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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 10:03 |
A ladder will hopefully be recreated as it promotes people to play (for ladder and thus "honour"). Individual ladders also do this but not to the same extend: if a server is empty, then people won't join it, hence their ladder won't improove + they may want to experience different kinds of gameplay while still earning ladder points.
To come back on the "first come, first serve" argument that was brought up before. I think that if you defend this argument, you need to defend it all the way through. Why would new communities, who just arrived and didn't get any a00 nickname then suddenly end up on page 1 just because they know some of the jelly admins or because they know Nightma (yes: I believe he's also involved? He even promotes his server rental by the fact that people who rent can get a higher nickname???) and have gotten a a00 nickname? Wouldn't it be fairer then to use the nicknames you need yourself (e.g. to have a top spot for your 5 own servers) and NOT use your other nicknames so people who were a bit later but were still very fast to register a nickname take the spot that empty up?
We'd then e.g. have a first page like this:
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See what I mean? Everyone would then be served on the principle of "first come, first serve" basis.
Just to add to this discussion, well knowing that the community I represent uses a0000000b.
To reply to one of the previous statements: it DOES still matter quite a bit if you're on page 1 or not. The fact you're on the bottom of it or on the top matters less.
When one or two of the top a00 are not used, our server ends up on the bottom of first page for all players (including small resolutions). We then get considerably more traffic than when all top a00 are used, and we're just below the first page for people on smaller reso's. Ow, and tbh: I'm not really complaining about the current situation for TK2. We have a decent situation and are happy to keep it going. I really don't think that our community should be used as an example in this case, when there's enough others that are in a way worse situation.
To end with this: first page can carry about 15 servers on any resolution. This could be plenty to give all established communities one (1!) server on the first page and still provide jelly with e.g. 2 or maybe even 3, allowing them to still maintain a huge impact on the first page. There's no need to actually take away any nicknames for that, it just requires Jelly and Nightma to come together (maybe with some other people) and come to an agreement about who exactly are those established communities, based on more or less objective elements, to offer a first page that's representative and offers players a large variety of game modes. But that's just "wishful thinking", I guess, and prolly not worth the effort in their eyes while waiting for TT.
A final ladder question. TK2 runs a server that's 100 % pure mode for the first 5 minutes oft he game, but allows donate after these first 5 minutes. How would u deal with this?
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I'm pretty confident that Jelly doesn't want to change anything.
I'm saying this because, after we released BIATCH, I asked him if there was any possibility on getting a (1) high nickname for our server. This was not possible because "a lot of other servers requested this as well and asked him earlier". While that may have been true at the time, I'm certain it is not true any more today.
If every community would just agree on using only one "spot" on the top listings then there would be room for 13-14 communities on the "frontpage". I'm pretty sure that it is possible to define a set of measurements on which we can determine who should get one of those 13 spots.
A suggestion could be: Age of community, impact on the whole rencommunity, amount of players? (might be very difficult), location (particularly Europe/USA, I would say that it would need a 1/2 to 2/5 balance + perhaps some asian server?) and rating from other serverowners?
Something like this could certainly benefit the Renegade Community as a whole, and probably none would really have to sacrifice for it.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405886 is a reply to message #405878] |
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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 03:03 |
A final ladder question. TK2 runs a server that's 100 % pure mode for the first 5 minutes oft he game, but allows donate after these first 5 minutes. How would u deal with this?
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i think donate in the first five minutes is bullshit, but after that it's not a problem. so it'll score pretty highly on the ladder. depends on server size etc too though
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I have a compromise I may be willing to offer to the relevant people, but I aint doing it on here. I will chat to the TT people if they want to..
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You wanna throw me a PM, then? Seems like I'm TT's 'sales rep' on this one...
now, zell. before i respond to your post, how about that from now on, every time you're totally wrong about something (like, for example, spoony defended h2o), you admit it before you post again?
