can move on?
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again, its obvious HE cant move on, so i'm not even bothering.
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perhaps you should. perhaps if more people called him out on it instead of just leaving me to do it and criticising me for doing so, he might get the message.
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Okay, let me rephrase that then. if you want to "expose" them, do so without resorting to hostile language
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ok, so... when he lies to the community to try to make me look bad, what do you suggest i call him instead of "liar"? i'm all ears.
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dont resort to semantics. its not the use of the word liar, its BEING CAUGHT RED HANDED LYING AGAIN AND AGAIN (capslockemphasis added by me).
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i still don't follow you. so it's fine to call him a liar, but emphasing the point is "hostile"?
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and dont bring it up in pointfix debates.
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sure, just as soon as he stops doing it in pointsfix debates, but he does it in non-pointsfix debates too, so no promises.
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reminds me of the debate on minarets in switzerland. "Well they dont allow churches in their islamic countries either, WHY SHOULD WE BE ANY BETTER?"
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no, because i'm not saying "well, why should I act any better than simpee?" i'd never do the stuff he's done no matter what the provocation.
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doesnt seem to have worked so far, does it?
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actually, you'd be surprised how many times he's stopped posting out of sheer humiliation, then started a new argument several months later in the hope that everyone won't see his previous bullshit and my scathing destruction of it.
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exactly. it is partially successful. i don't claim it's entirely successful, but it's better than nothing.
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btw, I want proof of you having once fucked jesus. pics or it didnt happen.
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wtf, nobody else has to prove their religious claims! now give me automatic seats in parliament, control over thousands of schools, laws preventing criticism of me and i don't want to pay tax.
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| HaTe wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 11:29 |
Explain to me how i lost the argument, if it continues? Ego much?
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might wanna read page four buddy. it's not egotistical to say you lost that one pretty badly, look how many things you were wrong about. it's not a small number.
the sad part is, you said you'd love to be proven wrong. that didn't turn out to be very accurate...
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| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 11:34 |
its not ego, its just the fact that hes delusional
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I think i'm just gonna put you on ignore now, and advise the rest of TT to do the same. after all, i've given you plenty of warnings and advised you god knows how many times to try being honest for a change... you just carry on lying to the community to try to get what you want. i've tried to do you a favour by pointing out how much damage you're doing to your own credibility, but you're just too thick to see it... i think you've got some very serious mental problems, either that or your parents just didn't teach you the value of honesty.
do yourself a favour, apologise to me for what you and clear did, then be entirely honest in these debates from now on. you've received much more patience than you deserve.
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and that says a lot.
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exactly the style of writing im talking about.
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Ah, so it's italics you object to, is it? I'm still not really getting it.
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How does it say a lot? Its like youre saying im a malevolent dishonest person without any integrity or sense of honesty - dramatically speaking -, just because i happened to debate with you instead of with simpee.
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Okay, now you exposed him and everybody knows that he's unbelievably pathetic. can we move on now?
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...you'd better ask him that. i had a dim hope this would be the first pointsfix debate he participated in in which he DIDN'T do something incredibly sad. it wasn't. and when i caught him, you're asking ME if we can move on?
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again, its obvious HE cant move on, so i'm not even bothering.
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perhaps you should. perhaps if more people called him out on it instead of just leaving me to do it and criticising me for doing so, he might get the message.
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Yeah, like when George Zimmer did that and Simpee said "LOLO FFAG ROFL" and then continued being batshit insane. They will never, ever, ever get the message.
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Okay, let me rephrase that then. if you want to "expose" them, do so without resorting to hostile language
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ok, so... when he lies to the community to try to make me look bad, what do you suggest i call him instead of "liar"? i'm all ears.
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dont resort to semantics. its not the use of the word liar, its BEING CAUGHT RED HANDED LYING AGAIN AND AGAIN (capslockemphasis added by me).
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i still don't follow you. so it's fine to call him a liar, but emphasing the point is "hostile"?
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calling the way you react to any of simpees post "placing emphasis" would be an understatement, but you may not be aware of this. its hard to properly see ones own writing style.
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and dont bring it up in pointfix debates.
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sure, just as soon as he stops doing it in pointsfix debates, but he does it in non-pointsfix debates too, so no promises.
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reminds me of the debate on minarets in switzerland. "Well they dont allow churches in their islamic countries either, WHY SHOULD WE BE ANY BETTER?"
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no, because i'm not saying "well, why should I act any better than simpee?" i'd never do the stuff he's done no matter what the provocation.
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You said you'd stop just as soon as he would, but there simply is no point in that.
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doesnt seem to have worked so far, does it?
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actually, you'd be surprised how many times he's stopped posting out of sheer humiliation, then started a new argument several months later in the hope that everyone won't see his previous bullshit and my scathing destruction of it.
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exactly. it is partially successful. i don't claim it's entirely successful, but it's better than nothing.
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its not a lot considering how many people are put off by all of these tedious debates in return. like this one. which is why im gonna stop after this post.
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| surth? / surth! wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 10:52 |
btw, I want proof of you having once fucked jesus. pics or it didnt happen.
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wtf, nobody else has to prove their religious claims! now give me automatic seats in parliament, control over thousands of schools, laws preventing criticism of me and i don't want to pay tax.
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You're only a religion if you have enough devotees. right now youre just a sect. like islam. or buddhism. or anything else that doesnt rhyme with fistianity!
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