| Re: List your HL2 Quotes [message #412322 is a reply to message #412300] |
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JohnDoe
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| Dover wrote on Thu, 26 November 2009 10:33 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 26 November 2009 07:04 |
Halo has a better story by default.
Half Life 2 barely has a story at all! The entire game being given little information, then getting from point A to point B to learn a little more information, then going from point B to point C.
The only reason why it's good is because of what I mentioned above.
You could probably put the entire HL2 story on 1 or 2 pages of paper it's so short. If you were to put Halo's story on paper, it would reach dozens. Maybe even into the hundreds.
Also, Halo isn't just about Master Chief. He's just some guy who ended the fight. The war goes on for decades before Master Chief is even born.
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Halo's story is just a loose collection of clinches, and would fit in a paragraph, taunts include:
Generic humans with power suits, supersoldiers, and space marines (Oorginal!) are in a war against some hive minded aliens that infest people (Which are not rip-offs of the Zerg from StarCraft!) called "The Flood" (Totally not a synonym for "The Scourge"!) that are controlled by an ugly-as-fuck creature called "The Gravemind" (Completely different from The Overmind from StarCraft!), and against a different alien society with wacko religious beliefs and a rigid caste system that's slowly leading to their demise (Not the Protoss, because they're bad guys lol!). Eventually, one of their Heroes who never shows his face narrowly saves the Earth by making some sacrifice and using (What turns out to be) good 'ol Human technology and ingenuity. Yawn.
You can go into more detail than that, but it would be like including every Hand of Nod that Havoc blows up in Renegade in a description of the C&C story.
Half Life doesn't have the sheer AMOUNT of story that the Halo series does (Probably because Valve aren't one-trick ponies and develop other series also, and Bungie don't), but they make up for it with an original plot and original gameplay. That's why Half-Life is consistently scored above Halo by basically every game critic who's opinion you'd care to take.
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Looking for originality in Sci-Fi? OMG Half-Life ripped off Matrix, Star Wars, War of the Worlds and a whole lotta other shit...how generic! stfu
Half-Life series dialogue: 90% "Hello Gordon, let me help you!" 5% "Watch me fire up this protoion megadisplensor...yikes! I forgot to initiate stage 3!" 4%" Nice butt, Gordon." 1% "I'm the G-Man and I ordered the Matrix DVD set so that I could watch the scenes with the Oracle and the Architect over and over again."
Shit is weak and now their whole plot relies on Episode 3 delivering - otherwise the whole franchise's story will be exposed as a gimmick.
How are you gonna call Bungie one trick ponies when Marathon and Halo are two of the most highly rated and influential gaming series in history. What has Valve done that kept them from writing a proper story? Left 4 Dead? Yes, that's the pinnacle of originality. Portal? Clearly story-driven.
Halo (2001) 97
Halo 2 (2004) 95
Halo 3 (2007) 94
Halo 3: ODST (2009) 83
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Half-Life (1998) 96
Half-Life 2 (2004) 96
Half-Life 2: Episode One (2006) 87
Half-Life 2: Episode Two (2007) 90
Metacritic > your bullshit. Halo's DNA is found in practically every big budget FPS nowadays...must've been a very unoriginal game!
I can understand where your Valve bias is coming from, tho:
 
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| Re: List your HL2 Quotes [message #412354 is a reply to message #412061] |
Thu, 26 November 2009 18:59 |
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No, you misunderstood what I said, Dover.
Dialogue is not story. The Halo franchise spans over decades. It's like Star Wars in that you can pick a year and dive into a unique situation happening at that time.
HL2 Is nothing more than a journey of some guy across a long distance. It's a very short story elongated by large levels, intuitive gameplay and dialogue.
My point with the papes that I mentioned is this: if you were to cut out the gameplay from each of the games and just tell a story, you can go on for hours reciting Halo's story, were as HL2's story would just be "Dr. Freeman went here, then he went there."
It's not about story quality or cliches or anything of that nature. One story is simply bigger scale than the other one. That's what the word 'epic' means.
The bottom line:
Halo and HL are both good games and are fun to play... but they are good for entirely different reasons. HL isn't good because of its story, but because of its gameplay.
(Edit: That's not to say that HL's story is bad. It's just not it's main attraction.)