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but i dont believe u should have the right to strip away jellys servers just to replace them with servers which have points fix all ur doing is trying to eliminate the current point systems servers
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That's completely untrue. COMPLETELY untrue. I've been very open about exactly what the problem is: simply that one community should not have a monopoly on it. If someone has the power to say who gets up there on the game listings, it shouldn't be one individual community; it should be a more proper authority who'll use it more responsibly, with less bias.
People try to reduce everything I've said to "LOL U WANT POINTSFIX"; they don't realise they're making their case weaker by doing something this dishonest, not stronger.
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this is why i do not agree with what ur saying and trying to accomplish
i think if jelly gets the names first hes entitled to keep them and do whatever he wishes
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Here's a question, let's say somebody registered all the Renegade serials. In fact, someone actually tried doing that (he got thousands and thousands of them). Let's say, hypothetically, that he got them all.
He got them first, right? Totally his choice what he does with them, so if you wanted to start a server you'd need to go cap in hand to him.
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by leading cw.cc i meant become the admin of it and run the league sorry wasnt clear about it
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I've offered him an admin position on CW several times, he's always said no... as for who wants to run the league now I'm pretty open to offers, as it happens.
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ive alrdy told u about the h2o thing i read ur topic i believed what u was saying was defending h2o but when u explained i got it
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no, you believed I was defending h2o because you DIDN'T read the topic and because you DIDN'T read what i was saying. either that or you just don't understand your own first language.
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i dont see why u had to bring this up it has nothing to do with this situation its just once again u always resort to this kind of crap in some way to try and attempt to get into a fight with him if u seriously want to make everything clear not only to me but others aswell maybe u should try not to get a rise out of people and talk to them like people. if u did this in the first place u wouldnt have made such a ridiculous topic and u n jelly wouldve most likely came to some sort of conclusion or something fair everybody knows jelly is a reasonable person to talk to.
even u have to admit u was wrong to speak publicly about this
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I guess you STILL haven't read the topic. Look at my posts compared to my replies from jelly. The difference between the two is astonishing.
I've done nothing wrong to any of them, and look at the contempt I've been treated with by the Jelly mods/admins (again) - just because I gave my opinion about all the power they have over the game listings.
When people criticise the pointsfix because they thought I wanted to force it upon their servers (which just shows that people simply don't read anything I say) I go to INCREDIBLE lengths to engage them in debate. I've suggested all sorts of compromises, all of which have been rejected - and eventually TT just said: ok, we'll give you everything you wanted. Compare this to the Jelly staff who've basically said: "fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it".
And after this, I'm the bad guy for giving my opinion about their game-listing chokehold in the first place? You need to simply NOT READ THE TOPIC to come to this conclusion.
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haha that actually made me laugh but his point is that spoony shoulve pm'd jelly quietly rather than trying to make jelly look like a big mean dictator whereby the average person would see the thread and think jelly is a douchebag.
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That's really rich coming from you, simpee, considering the ABSOLUTELY STAGGERING number of times you've outright LIED to the community to try to make me look bad, and you got caught every single time. By contrast, what I've said about the game listings is true. It IS a dictatorship, it IS a monopoly, and there's nothing wrong with me giving my opinion on that. And I did NOT attack jelly (or even the jelly community) personally to make this point; I didn't need to. People don't need to attack me personally to criticise the pointsfix (but of course, they do). Other people before me have said the same kind of thing.
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This authority was not given to Jelly by EA or by Westwood or even by Strike-Team. This authority
was not elected by the community either. This authority was seized.
The authority to go to EA and request to make a patch for Renegade was neither given.
This was seized just the same.
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Uh no it wasn't seized. EA (y'know, the people in charge of this game) considered TT and decided: yes, these are the people for the job. If anyone else asked, EA would've said no.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405887 is a reply to message #405549] |
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Factors that are being discussed for ladder weight include (this isn't the full list, it's still being worked on):
- Correct points fix vs broken points system (It has been proven that the fixed points system gives the "win" to the team with the better skill and teamwork, and the old broken system often rewards the team that kept one building alive but was being pwned the whole map a win they don't deserve. Hence, you should not be significantly rewarded on the ladder for winning under a severely flawed system.)
