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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:02 |
a00 nicknames: Personally I don't care as I've in general played on servers that actually have players (which of course actually helps this argument), but I do agree that it is unfair to new competition. But as far as I can see, there's not much to be done about it at this point; TT's listing changes should solve it.
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I'm glad we can agree.
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:02 |
pointsmod: Hate it with a passion, but there's only one reason for this: I, in typical human fashion, am afraid of change. I have loved this game with the points system it has always had, and I do not think it should be changed this late in the game. However, I understand that it is in fact bugged and flawed. Now the question of whether I give a shit is a whole different story, albeit a short one: hell no.
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That doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to defend the bugged, flawed pointsystem, but since you don't give a shit, I suppose it doesn't really matter.
| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:03 |
Dover, stop responding to him at all please.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405789 is a reply to message #405787] |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:14 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:02 |
pointsmod: Hate it with a passion, but there's only one reason for this: I, in typical human fashion, am afraid of change. I have loved this game with the points system it has always had, and I do not think it should be changed this late in the game. However, I understand that it is in fact bugged and flawed. Now the question of whether I give a shit is a whole different story, albeit a short one: hell no.
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That doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to defend the bugged, flawed pointsystem, but since you don't give a shit, I suppose it doesn't really matter.
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I'm not defending it, I simply prefer the original points system.
I think it's a little ridiculous to change it this late in the game's lifespan, but if it is, so be it. I'd simply prefer to have a choice.
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Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade 
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405791 is a reply to message #405549] |
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| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:11 |
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Zell on the other hand puts the English language to shame.
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atleast hes actually making a point, all you seem to be doing is rambling on about god knows what
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If he does have a point nobody would know it, since he appears to be typing by rolling his head across his keyboard. The only point I've seen him make is "SCREW U GUIZE I DESLEIK SPOONY U LEAV JELLY ALONE I GUIZE SUX". If I'm leaving anything out, please correct me.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405792 is a reply to message #405789] |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:15 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:14 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:02 |
pointsmod: Hate it with a passion, but there's only one reason for this: I, in typical human fashion, am afraid of change. I have loved this game with the points system it has always had, and I do not think it should be changed this late in the game. However, I understand that it is in fact bugged and flawed. Now the question of whether I give a shit is a whole different story, albeit a short one: hell no.
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That doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to defend the bugged, flawed pointsystem, but since you don't give a shit, I suppose it doesn't really matter.
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I'm not defending it, I simply prefer the original points system.
I think it's a little ridiculous to change it this late in the game's lifespan, but if it is, so be it. I'd simply prefer to have a choice.
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I believe better late than never. :/
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405794 is a reply to message #405792] |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:17 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:15 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:14 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:02 |
pointsmod: Hate it with a passion, but there's only one reason for this: I, in typical human fashion, am afraid of change. I have loved this game with the points system it has always had, and I do not think it should be changed this late in the game. However, I understand that it is in fact bugged and flawed. Now the question of whether I give a shit is a whole different story, albeit a short one: hell no.
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That doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to defend the bugged, flawed pointsystem, but since you don't give a shit, I suppose it doesn't really matter.
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I'm not defending it, I simply prefer the original points system.
I think it's a little ridiculous to change it this late in the game's lifespan, but if it is, so be it. I'd simply prefer to have a choice.
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I believe better late than never. :/
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I would agree, but on something like a game, I don't think it's that big of a deal. I just don't find it a good idea to change the entire game after 7 years because someone discovered a bug. I totally understand the reasoning behind it, though.
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Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405800 is a reply to message #405549] |
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| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:22 |
haha that actually made me laugh but his point is that spoony shoulve pm'd jelly quietly rather than trying to make jelly look like a big mean dictator whereby the average person would see the thread and think jelly is a douchebag.
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I don't know what the average person would think when they saw this thread, but I don't see anything wrong with open honest discussion. In any case, I didn't read that in anything Zell posted.
