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Is this allowed here? [message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 08:11 Go to next message
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To release Building Health Status with the Permission of the creator? not talking of cAmpa noob. Stern
Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407580 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 08:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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no, coz cheats/advantage
Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407585 is a reply to message #407580] Mon, 19 October 2009 08:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Chew wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 10:13

no, coz cheats/advantage

Thats just a Discussion.
Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407594 is a reply to message #407585] Mon, 19 October 2009 08:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SeriousCat wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 16:19

Chew wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 10:13

no, coz cheats/advantage

Thats just a Discussion.

That is a ruling the mods/admins have made here... resulting in a 6 month ban for kill, then they said that was just an example... the next person to release this type of material will get a perma ban.
Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407595 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For reference:

Goztow wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 05:28

The renegade forums user known under the nickname "kill" has been banned for a period of 6 months for releasing a file that we have multiple times specified as being considered as a cheat. This means until the 18th of April 2010.

Each time he tries to bypass this ban, we will add an extra period of one month to his ban period.

I'm setting this as an example. We warned multiple times that we will not accept this release. If anyone else would like to do the same, they'll get a permanent ban as this warning should be very clear to everyone.

I also want to express my disappointment towards jnz who made this possible. It's not because you found a girlfriend and stopped caring about Renegade that you should spread source code without thinking. It shows a lack of respect towards a lot of people in this community.

Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407596 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 08:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What about the Building Bars for your side only, though, out of curiosity?

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Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407597 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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whats the point of releasing the BB cheats?
releasing it will just resolve in a permaban Rocked Over


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Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407598 is a reply to message #407596] Mon, 19 October 2009 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dreganius wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 16:56

What about the Building Bars for your side only, though, out of curiosity?

Dont see any Enemy stuff...
Thats why i ask...

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Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407599 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is considered an advantage because if you pay attention you know the second a building loses health, without having to constantly hit K, and when you hit K it covers your whole screen... could get you killed. Some other reasons also I am sure.
Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407600 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Waiting for Admin´s answer.
Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407601 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 09:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Admin policy is that any release cannot be allowed, because any release will be an alteration of Shaders.dll and/or Scripts.dll and therefore MUST be accompanied by source code (The "Stay free or die" clause of the GNU GPL, under which those DLLs are released), which can then be easily modified to NOT be as rule abiding as the original release.

(Also, Chew has a point)


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Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407605 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes or No?

The only guy who will get the Source will be Reborn (he would get it from mrackz)
Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407608 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 09:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Are you publicly releasing it?

If you answer yes, "any release will be an alteration of Shaders.dll and/or Scripts.dll and therefore MUST be accompanied by source code (The "Stay free or die" clause of the GNU GPL, under which those DLLs are released)"...

Then it would prolly be removed because, "which can then be easily modified to NOT be as rule abiding as the original release"...

If you plan to just give it to reborn, then there is no need to ask. Just wouldn't say anything publicly, as your PM's will prolly get disabled (if they haven't already, lol).
Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407613 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I dont have the Source, mrackz did code it he planned to release the HUD without the Source because it shows how to create Counters (for Characters and more) Health of Enemy stuff and more. If you want it to be released with source then it should get approved by the Administration.

And my PM Box looks like this:




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Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407624 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 10:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am nearly positive the admins would not approve of such a release... With or without source.
Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407627 is a reply to message #407613] Mon, 19 October 2009 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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THAT PM TITLED "lol" MUST HAVE THE BUILDING BARS IN THEM!!!1!!!!1!ONE!

Edit: !11!!111!!!!!!!ONE1!1!!!!!


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PM one:
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well, Big Grin lol


PM two:
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nothing at all... i just lol'ed... why so serious?


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Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407632 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 10:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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THE ATTACHMENTSSSSSS!!1!1!11ONE!1!!111!ELEVEN!11!!!!!!

By the way, I was being silly.