- Starting credits (% penalty based on starting credits with a maximum penalty, so 0 credits = 0 penalty and my server's 350 credits = small penalty)
- Donation (one penalty for donate from 00:00 time, smaller penalty for delayed donation start)
- Teamchanging allowed (because it can make for stacked teams, players winning under these conditions should be penalized)
We have other factors in mind like a bonus for basekill vs points win which also helps to mitigate the ladder inaccuracies created by the old/broken points calculation.
Remember that the goal of a true ladder is to reward the skilled players and penalize the bad players in order to gain a true ranking of which players are playing well and are good for their team. With a complete ladder re-vamp, the hope is to stop rewarding "point whores" and create new ladder whores who want their team to win and work hard to make that happen.
The new system is being designed by Spoony and I at the moment and once we have a good framework in place for the calculations, we'll observe the results of our work for a bit and then open it up to the community for feedback and tweaking.
We believe this system to be a compromise between what server owners want (to keep control of their settings), what a ladder is supposed to represent (skill and to a smaller degree, time served), and what players want (something to work for when they're putting time into a server).
Saying that there shouldn't be a ladder is completely retarded. If you think there shouldn't be a ladder, then stop reporting your ladder results and change your server setting to ladder = 0 so that players don't go on your server thinking that it does report results. If you think there shouldn't be a ladder, then stop looking at the ladder rankings and pretend they don't exist. Don't force your wishes on other players when the majority of them want statistics, some sort of record of what they did. Nearly every online multiplayer game has some sort of ranking/ladder system and it's not because people don't like them... it's because people DO like them.
And lastly, stop comparing Jelly's registration of the nicknames to TT's ability to make a patch. Every single one of us posting in this thread knows how to register a nickname. That doesn't take any talent. Years and years of work on Renegade, earning the trust and support of EA, and spending months and months to patch the game is something very few people are able to do. You're comparing apples to oranges.
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The major servers all have their own huge fanbases. I doubt at this point the player count has little to do with hostnames.
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If that were even remotely true, this discussion wouldn't be taking place. I still see hundreds of new names and new IPs in my server every month (because I keep stats on it). And don't be so retarded as to say they're all smurf nicknames.
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Here's a question, let's say somebody registered all the Renegade serials. In fact, someone actually tried doing that (he got thousands and thousands of them). Let's say, hypothetically, that he got them all.
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Actually, he did get them all. The person you're talking about registered over 10,000 serials and no one could start a server without him giving a serial to you if you didn't have one already. When we moved to XWIS, limitations were removed and people could just use their retail serials for their server which took all the power away from him. Just as (we hope) changing the default server listings for everyone to playercount instead of nickname will take all this power away.
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Renz0r recently merged with Exodus, and I think if Renegade as a whole will do good if more communities set aside their differences/stopped competing with each other and simply worked together.
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If you had used any other community but Exodus in that sentence, it would have been a valid point. I've always been open to merges and collaborations with n00bstories but a lot of people in this community seem to like being big babies who want to take their toys and go home when they don't get their way instead of having mature conversations when differences in opinion arise.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405892 is a reply to message #405887] |
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A lot haas been said about how Jelly is unfair for getting the top names first, and how TT could run them better - but unless i've missed some posts, i've not seen a TT representive say how they will run them better, or why it will end up more fair then what jelly does?
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| Prulez wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 13:18 |
No. Please elaborate where this is undeserved. I have skipped reading most of this thread, but I am curious how you will explain to me how Jelly would not be allowed to have the hostnames, because Jelly was the first to register it!
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Duhhh, because Jelly has registered ALL the top listings, so when you log in all you see is the Jelly servers and the servers Jelly currently favours. And, yet again, this means any new server has no hope of drawing players.
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So what would you do different? would you keep a spare top slot open for any new server to use... and how long would it get that slot for before you give it a lower down name and give that slot to the next new server?