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:26 |
And what have you done about this topic? Except look like a complete retard because you can't seem to read posts...The only thing I've seen you do is talk about EA and how they dont give a shit about us and all your endless rambling about god knows what
in the end your conversation ended up with this: nothing...and you call me the retard wow..
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You're really making it hard on me to comply with Carrier's wishes, aren't you Zell?
Edit: Oh, how cute. You edited your post. That's adorable, but since I put in the effort to correct you speaking your native tongue, I'll keep this the way it is.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405804 is a reply to message #405549] |
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| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:37 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 18:33 |
| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:22 |
haha that actually made me laugh but his point is that spoony shoulve pm'd jelly quietly rather than trying to make jelly look like a big mean dictator whereby the average person would see the thread and think jelly is a douchebag.
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I don't know what the average person would think when they saw this thread, but I don't see anything wrong with open honest discussion. In any case, I didn't read that in anything Zell posted.
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:26 |
And what have you done about this topic? Except look like a complete retard because you can't seem to read posts...The only thing I've seen you do is talk about EA and how they dont give a shit about us and all your endless rambling about god knows what
in the end your conversation ended up with this: nothing...and you call me the retard wow..
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You're really making it hard on me to comply with Carrier's wishes, aren't you Zell?
Edit: Oh, how cute. You edited your post. That's adorable, but since I put in the effort to correct you speaking your native tongue, I'll keep this the way it is.
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Here I'll make you happy, Yes I do enjoy making it hard on you to comply with Carrier's wishes.
Considering you have already failed at complying with them.
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You're forgetting your commas. Also, the second portion of your post is a sentence fragment. D-, see me after class.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405805 is a reply to message #405804] |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:41 |
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:37 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 18:33 |
| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:22 |
haha that actually made me laugh but his point is that spoony shoulve pm'd jelly quietly rather than trying to make jelly look like a big mean dictator whereby the average person would see the thread and think jelly is a douchebag.
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I don't know what the average person would think when they saw this thread, but I don't see anything wrong with open honest discussion. In any case, I didn't read that in anything Zell posted.
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:26 |
And what have you done about this topic? Except look like a complete retard because you can't seem to read posts...The only thing I've seen you do is talk about EA and how they dont give a shit about us and all your endless rambling about god knows what
in the end your conversation ended up with this: nothing...and you call me the retard wow..
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You're really making it hard on me to comply with Carrier's wishes, aren't you Zell?
Edit: Oh, how cute. You edited your post. That's adorable, but since I put in the effort to correct you speaking your native tongue, I'll keep this the way it is.
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Here I'll make you happy, Yes I do enjoy making it hard on you to comply with Carrier's wishes.
Considering you have already failed at complying with them.
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You're forgetting your commas. Also, the second portion of your post is a sentence fragment. D-, see me after class.
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Wow haha, I hope he didn't actually make an effort on that one.
Altzan, that's six pages with several posts deleted.
P.S. FUCK YOU FUDFORUM QUIT DELETING MY GOD DAMN POST
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405808 is a reply to message #405805] |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:44 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:41 |
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:37 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 18:33 |
| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:22 |
haha that actually made me laugh but his point is that spoony shoulve pm'd jelly quietly rather than trying to make jelly look like a big mean dictator whereby the average person would see the thread and think jelly is a douchebag.
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I don't know what the average person would think when they saw this thread, but I don't see anything wrong with open honest discussion. In any case, I didn't read that in anything Zell posted.
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:26 |
And what have you done about this topic? Except look like a complete retard because you can't seem to read posts...The only thing I've seen you do is talk about EA and how they dont give a shit about us and all your endless rambling about god knows what
in the end your conversation ended up with this: nothing...and you call me the retard wow..
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Must...not...image macro..!
You're really making it hard on me to comply with Carrier's wishes, aren't you Zell?
Edit: Oh, how cute. You edited your post. That's adorable, but since I put in the effort to correct you speaking your native tongue, I'll keep this the way it is.