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Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407724 is a reply to message #407579] Mon, 19 October 2009 23:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SeriousCat permanently banned for ban evading. Aka Mrackz, who was banned for trying and failing to DDOS renforums .

Somehow you made it extremely easy for us, Mrackz. Same ISP, same writing style, same advantage HUD, referring to Mrackz yourself, ... Now please don't tell me you're his brother / best friend / cousin / goldfish...

The release is not allowed because of the two reasons explained above:
1. it's a considerable advantage, even if you only have it enabled for your team.
2. you need to release the source code which would make it easy like hell to expand the modification to display the enemy team's building bars, providing you with the same advantage for enemy buildings.


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Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407725 is a reply to message #407724] Mon, 19 October 2009 23:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407732 is a reply to message #407579] Tue, 20 October 2009 00:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ban his goldfish while you're at it.

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Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407737 is a reply to message #407579] Tue, 20 October 2009 01:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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While I appreciate the endorsement of trustworthyness, "releasing" the source code to me alone does not satisfy the license agreement, it has to be a public release. I'm not entirely sure why anyone would think that to be honest, I don't have anything to do with the license agreement other than being someone else who has to abide by it. I'm not the license creator, holder etc etc.

People need to realise that the building bars are a cheat, and quite often they are not limited to only the building bars, but also the harvester too (which does not show up pressing 'k').
Even if you do not consider the building bars a cheat, then please respect the fact that these HUD's can be so easily manipulated and exploited to create cheats with the source code (which as explained, has to be released with the .dll files).

People really need to be careful what they wish for.
Iterating through buildings is only a stones throw away from iterating through players and vehicles. Once you have got the players/vehicles gameobject you can tell how far away they are, there health, there ammo etc etc. Sound familar to anyone? We're talking ESP from a well known renegade cheat, only 'better'.

Not only that, get there object, and you can then very very easily create an aimbot. YAY! Custom aim bots for everyone! Soon you would have the aim bots flooding in, and they would end up being allot more sophisticated than the released version.
You would have map overlays with the positions of every single player in the game on your screen, being able to anticipate every rush, or the best route to take...
You would have no end up cheats made by people looking to increase there e-penis size.

Please do not see the people distributing the HUD's as some type of super renegade hero to be admired. They are not oppressed feedom fighters or saviours to the game...

Wake up people, for fucks sake!

Also, I do not appreciate making a post in the spam forum. I feel all dirty now. Sad



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Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407739 is a reply to message #407579] Tue, 20 October 2009 01:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Moved to general discussion as this really ain't a spam post.

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Re: Is this allowed here? [message #407740 is a reply to message #407724] Tue, 20 October 2009 01:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 08:53

SeriousCat permanently banned for ban evading. Aka Mrackz, who was banned for trying and failing to DDOS renforums .

Somehow you made it extremely easy for us, Mrackz. Same ISP, same writing style, same advantage HUD, referring to Mrackz yourself, ... Now please don't tell me you're his brother / best friend / cousin / goldfish...

The release is not allowed because of the two reasons explained above:
1. it's a considerable advantage, even if you only have it enabled for your team.
2. you need to release the source code which would make it easy like hell to expand the modification to display the enemy team's building bars, providing you with the same advantage for enemy buildings.


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cAmpa wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 03:29

Goztow wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 08:53

SeriousCat permanently banned for ban evading. Aka Mrackz, who was banned for trying and failing to DDOS renforums .

Somehow you made it extremely easy for us, Mrackz. Same ISP, same writing style, same advantage HUD, referring to Mrackz yourself, ... Now please don't tell me you're his brother / best friend / cousin / goldfish...

The release is not allowed because of the two reasons explained above:
1. it's a considerable advantage, even if you only have it enabled for your team.
2. you need to release the source code which would make it easy like hell to expand the modification to display the enemy team's building bars, providing you with the same advantage for enemy buildings.


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