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405894 is a reply to message #405892] |
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| HiUGuys wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 04:46 |
A lot haas been said about how Jelly is unfair for getting the top names first, and how TT could run them better - but unless i've missed some posts, i've not seen a TT representive say how they will run them better, or why it will end up more fair then what jelly does?
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You certainly HAVE missed posts.
I hate to make the comparison, and Crimson is certainly right to object to it, but I must make it, it seems.
People criticise TT becuase they think spoony wants to force the pointsfix onto every server (which is untrue, but that just shows nobody reads anything I say). What does TT do? Goes to INCREDIBLE lengths to engage them in debate (even though most of them just endlessly flame instead of actually talking about the pointsfix). Does a lot of thinking and suggests several compromises between the two positions, all of which are violently rejected. Eventually says: ok, we'll give you everything you wanted.
That's how TT handles criticism of its "power". Let's compare that to Jelly.
Someone criticises Jelly because it has a monopoly on the game listings. The Jelly admins say: fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it.
You can't see the difference? You are not looking.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405898 is a reply to message #405892] |
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| HiUGuys wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 02:46 |
A lot haas been said about how Jelly is unfair for getting the top names first, and how TT could run them better - but unless i've missed some posts, i've not seen a TT representive say how they will run them better, or why it will end up more fair then what jelly does?
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I've had some discussions with people in private about how it could be handled, and I'm even currently discussing with someone a system that would encourage people to reduce the number of servers on the list by providing a higher ranking to communities who merge and shut down unnecessary/dead servers.
For example, if RenPros was given a rank of 10 on the new list and RenPeeps were given a rank of 14, then if RenPeeps shut down and moved their players and worked out a compromise with RenPros about staff positions and server settings, then they would be rewarded by moving up to rank 8. (This is just a broad example and needs to be refined, of course.)
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405905 is a reply to message #405549] |
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Maybe it would be good to wait and see what this offer from Jelly towards TT is all about? I read Spoony proposes to be a contact with Jelly on this matter? I hope we^'ll be informed of a possible outcome?
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405906 is a reply to message #405905] |
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i'm right here if jelly has an offer to make. i'll represent TT in the matter. i'm not doing it on jelly forums/IRC though, not considering the appalling way their mods and admins treat me despite me doing nothing wrong, and considering the fact they actually want to ban me for bringing this up at all. (and they have the fucking nerve to call me or TT dictators? first they say "fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it" then they want to ban me for nothing more than voicing an opinion they're afraid of)
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405907 is a reply to message #405906] |
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| Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 14:03 |
i'm right here if jelly has an offer to make. i'll represent TT in the matter. i'm not doing it on jelly forums/IRC though, not considering the appalling way their mods and admins treat me despite me doing nothing wrong, and considering the fact they actually want to ban me for bringing this up at all. (and they have the fucking nerve to call me or TT dictators? first they say "fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it" then they want to ban me for nothing more than voicing an opinion they're afraid of)
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Not that I don't have fait in you Spoony, but perhaps it'd be good to have more people in the conversation then? This because from what I see you can get quite angry, and I suspect that jelly is not really different. perhaps someone like Gozy/StealthEye, as a kind of neutral, balancing factor in such conversation?
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405908 is a reply to message #405906] |
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| Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 07:03 |
i'm right here if jelly has an offer to make. i'll represent TT in the matter. i'm not doing it on jelly forums/IRC though, not considering the appalling way their mods and admins treat me despite me doing nothing wrong, and considering the fact they actually want to ban me for bringing this up at all. (and they have the fucking nerve to call me or TT dictators? first they say "fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it" then they want to ban me for nothing more than voicing an opinion they're afraid of)
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For fucks sake spoony - one person - not a mod - brings it up and you act like we all want to. Raven already posted and said there's nothing to ban you for, I didn't really feel the need to reinforce that.
Maybe you should stop lying. Liar.