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Here I'll make you happy, Yes I do enjoy making it hard on you to comply with Carrier's wishes.
Considering you have already failed at complying with them.
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You're forgetting your commas. Also, the second portion of your post is a sentence fragment. D-, see me after class.
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Haha, I hope he didn't actually make an effort there.
Altzan, that's six pages with several deleted.
P.S. FUCK YOU FUDFORUM QUIT DELETING MY GOD DAMN POST
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I think he just now discovered that these forums have a spell-check function for those who didn't pay any attention during grade school like him.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405816 is a reply to message #405784] |
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| kadoosh wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:12 |
the Mature thing to do would have been to discuss this with him in private before going public declaring him the devil, for lack of better words.
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The reason one would bring this public is so that other people will chime in and the target of the subject can see where majority (or at least, loudest) opinion lies. Private conversations have yielded no results, and yet this public one has gotten Jelly to agree to have a discussion about a compromise. I, for one, am interested in what that is.
Next, the nicknames aren't "technically" or "legally" Jelly's. They belong to XWIS. If XWIS decides or is asked by EA to change the policy on the matter, there's nothing anyone can do about it.
And, for the record, n00bstories' server runs the points fix and has for over 2 years. Spoony's issue is that my server allows other things that he doesn't consider "pure" as far as skill is concerned. Specifically, I would have to change my server to 0 start credits, no donations, and no weapon drops to be in full compliance. My solution to our dilemma is to "weight" the ladder based on their compliance... meaning that the servers closest to pure would have the most weight and servers with massive changes that discourage skillful play will be worth less. Our goal with this is so that a winning player on a "pure skill" server will gain ladder faster than someone playing on a server with lots of starting creds and the bugged points system.
I'm just stating some facts and leaving my personal opinion out of this matter.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405818 is a reply to message #405816] |
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| Crimson wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:14 |
My solution to our dilemma is to "weight" the ladder based on their compliance... meaning that the servers closest to pure would have the most weight and servers with massive changes that discourage skillful play will be worth less. Our goal with this is so that a winning player on a "pure skill" server will gain ladder faster than someone playing on a server with lots of starting creds and the bugged points system.
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I welcome to return of on-topic to this thread, so I'll keep this going. Can you give any specifics as to how the weighting system will work? A Server with 999999999 starting creditss won't be weighted the same as n00bstories with a reasonable starting credit amount, will it?
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405822 is a reply to message #405816] |
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| Crimson wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 18:14 |
| kadoosh wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:12 |
the Mature thing to do would have been to discuss this with him in private before going public declaring him the devil, for lack of better words.
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The reason one would bring this public is so that other people will chime in and the target of the subject can see where majority (or at least, loudest) opinion lies. Private conversations have yielded no results, and yet this public one has gotten Jelly to agree to have a discussion about a compromise. I, for one, am interested in what that is.
Next, the nicknames aren't "technically" or "legally" Jelly's. They belong to XWIS. If XWIS decides or is asked by EA to change the policy on the matter, there's nothing anyone can do about it.
And, for the record, n00bstories' server runs the points fix and has for over 2 years. Spoony's issue is that my server allows other things that he doesn't consider "pure" as far as skill is concerned. Specifically, I would have to change my server to 0 start credits, no donations, and no weapon drops to be in full compliance. My solution to our dilemma is to "weight" the ladder based on their compliance... meaning that the servers closest to pure would have the most weight and servers with massive changes that discourage skillful play will be worth less. Our goal with this is so that a winning player on a "pure skill" server will gain ladder faster than someone playing on a server with lots of starting creds and the bugged points system.
I'm just stating some facts and leaving my personal opinion out of this matter.
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That's a good way of doing it. If a server wants different settings, it SHOULD be penalized because of it. That way it's fair to a server that runs a "legal" server.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405826 is a reply to message #405549] |
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Please take time to read my post, eventhough I know now it is going to be long.
