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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:49 |
If you learn something faulty, you haven't learned anything at all. Worse, you're under the impression that you HAVE learned something, and tend to spread your misinformation around. Not to mention when you learn something faulty, you're less likely to correct your ignorance, since you're unaware you are ignorant.
So yeah, basically, learning nothing > "learning" something that isn't true.
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lol, idiot. You can not know wether information is correct or incorrect before you learn the actual information. Therefore, learning anything > learning nothing. Following your theory, you advise to never learn anything, now that isn't ignorant at all...
Oh and, theory is correct when deduction and induction are used correctly untill someone proves it is not. That's how it works.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410515 is a reply to message #410512] |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:56 |
You're mixing up your analogies, ZIMMER. You're comparing strong observations like "Every fire ever observed hurts people" to weak ones like "I saw this girl this one time on Counter-Strike and she was a real attention whore". If the threshold for truth was so low, then all I would have to do is say "JohnDoe is a real faggot. He's also German, according to the little flag next to his name. All Germans must be faggots". In fact, I'd have extra support for my claim since I could also point to Madrackz. Regardless, that wouldn't make my claim any more true. I'm sure there is a German out there who isn't a huge throbbing faggot.
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And you've got it in your head that I'm basing my claims upon one example. I am not. I'm basing them upon NUMEROUS examples, personal experience, the experience of others, various facts (women tend to want the attention more than men, on average... atleast in most first world countries), and etc. Not upon one specific example.
Also, if you had a good lot of personal experience with Germans, a good lot of people you've talked to agree with you and have their own personal experience, and you're claiming a specific group of Germans (the ones you have the most experience with; I'll just say gamers here), yes, you very well could say that the majority of German gamers are asshats. I wouldn't necessarily believe you, sure, but if you and multiple people agreed, I'd believe that you have good reason to not want to game with Germans.
This all of course being an example following yours, not actually saying anything here (so no offense to our German friends here at renforums).
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410516 is a reply to message #410514] |
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| SSADMVR wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:02 |
lol, idiot. You can not know wether information is correct or incorrect before you learn the actual information. Therefore, learning anything > learning nothing. Following your theory, you advise to never learn anything, now that isn't ignorant at all...
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Someone hasn't been following the thread...
| SSADMVR wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:02 |
Oh and, theory is correct when deduction and induction are used correctly untill someone proves it is not. That's how it works.
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No, that isn't how it works, because induction can never prove anything. Ever.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410517 is a reply to message #410512] |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 16:56 |
If the threshold for truth was so low, then all I would have to do is say "JohnDoe is a real faggot. He's also German, according to the little flag next to his name. All Germans must be faggots". In fact, I'd have extra support for my claim since I could also point to Madrackz. Regardless, that wouldn't make my claim any more true. I'm sure there is a German out there who isn't a huge throbbing faggot.
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That theory would be academically correct. Premises are correct, so the outcome is too. You are sure there are Germans that are not faggots, but you do not KNOW.
Well, not entirely true because the example is retarded. Weither or not someone is a faggot is not a fact. Therefore can never be a premise.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410518 is a reply to message #410516] |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:04 |
| SSADMVR wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:02 |
lol, idiot. You can not know wether information is correct or incorrect before you learn the actual information. Therefore, learning anything > learning nothing. Following your theory, you advise to never learn anything, now that isn't ignorant at all...
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Someone hasn't been following the thread...
| SSADMVR wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:02 |
Oh and, theory is correct when deduction and induction are used correctly untill someone proves it is not. That's how it works.
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No, that isn't how it works, because induction can never prove anything. Ever.
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Combined with deduction it can, notice the "and". And no, I didn't read all the thread. But what you wrote was wrong, so I corrected you.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410520 is a reply to message #410515] |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:04 |
And you've got it in your head that I'm basing my claims upon one example. I am not. I'm basing them upon NUMEROUS examples, personal experience, the experience of others, various facts (women tend to want the attention more than men, on average... atleast in most first world countries), and etc. Not upon one specific example.
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And you think that is enough to prove that all women are attention whores, or that at the very least enough of them are as to be grounds for automatic disqualification in something so simple as an online friendship?