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 08:22 |
Not that I don't have fait in you Spoony, but perhaps it'd be good to have more people in the conversation then? This because from what I see you can get quite angry, and I suspect that jelly is not really different. perhaps someone like Gozy/StealthEye, as a kind of neutral, balancing factor in such conversation?
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Well, I want it to be public, but jelly has flat out refused. I said it would be better for everyone to see what's going on, instead of shady deals behind closed doors. If the only thing Jelly is willing to do is conceal what is being discussed, then I suppose we must take what we can.
And I'm completely objective.
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For fucks sake spoony - one person - not a mod - brings it up and you act like we all want to. Raven already posted and said there's nothing to ban you for, I didn't really feel the need to reinforce that.
Maybe you should stop lying. Liar.
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ban spoony for making the forums a very negative place
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Funny, I thought you and all the other admins keep saying: we'll run jelly the way the community wants, eh? If majority wants the points bug, we'll use the points bug. Or were you lying when you said that?
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| Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 14:03 |
i'm right here if jelly has an offer to make. i'll represent TT in the matter. i'm not doing it on jelly forums/IRC though, not considering the appalling way their mods and admins treat me despite me doing nothing wrong, and considering the fact they actually want to ban me for bringing this up at all. (and they have the fucking nerve to call me or TT dictators? first they say "fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it" then they want to ban me for nothing more than voicing an opinion they're afraid of)
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Not that I don't have fait in you Spoony, but perhaps it'd be good to have more people in the conversation then? This because from what I see you can get quite angry, and I suspect that jelly is not really different. perhaps someone like Gozy/StealthEye, as a kind of neutral, balancing factor in such conversation?
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405916 is a reply to message #405914] |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 08:01 |
| Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 14:03 |
i'm right here if jelly has an offer to make. i'll represent TT in the matter. i'm not doing it on jelly forums/IRC though, not considering the appalling way their mods and admins treat me despite me doing nothing wrong, and considering the fact they actually want to ban me for bringing this up at all. (and they have the fucking nerve to call me or TT dictators? first they say "fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it" then they want to ban me for nothing more than voicing an opinion they're afraid of)
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Not that I don't have fait in you Spoony, but perhaps it'd be good to have more people in the conversation then? This because from what I see you can get quite angry, and I suspect that jelly is not really different. perhaps someone like Gozy/StealthEye, as a kind of neutral, balancing factor in such conversation?
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I already answered that. I'm perfectly capable of staying objective, no matter how pathetically my opposition is acting. I proved it at clanwars, I proved that in the pointsfix debates, I proved it in the ladder thread on jelly (why do you think they're so keen to ban me?) and I'm proving it again right now.
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| Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 15:06 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 08:01 |
| Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 14:03 |
i'm right here if jelly has an offer to make. i'll represent TT in the matter. i'm not doing it on jelly forums/IRC though, not considering the appalling way their mods and admins treat me despite me doing nothing wrong, and considering the fact they actually want to ban me for bringing this up at all. (and they have the fucking nerve to call me or TT dictators? first they say "fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it" then they want to ban me for nothing more than voicing an opinion they're afraid of)
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Not that I don't have fait in you Spoony, but perhaps it'd be good to have more people in the conversation then? This because from what I see you can get quite angry, and I suspect that jelly is not really different. perhaps someone like Gozy/StealthEye, as a kind of neutral, balancing factor in such conversation?
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I already answered that. I'm perfectly capable of staying objective, no matter how pathetically my opposition is acting. I proved it at clanwars, I proved that in the pointsfix debates, I proved it in the ladder thread on jelly (why do you think they're so keen to ban me?) and I'm proving it again right now.
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I didn't say anything about not being objective. I just suggested that such conversation could possibily benefit of having 3 people instead of 2. Particularly when 2 of those people seem to oppose each other so much.
Not saying this is the case, but it does look that way.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405931 is a reply to message #405930] |
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if it looks that way, you aren't really looking.
jelly's tried to dismiss legitimate criticism by saying two things:
1. how dare you say this publicly?