Reading some replies here makes my blood boil.
Not to anyone particular but in general, as it makes me realize I am not the only asshole in Renegade.
In fact, this thread shows just how much arrogance and hatred there is in Renegade world.
If TT patch is going to mingle with the A00 nicks that would be a very bad thing in my opinion.
One that will destroy what little balance there is in Renegade.
Spoony, I have nothing against you, but I have to quote you and reply to something you said in your first post:
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This authority was not given to Jelly by EA or by Westwood or even by Strike-Team. This authority
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The authority to go to EA and request to make a patch for Renegade was neither given.
This was seized just the same.
Why did Jelly create those nicknames? The same reason why you want to make TT patch: because you can, and because it will benefit what you like.
Now, just because the TT crew has the ability and knowledge to make this patch, does not mean you are any higher in Ranks than anyone that else.
I have not seen that been said or claimed by any TT crew, but I can somehow taste that in the mouth reading about the anger towards the A00 monopoly.
So just imagine what would happen if Jelly got a team together to make a patch for Ren, and went to EA just before you did.
Would you not want to defend what you hold dear?
So in the end, what are we going to do?
We all want our servers to be filled, whether we host them ourselfs or just play there.
Now, Jelly was there first to claim the top 10 nicknames.
And therefor he holds the monopoly over Renegade servers when it comes to player counts.
So what does the TT crew do? We're going to make a patch that renders the power of those nicks to the same level as any other nick.
What the fuck kind of game is being played here.
We should make a card game of this, like Pokémon cards.
YES! I got a jelly.
Woops, damn, a TT can render me powerless.
Maybe we can all stop thinking about what WE find important for ourselfs and start thinking of how this might in fact NOT be good.
I am a current Biology science student, and have also followed studies in human psychology.
No, I am not going to brag about my accomplishments, but I do hope however that this can at least make you consider what I am going to say next.
We humans are creatures of habit.
We do things the same way because it makes us feel safe.
We drive in a certain way, eat our food in a certain way, arrange and order our lives the way we want to.
By default, we don't like change.
You can argue that you do, but that doesn't make it less true what I say.
If something big changes the order we have in our lifes, we rarely like it.
So just look forward to this:
Our everyday XWIS n00b logs on and has to look through the list to find their favorite server.
Everyday that list looks different.
"hey there were some pretty nice ppl on that server last night, but what was it called again?"
Why destroy the order there is now!
Because you think it is unfair?
It will do renegade no good to change this order.
What is wrong with the way it is now?
There is a server with people for everyone, to fit everyone's taste.
Does anyone here not have a server to play on then?
If the answer is no, because your favo server isn't getting the traffic it used to have, that brings to light a totally different problem, that "sorting by player count" will definitely not fix
The problem in renegade is not looks, bugs or what not.
The problem in renegade is the ratio between server count and player count.
Renz0r recently merged with Exodus, and I think if Renegade as a whole will do good if more communities set aside their differences/stopped competing with each other and simply worked together.
If renegade only had about 20 servers those servers would flourish.
It would also cut down on a lot of money spend by people, or that money put together from renting 2 separate boxes to rent 1 box with much more performance.
Ok, I kind of wondered from my initial point, which is:
TT patch should not change the order of the server list.
It is fine the way it is, and it can only destroy what little balance there is now.
It's just as selfish as Jelly registering those nicknames first.
Let communities be run by people who have been doing it for years.
They have the experience, and in the end there is a server for everyone none the less.
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Also what happened to you can change your ISP I doubt you even know what a VPN is or even a remote idea of how the Internet even works.
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If I disregard the deficit of cohesion between his statements, and the lack of proper spelling and use of symbols I think I know what he was trying to say, and I lol'd. No hard feelings though Brandan 
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405829 is a reply to message #405549] |
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This thread is fucking ridiculous.
As you somehow attempted to link game listings to the pointsfix, I'll address both.