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:04 |
Also, if you had a good lot of personal experience with Germans, a good lot of people you've talked to agree with you and have their own personal experience, and you're claiming a specific group of Germans (the ones you have the most experience with; I'll just say gamers here), yes, you very well could say that the majority of German gamers are asshats. I wouldn't necessarily believe you, sure, but if you and multiple people agreed, I'd believe that you have good reason to not want to game with Germans.
This all of course being an example following yours, not actually saying anything here (so no offense to our German friends here at renforums).
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I meant that as an example of why inductive reasoning doesn't work. Of course not all Germans (On renforums or otherwise) are asshats, but that doesn't mean that the asshats aren't here, and that just proves my point that induction is shit. If I tried to make such a point, all you would have to do is point to a German Renforum member who isn't a faggot. If you tried to say all female gamers are attention whores, all I have to do is find one who isn't (For example, Crimson, who is both female and a gamer but pretty lax on the attention whoring. If anything, she's quite the opposite and keeps a pretty low profile considering her high standing in the community). Understand?
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410522 is a reply to message #410518] |
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| SSADMVR wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:07 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 16:56 |
If the threshold for truth was so low, then all I would have to do is say "JohnDoe is a real faggot. He's also German, according to the little flag next to his name. All Germans must be faggots". In fact, I'd have extra support for my claim since I could also point to Madrackz. Regardless, that wouldn't make my claim any more true. I'm sure there is a German out there who isn't a huge throbbing faggot.
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That theory would be academically correct. Premises are correct, so the outcome is too. You are sure there are Germans that are not faggots, but you do not KNOW.
Well, not entirely true because the example is retarded. Weither or not someone is a faggot is not a fact. Therefore can never be a premise.
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No. It isn't academically correct. The premise goes from the specific to the general, and ignores the possibility of any kind exception (In fact, it ignores the possibility that the observation may be the exception, and the greater majority wouldn't follow the "rule").
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:04 |
| SSADMVR wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:02 |
lol, idiot. You can not know wether information is correct or incorrect before you learn the actual information. Therefore, learning anything > learning nothing. Following your theory, you advise to never learn anything, now that isn't ignorant at all...
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Someone hasn't been following the thread...
| SSADMVR wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:02 |
Oh and, theory is correct when deduction and induction are used correctly untill someone proves it is not. That's how it works.
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No, that isn't how it works, because induction can never prove anything. Ever.
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Combined with deduction it can, notice the "and". And no, I didn't read all the thread. But what you wrote was wrong, so I corrected you.
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You're wrong. It's not "and". It's just deductive reasoning. Inductive reasoning alone can't prove anything. Deductive reasoning alone can. By adding induction, you haven't added anything to your evidence. Deduction is still doing all the logical heavy lifting.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410525 is a reply to message #410524] |
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| SSADMVR wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:11 |
Btw, lol @ this guy trying to explain why a theory, in which all highly educated people operate and believe, is wrong.
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Lol. "All highly educated people". Who are these people you're talking about, exactly?
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410527 is a reply to message #410520] |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:08 |
And you think that is enough to prove that all women are attention whores, or that at the very least enough of them are as to be grounds for automatic disqualification in something so simple as an online friendship?
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Sigh, how many times do I have to say it- I did not say "all", nor do I think Oblivion is implying all of them are not worth it. But the MAJORITY (51% or more when it comes to two options, majority does not mean 99% lol) of female gamers, through my personal experience and the experience of others aswell as numerous facts, are most likely attention whores. I cannot say the exact number because I haven't met every single person- instead, I'm using logic (and a couple facts) to make a generalization.
And yes, if the majority follow a pattern that a person dislikes, it is grounds for disqualification. If you dealt drugs in your life, then most companies won't accept you. That's just how it works. I could go into a further debate as to why it works how it works and that it's not as bad as people make it out to be, but I'd be re-using a good lot of my arguments that I've already laid out.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:08 |
I meant that as an example of why inductive reasoning doesn't work. Of course not all Germans (On renforums or otherwise) are asshats, but that doesn't mean that the asshats aren't here, and that just proves my point that induction is shit. If I tried to make such a point, all you would have to do is point to a German Renforum member who isn't a faggot. If you tried to say all female gamers are attention whores, all I have to do is find one who isn't (For example, Crimson, who is both female and a gamer but pretty lax on the attention whoring. If anything, she's quite the opposite and keeps a pretty low profile considering her high standing in the community). Understand?