2. you only said this because we took the pointsfix off jelly (this is such a disgusting statement i can barely believe it came from jelly - he knows exactly why i'm only just saying this now, and i shouldn't have to explain it to everybody, i didn't want to tell anybody on renegade at all)
i've never done anything wrong that compares to this. when people criticised the pointsfix i actually replied what was being said instead of saying "your opinion doesn't count because....".
and of course, people were furious with me (still are) PRECISELY BECAUSE i went to so much trouble to reply to them. perhaps i would be better regarded if i just took the jelly way, "fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it"?
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405932 is a reply to message #405906] |
Wed, 07 October 2009 08:01 |
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| Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 05:03 |
considering the fact they actually want to ban me for bringing this up at all. (and they have the fucking nerve to call me or TT dictators? first they say "fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it" then they want to ban me for nothing more than voicing an opinion they're afraid of)
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When I tried to bring it up, Jelly ended up de-linking IRC with n00bstories and took Hex/n00bless with him. (Cutting off their noses to spite their faces since all their users had to re-register and re-create channels, and from what I've heard experience excessive downtime and netsplits that happen next to never on my network, but that's neither here nor there, right?)
So yeah, I can see them threatening to ban you for bringing it up. Fortunately for you, you don't like playing on servers with buggy points systems anyway. 
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405934 is a reply to message #405932] |
Wed, 07 October 2009 08:08 |
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there's more to it than just the points system. it's true i personally prefer the pointsfix by far, but i also like 0 start credits and a lack of !donate at the beginning. i might still be playing at jelly, the main reason why i stopped isn't really the pointsbug, more to do with the absolutely fucking disgraceful way i keep getting treated by their admins and moderators, despite doing absolutely NOTHING wrong to them.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405935 is a reply to message #405549] |
Wed, 07 October 2009 08:28 |
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okok lets wait years and cry about names just because the pointfix is not being used end of the day your just hungry for what small number of players that still play. spoony can quote me all you like and anyone else but most people dont really need to have e drama 24/7 WOW STOP CRYING AND JUST PLAY AND STOP MAKING ME YAWN READING ALL THIS BULL
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405936 is a reply to message #405935] |
Wed, 07 October 2009 08:30 |
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| killer783 wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 10:28 |
okok lets wait years and cry about names just because the pointfix is not being used
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How many more times must the Jelly community lie about this? Don't you see how much damage it is doing to your credibility?
What I'm saying is COMPLETELY legitimate criticism of your monopoly on the advanced game listings. You are making your position SO VERY MUCH WEAKER by saying "you're only saying this because..." then giving a completely bullshit reason.
| killer783 wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 10:28 |
but most people dont really need to have e drama 24/7 WOW STOP CRYING AND JUST PLAY AND STOP MAKING ME YAWN READING ALL THIS BULL
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OK, relinquish your undeserved monopoly on the game listings then.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405937 is a reply to message #405936] |
Wed, 07 October 2009 08:38 |
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| Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 10:30 |
| killer783 wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 10:28 |
okok lets wait years and cry about names just because the pointfix is not being used
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How many more times must the Jelly community lie about this? Don't you see how much damage it is doing to your credibility?
What I'm saying is COMPLETELY legitimate criticism of your monopoly on the advanced game listings. You are making your position SO VERY MUCH WEAKER by saying "you're only saying this because..." then giving a completely bullshit reason.
| killer783 wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 10:28 |
but most people dont really need to have e drama 24/7 WOW STOP CRYING AND JUST PLAY AND STOP MAKING ME YAWN READING ALL THIS BULL
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OK, relinquish your undeserved monopoly on the game listings then.
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end of they day jelly is not giving any a00 names to TT live with it and how do you deserve it just because you making a patch?? bullshit yea your doing something for the whole of ren but that doesnt make you fucking rene gods wow..............