The major servers all have their own huge fanbases. I doubt at this point the player count has little to do with hostnames. There are very, very, very few new players incoming, so most Rene players have already established their normal spots. I can think of a few arguments to support this but I'll pick the easiest and, I think, most relatable.
When we (Jelly) make changes to our servers, our player count and bandwidth fluctuates as a direct result. Always. Sometimes better, sometimes worse. I know I don't need to go into detail more because I know other server owners know what I mean, but I'm trying to make a point - players voice their opinion by choosing where they play. A few months ago, Olddust made some significant changes to our marathon server - with the result being that average bandwidth use increased over 75%. Clearly, players choose where they play based on more than host names.
Now, to relate to pointsfix:
Removing the pointfix from AOW1 had a similar effect on bandwidth (huge increase). Same with on Mini years ago (also a significant increase).
You know my stance on the pointsfix - I personally dislike it but that doesn't mean I'd like to see it gone. I think it should be left up to the players to decide - and thus, by extension, the servers. And, as Hex pointed out, if you want to make it mandatory, fine. We want to remove it, so you do what you have to do and we'll do what we have to do.
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I find this whole thing hilarious. Spoony you say that TT has gone to great lengths to compromise by allowing the pointsfix to be optional with a minus 50% ladder of course.... "yea real great lengths"
You also say that because of these great lengths TT has gone to that so should Jelly. Well you're wrong and you have no ground to even ask Jelly to give up the names he registered fair and square.
That would be like Jelly going to "great lengths" and compromise with you and lend you the server nicks for 50 dollars a month.
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they are jelly's nicknames because he beat everyone else to the punch. it sounds like waht you are saying is that if it were a race, you would expect the winner to share the prize with you. be happy that he even shares the nick names with other communities instead of hosting a different server for each of his nick names.
@ prulez, its not like comparing a horse and a cow, its more like comparing a body of land to an airplane, they aren't remotely the same because TT is a group of coders trying to fix a game that has plenty of bugs vs Jelly owning a group of names that are listed at the top of the xwis listings.
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You say the compromise for a server running pointfix is -50% ladder.
So why is there a need for an even greater compromise? Specifically, Jelly giving up some of his control over the server list position.
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Tue, 06 October 2009 20:16 |
Cunin
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So what about removing that stupid ladder completely anyway? That will fix all problems, all point whores, all kill whores (well, most), and it's pretty broken anyway (top players=top whores...), so I can't even understand why it's still up.
I never liked ladders because they promote the worst gameplay.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405845 is a reply to message #405607] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 20:35 |
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Seven pages about something that was resolved in page one...
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 10:30 |
Maybe someone's said it already, but a00 nicknames won't matter once TT's released; current (and naturally later) versions of scripts.dll sort servers by playercount, not nickname. And once TT is pushed to everyone, that entirely eliminates the problem.
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| Cunin wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 22:16 |
So what about removing that stupid ladder completely anyway? That will fix all problems, all point whores, all kill whores (well, most), and it's pretty broken anyway (top players=top whores...), so I can't even understand why it's still up.
I never liked ladders because they promote the worst gameplay.
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I agree with this ^
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405851 is a reply to message #405549] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 21:02 |
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the whole problem is, that people can't mind their own god damn business and leave things alone. its a game.. you play it for fun if its not your registered nick name then its none of your business how its used. and to address the points fix, yeah it makes sense, but since i mainly play in marathon, i don't like it. so i would rather it be made server side optional.
edit: i mean im glad its' going to be an option and im grateful that spoony cleared that mess up.
edit2: sorry came in late.. would have posted bout page 2 but had to go to work..
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Wed, 26 August 2009 |
Then again, banning anyone for anything automatically makes you a biased prick who shouldn't be a moderator.
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lol
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405860 is a reply to message #405842] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 22:33 |
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| Cunin wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 23:16 |
So what about removing that stupid ladder completely anyway? That will fix all problems, all point whores, all kill whores (well, most), and it's pretty broken anyway (top players=top whores...), so I can't even understand why it's still up.