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| Re: List your HL2 Quotes [message #412357 is a reply to message #412061] |
Thu, 26 November 2009 19:21 |
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Personally I didn't find the game very fun, and yet people are still talking about it 5 years later and if it were the best that ever happened. As for the Halo series, I do find the gameplay a lot of fun, but overrated as well.
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| Re: List your HL2 Quotes [message #412389 is a reply to message #412061] |
Fri, 27 November 2009 08:30 |
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Poor analogy...the number of people playing multiplayer years after a game is released gives a good indication of how enjoyable a game is past the hype. I'm sure WoW is a good game, it's just not my type of game.
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| Re: List your HL2 Quotes [message #412400 is a reply to message #412399] |
Fri, 27 November 2009 10:50 |
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| surth? / surth! wrote on Fri, 27 November 2009 11:23 |
the fact that the average age of halo players is amazingly low could also gives a good indication of the fact that it is mostly enjoyed by people who are easily enjoyed, so no, i disagree, players playing are not a good indicator.
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Well, the average age of a US gamer is 35 years old, and seeing as XBL requires the use of a credit card for subscription, and decent income for games, I figured the average age of a Halo player would actually be in their mid-twenties. :/
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| Re: List your HL2 Quotes [message #412408 is a reply to message #412400] |
Fri, 27 November 2009 11:33 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 27 November 2009 11:50 |
| surth? / surth! wrote on Fri, 27 November 2009 11:23 |
the fact that the average age of halo players is amazingly low could also gives a good indication of the fact that it is mostly enjoyed by people who are easily enjoyed, so no, i disagree, players playing are not a good indicator.
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Well, the average age of a US gamer is 35 years old, and seeing as XBL requires the use of a credit card for subscription, and decent income for games, I figured the average age of a Halo player would actually be in their mid-twenties. :/
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35?
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| Re: List your HL2 Quotes [message #412410 is a reply to message #412408] |
Fri, 27 November 2009 11:40 |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 27 November 2009 12:33 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 27 November 2009 11:50 |
| surth? / surth! wrote on Fri, 27 November 2009 11:23 |
the fact that the average age of halo players is amazingly low could also gives a good indication of the fact that it is mostly enjoyed by people who are easily enjoyed, so no, i disagree, players playing are not a good indicator.
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Well, the average age of a US gamer is 35 years old, and seeing as XBL requires the use of a credit card for subscription, and decent income for games, I figured the average age of a Halo player would actually be in their mid-twenties. :/
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35?
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yeah, where'd you get that number? fairly interesting 
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| Re: List your HL2 Quotes [message #412491 is a reply to message #412430] |
Sat, 28 November 2009 06:31 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Fri, 27 November 2009 16:32 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 27 November 2009 10:30 |
...I'm sure WoW is a good game...
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WoW isn't a game; It's a drug.
It's like heroin that causes obesity and lack of time.
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I agree, it looks pretty fun however. I was thinking of trying it and stuff but it takes alot of time. I don't really have time for it, or at least not as much time that my sister puts into it.
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| Re: List your HL2 Quotes [message #412540 is a reply to message #412410] |
Sat, 28 November 2009 13:58 |
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| surth? / surth! wrote on Fri, 27 November 2009 19:40 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 27 November 2009 12:33 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 27 November 2009 11:50 |
| surth? / surth! wrote on Fri, 27 November 2009 11:23 |
the fact that the average age of halo players is amazingly low could also gives a good indication of the fact that it is mostly enjoyed by people who are easily enjoyed, so no, i disagree, players playing are not a good indicator.
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Well, the average age of a US gamer is 35 years old, and seeing as XBL requires the use of a credit card for subscription, and decent income for games, I figured the average age of a Halo player would actually be in their mid-twenties. :/
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35?
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yeah, where'd you get that number? fairly interesting
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Here's a link:
http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE57K06L20090821
This stuff came out a couple months ago. Still, they only had about like, 550-some subjects, and they didn't include people under 19, so the number is easily skewed upwards. But I'd say late twenties, early 30's would be the average age, even with people under 19 included.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: List your HL2 Quotes [message #412542 is a reply to message #412061] |
Sat, 28 November 2009 14:21 |
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JohnDoe
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Nah, with people under 19 included, you'll be looking at something around 24/25...regardless, I doubt the average Halo gamers is considerably less mature than the average Half-Life gamer. After all, Counter-Strike players were considered the most immature group of misfits known to online gaming - not sure if they still are.
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