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I know you meant it as an example, and I used that example to still say if you were to apply it correctly, it could stand as a fairly strong reasoning to not want to game with Germans. I wouldn't bother with having to prove you wrong (assuming you WERE wrong) if you have personal experience, the claims of others, and a couple facts to strengthen your reason. It'd only be if you were trying to get Germans banned that I'd then bother with proving you wrong. But if you simply did not want to game with them, that's a different ball park.
Also no, that's not how it works, dumbass. That's like saying the whole theory of evolution is wrong because one Christian said it was wrong. Infact, that's one of the most fucking retarded things I've ever read on here.
I don't get why you're incapable of understanding that some people just don't want to fucking play with female gamers sometimes. People have preferences, and people have things they specifically do not want. I don't like boring games, therefore I won't play them. I don't like playing in social games with people who can't speak English, therefore I won't bother playing with them (usually, anyways).
I think you've been so goddamn hypnotized by America's recent mentality of "YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT EVERYONE AND LOVE EVERYONE LOL" that you honestly believe people shouldn't have the right to have their own goddamn opinions based on their personal experiences to justify not wanting to do certain things with people.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410530 is a reply to message #410527] |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:20 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:08 |
And you think that is enough to prove that all women are attention whores, or that at the very least enough of them are as to be grounds for automatic disqualification in something so simple as an online friendship?
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Sigh, how many times do I have to say it- I did not say "all", nor do I think Oblivion is implying all of them are not worth it. But the MAJORITY (51% or more when it comes to two options, majority does not mean 99% lol) of female gamers, through my personal experience and the experience of others aswell as numerous facts, are most likely attention whores. I cannot say the exact number because I haven't met every single person- instead, I'm using logic (and a couple facts) to make a generalization.
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Derp.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:20 |
I know you meant it as an example, and I used that example to still say if you were to apply it correctly, it could stand as a fairly strong reasoning to not want to game with Germans. I wouldn't bother with having to prove you wrong (assuming you WERE wrong) if you have personal experience, the claims of others, and a couple facts to strengthen your reason. It'd only be if you were trying to get Germans banned that I'd then bother with proving you wrong. But if you simply did not want to game with them, that's a different ball park.
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You're missing the point. If I believed that, I WOULD be wrong, and my right to hold those beliefs and be wrong wouldn't make me any less wrong. That example isn't strong reasoning, it's very weak reasoning, first and foremost because the conclusion it reaches is wrong, and it would take very little effort to prove that it's wrong.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:20 |
Also no, that's not how it works, dumbass. That's like saying the whole theory of evolution is wrong because one Christian said it was wrong. Infact, that's one of the most fucking retarded things I've ever read on here.
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No. It's more like saying creationism is wrong because the theory of evolution lays out a logical and well-thought alternative that better explains how life came to be. One side has logic and reasoning on it's side, and the other doesn't.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:20 |
I don't get why you're incapable of understanding that some people just don't want to fucking play with female gamers sometimes. People have preferences, and people have things they specifically do not want. I do't like boring games, therefore I won't play them. I don't like playing in social games with people who can't speak English, therefore I won't bother playing with them.
I think you've been so goddamn hypnotized by America's recent mentality of "YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT EVERYONE AND LOVE EVERYONE LOL" that you honestly believe people shouldn't have the right to have their own goddamn opinions based on their personal experiences to justify not wanting to do certain things with people.
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Oh, people can have their own opinions, and I'm not passing judgment on you or Oblivion or that faggot JohnDoe for thinking females are attention whores. All I'm saying is that (if you actually hold those beliefs) you're wrong. America's recent mentality and your opinions about it don't change that.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410537 is a reply to message #410313] |
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For anyone still arguing seriously with Pasty McDoublechin: Females don't even have to be attention whores...she can do everything right, but as soon as one nerd starts some pathetic flirt attempt, Oblivion would've been better off choosing a guy. Thank me later!
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410541 is a reply to message #410540] |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:45 |
Pasty McDoublechin, you missed the point.
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Normally when you make a claim like that, you follow it by explaining how I've missed the point. Care to explain?
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410545 is a reply to message #410530] |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:28 |
Derp.
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Edited the post because I forgot to address that (before you replied actually lol)
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:28 |
You're missing the point. If I believed that, I WOULD be wrong, and my right to hold those beliefs and be wrong wouldn't make me any less wrong. That example isn't strong reasoning, it's very weak reasoning, first and foremost because the conclusion it reaches is wrong, and it would take very little effort to prove that it's wrong.