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405938 is a reply to message #405937] |
Wed, 07 October 2009 08:44 |
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| killer783 wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 10:38 |
end of they day jelly is not giving any a00 names to TT live with it
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Yes, I've already noticed the Jelly community's complete stubbornness, refusal to negotiate, and contempt towards anybody challenging their monopoly. I've remarked upon it several times. Thanks for proving it yet again.
| killer783 wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 10:38 |
and how do you deserve it just because you making a patch?? bullshit yea your doing something for the whole of ren but that doesnt make you fucking rene gods wow..............
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Someone must have this control. That's obvious. Someone WILL have it. Right now it's in the complete, unchallengeable control of the Jelly community, and any fool can just look at this thread and see they are absolutely not qualified to use it. Look at the despicable way they were treating me even BEFORE i posted this thread, look at them saying "fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it".
I put it to you that TT is by far better qualified to handle this. When TT gets criticised on the pointsfix, for example, we went to incredible lengths to accommodate people who disagreed with us, we suggested many compromises, and in the end we just gave people everything they wanted.
After reading that ^^, give me a one word answer: who do you think is better trusted with the authority over the gamelistings? Jelly or TT? Please, if you seriously think it's Jelly, then say so, so everyone can see what a biased idiot you are. And if you've actually got a brain and you think it's TT, then maybe you should say so to Jelly.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405942 is a reply to message #405938] |
Wed, 07 October 2009 08:52 |
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| Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 11:44 |
After reading that ^^, give me a one word answer: who do you think is better trusted with the authority over the gamelistings? Jelly or TT? Please, if you seriously think it's Jelly, then say so, so everyone can see what a biased idiot you are. And if you've actually got a brain and you think it's TT, then maybe you should say so to Jelly.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405944 is a reply to message #405549] |
Wed, 07 October 2009 08:58 |
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RC's answer doesn't surprise me. he said i should be banned from jelly for "giving my opinion about the a00 names". funny, cos that certainly doesn't seem to be the view when someone gives their opinion about the pointsfix; it deserves automatic respect, doesn't it? and of course, when a jelly moderator (clearshot) told lie after lie after lie after lie to try to make me look bad and gets caught red-handed, there's not a word of condemnation about it.
so no, i didn't expect RCmorr to get anything right.
| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 11:53 |
ofcourse you deserve respect for that, its just that all the good things you have done in the past are cancelled out by ur current actions.
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WHAT current actions?
what have I done wrong, simpee? it must be pretty big if it cancels out running the clanwars league. DON'T dodge this question, answer it or apologise to me.
| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 11:53 |
and yet now noone who was playing in those games woulda want to play with u, and jelly people hate ur guts.
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Yes, they do, but this doesn't change the fact I've done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG.
| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 11:53 |
its not that we are liars
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oh really? here's my post on the last page, predictably you didn't reply to it.
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how about you stop blaming me every time you lie to the community and i catch you? it's like packer saying OMG SPOONY SAYS EVERYONES A CHEATER! uh no, not everyone, i said you're a cheater and i proved it, and you saying that just makes you look even more pathetic.
you lied to everyone over and over and over again about what happened at clanwars with the pointsfix.
you lied to everyone over and over and over again about this mesa 2v2 nonsense.
you lied to everyone over and over and over again about the pointpushing business - whiskey, clearshot etc.
and you lied about clearshot's huge list of bullshit false accusations against me. you had a choice: 1. tell the truth, admit spoony was innocent on all charges, point out that every single word clearshot said was an obvious lie... or 2. lie to the community to help clear get away with it. i predicted you would take the second option, and was absolutely right: it's exactly what you did do.
i like the pointsfix, so you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT tell the truth in any situation where telling the truth will make me look good. i guess me being the only person who could ever be bothered hosting a clan ladder for scum like you hasn't even earned me THAT small amount of respect, eh?
and every time you lie to the community to try to get people on your side, you get caught. i actually try to do you a favour by saying "simpee, you are making your case WEAKER when you do this", you just don't get it, you just try again five minutes later. it's amazing you can't see how much damage you're doing to your own credibility
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