I never liked ladders because they promote the worst gameplay.
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Best post yet. Ladder and ranking systems in ANY game promotes selfish gameplay. But on the other hand it keeps people interested.
I dunno wtf the point of this whole topic is, as was mentioned by someone else, MOST players are regulars in one server or another. A good number of people use 3.4.4 which sorts by other means. Anyone else may sort it by other means (me for example, since day 1 I've sorted by total player numbers). We're talking about a small group of players that just clicks the first server they see because they don't know any better. There are very few new players now.
Not worthy of 7 pages btw.
Spoony, I don't see the whole point of this. The only logical conclusion I can see is that you wanted some top names to begin beta testing some of these proposed settings. If that was the case I'm sure Jelly would've gladly shared a nick or two for this purpose. Any other purpose seems totally irrelevant at this point until the patch comes out. Then who cares, it'll be sorted by numbers or names then.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405871 is a reply to message #405869] |
Wed, 07 October 2009 00:22 |
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| Hex wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 01:38 |
| Homey wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 06:33 |
Ladder and ranking systems in ANY game promotes
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Not at all, some promote team play and don't reward point whores
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This. Isn't the beta ladder on jelly configured in such a way that points aren't awarded simply for score alone? Win percent, Kills, Deaths (lack thereof),vehicle and inf damage etc. is all taken into account, no?
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405878 is a reply to message #405549] |
Wed, 07 October 2009 01:03 |
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A ladder will hopefully be recreated as it promotes people to play (for ladder and thus "honour"). Individual ladders also do this but not to the same extend: if a server is empty, then people won't join it, hence their ladder won't improove + they may want to experience different kinds of gameplay while still earning ladder points.
To come back on the "first come, first serve" argument that was brought up before. I think that if you defend this argument, you need to defend it all the way through. Why would new communities, who just arrived and didn't get any a00 nickname then suddenly end up on page 1 just because they know some of the jelly admins or because they know Nightma (yes: I believe he's also involved? He even promotes his server rental by the fact that people who rent can get a higher nickname???) and have gotten a a00 nickname? Wouldn't it be fairer then to use the nicknames you need yourself (e.g. to have a top spot for your 5 own servers) and NOT use your other nicknames so people who were a bit later but were still very fast to register a nickname take the spot that empty up?
We'd then e.g. have a first page like this:
a00
a000
a0000
a00000
a00000001
a00000004
a00000007
a0000000a
a0000000b
a0000000m
a0000001b
See what I mean? Everyone would then be served on the principle of "first come, first serve" basis.
Just to add to this discussion, well knowing that the community I represent uses a0000000b.
To reply to one of the previous statements: it DOES still matter quite a bit if you're on page 1 or not. The fact you're on the bottom of it or on the top matters less.
When one or two of the top a00 are not used, our server ends up on the bottom of first page for all players (including small resolutions). We then get considerably more traffic than when all top a00 are used, and we're just below the first page for people on smaller reso's. Ow, and tbh: I'm not really complaining about the current situation for TK2. We have a decent situation and are happy to keep it going. I really don't think that our community should be used as an example in this case, when there's enough others that are in a way worse situation.
To end with this: first page can carry about 15 servers on any resolution. This could be plenty to give all established communities one (1!) server on the first page and still provide jelly with e.g. 2 or maybe even 3, allowing them to still maintain a huge impact on the first page. There's no need to actually take away any nicknames for that, it just requires Jelly and Nightma to come together (maybe with some other people) and come to an agreement about who exactly are those established communities, based on more or less objective elements, to offer a first page that's representative and offers players a large variety of game modes. But that's just "wishful thinking", I guess, and prolly not worth the effort in their eyes while waiting for TT.
A final ladder question. TK2 runs a server that's 100 % pure mode for the first 5 minutes oft he game, but allows donate after these first 5 minutes. How would u deal with this?
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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