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If you have a good amount of personal experiences, other people do, and a couple facts to back it up, and there is no alternative study, how is it wrong? Assuming you're saying "most Germans" rather than "All Germans" (still following the example). Once again, no society or group takes on the characteristics of its exceptions.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:28 |
No. It's more like saying creationism is wrong because the theory of evolution lays out a logical and well-thought alternative that better explains how life came to be. One side has logic and reasoning on it's side, and the other doesn't.
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Except you explicitly said "If you pointed to an exception, it would be disproven". That would only be true if I said "all of ___ are ___". Which I'm not. Yes, a well-thought out alternative that better explains something is good. Except there isn't one for this, so yeah. Feel free to make one, still waiting for it, lol.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:28 |
Oh, people can have their own opinions, and I'm not passing judgment on you or Oblivion or that faggot JohnDoe for thinking females are attention whores. All I'm saying is that (if you actually hold those beliefs) you're wrong. America's recent mentality and your opinions about it don't change that.
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Because one guy on renforums says I'm wrong, I must be wrong, right?
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410548 is a reply to message #410545] |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:50 |
If you have a good amount of personal experiences, other people do, and a couple facts to back it up, and there is no alternative study, how is it wrong? Assuming you're saying "most Germans" rather than "All Germans" (still following the example). Once again, no society or group takes on the characteristics of its exceptions.
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Then we agree. I can say "Some Germans (Although it would be best to say WHICH Germans) are idiots", but I can't say "All Germans are idiots". If you apply this to the female gamer debate, if it isn't all female gamers that are attention whores, why are all female gamers being autobant from being Oblivion's gaming buddy?
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:50 |
Except you explicitly said "If you pointed to an exception, it would be disproven". That would only be true if I said "all of ___ are ___". Which I'm not. Yes, a well-thought out alternative that better explains something is good. Except there isn't one for this, so yeah. Feel free to make one, still waiting for it, lol.
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Either we're talking about "All ____ are ___", and my example holds up, or we're talking about Some ____ are ____", to which my response would be "So what?"
Just to clarify, which of the two are you talking about?
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:50 |
Because one guy on renforums says I'm wrong, I must be wrong, right?
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The one guy on renforums nothing more than an acting vessel of logic. You must be wrong if logic says you're wrong.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410549 is a reply to message #410548] |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:01 |
Then we agree. I can say "Some Germans (Although it would be best to say WHICH Germans) are idiots", but I can't say "All Germans are idiots". If you apply this to the female gamer debate, if it isn't all female gamers that are attention whores, why are all female gamers being autobant from being Oblivion's gaming buddy?
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Because for one, I said "most", not "some". "Some" implies 1%-99%. Most implies 51%-99%. That being said, since it's MOST, he most likely does not want to put up with wading through which ones are actually cool and fun, and the ones that are still attention whores. Honestly, have you ever even tried to have a social life? Not trying to insult, but fuck, surely you've come across a good lot of annoying people that have been more effort to keep as friends rather than being any real fun. Really, when it comes to the thought process of "well you should accept everyone" in terms of friendship, you're setting yourself up for disaster and extreme annoyance.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:01 |
Either we're talking about "All ____ are ___", and my example holds up, or we're talking about Some ____ are ____", to which my response would be "So what?"
Just to clarify, which of the two are you talking about?
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I'm talking about "Most ____ are ___". Not some, not all, but most. Again, most implies 51%-99%, generally speaking (depends how many opposing factors but yeah). Most being a MAJORITY. And when it comes to the majority of a group being something you do not want, it's understandable to not want to have to put up with it to find one that ISN'T as bad compared to the alternative (which is to say, a male gaming buddy which are much less of attention whores). That's just how shit works, sorry.
| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:01 |
The one guy on renforums nothing more than an acting vessel of logic. You must be wrong if logic says you're wrong.
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Logic is essentially a pattern, no? Therefore, it's your logic vs my logic. Going just by those two is not enough. I, however, have my own personal experience, and etc etc going for me. What the fuck do you have going for you other than just saying I'm wrong?
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410555 is a reply to message #410549] |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:13 |
Because for one, I said "most", not "some". "Some" implies 1%-99%. Most implies 51%-99%. That being said, since it's MOST, he most likely does not want to put up with wading through which ones are actually cool and fun, and the ones that are still attention whores. Honestly, have you ever even tried to have a social life? Not trying to insult, but fuck, surely you've come across a good lot of annoying people that have been more effort to keep as friends rather than being any real fun. Really, when it comes to the thought process of "well you should accept everyone" in terms of friendship, you're setting yourself up for disaster and extreme annoyance.
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I'm not saying "You should accept everyone." What I'm saying is "Everyone deserves a chance." Yeah, I have known some annoying-as-fuck people whom I regretted having as a friend, but in order to reach that conclusion I had to actually know the person on some kind of level. Then it becomes less a matter of "Germans are assholes" or "Female gamers are attention whores", and more a matter of "This guy is a asshole" or "This chick is an attention whore", which are both perfectly reasonable conclusions to reach, once you know the person, not before. I think that answers your question, George. I do have a social life, and part of that social life is, at times, something akin to trial and error. I don't know if a person is going to be a dicktree or not before I get to know them, so what excuse do I have not to get to know them? Similarly, I don't know if a given female gamer is going to be an attention whore or not, so why not find out?
As for the some vs most, see below.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:13 |
I'm talking about "Most ____ are ___". Not some, not all, but most. Again, most implies 51%-99%, generally speaking (depends how many opposing factors but yeah). Most being a MAJORITY. And when it comes to the majority of a group being something you do not want, it's understandable to not want to have to put up with it to find one that ISN'T as bad compared to the alternative (which is to say, a male gaming buddy which are much less of attention whores). That's just how shit works, sorry.
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I'll choose to ignore where you'll pulling the 51+% number from, because that won't get us anywhere.
So you're acknowledging that, in absence of any hard number that either of us can (Or at least, are willing to) produce, up to 49.99999etc% of female gamers could be perfectly reasonable people? Why would that be a bar to the group as a whole? You know as well as I do that gamers as a whole (Male or female) are far more than 50% assholes, and if there's any doubting that, play at least one game of DotA or HoN.
In any case, Oblivion isn't excluding some female gamers or most female gamers, but all female gamers.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:13 |
Logic is essentially a pattern, no?
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Oversimplification of the century.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:13 |
Therefore, it's your logic vs my logic. Going just by those two is not enough.
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Assuming both of our logics is of equal validity, which they aren't. You're using inductive reasoning, which gives you a weaker claim.
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 10:46 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 08:45 |
Pasty McDoublechin, you missed the point.
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Normally when you make a claim like that, you follow it by explaining how I've missed the point. Care to explain?
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It shows that there are in fact negative effects (in his view) when you pit female and male gamers together. By having a female as his partner, the likelihood of this is far greater as males outnumber females by a huge margin. I thought you were all about logic...I therefore assumed you might be capable of figuring this out of yourself. You probably opted to get snacks instead...the overweight kid that redefined the field of theory has to get his immense energy from somewhere.
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| Re: Looking for a new gamer [message #410558 is a reply to message #410557] |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:36 |
It shows that there are in fact negative effects (in his view) when you pit female and male gamers together. By having a female as his partner, the likelihood of this is far greater as males outnumber females by a huge margin.
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It seems you missed my point. This is going to happen no matter what, and nothing Oblivion does short of not playing online games is going to change that. The volume of how much he experiences it isn't that relevant, especially if it happens enough to the point where it stops bother him.
| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:36 |
I thought you were all about logic...I therefore assumed you might be capable of figuring this out of yourself. You probably opted to get snacks instead...the overweight kid that redefined the field of theory has to get his immense energy from somewhere.
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Faggot.
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 11:40 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:36 |
It shows that there are in fact negative effects (in his view) when you pit female and male gamers together. By having a female as his partner, the likelihood of this is far greater as males outnumber females by a huge margin.
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It seems you missed my point. This is going to happen no matter what, and nothing Oblivion does short of not playing online games is going to change that. The volume of how much he experiences it isn't that relevant, especially if it happens enough to the point where it stops bother him.
| JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 13 November 2009 09:36 |
I thought you were all about logic...I therefore assumed you might be capable of figuring this out of yourself. You probably opted to get snacks instead...the overweight kid that redefined the field of theory has to get his immense energy from somewhere.
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Faggot.
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It didn't seem to bother him when he had a male gaming buddy, so that was a thought-through comeback, fatty!!!11
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