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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 21:08 |
You know, I can't say I recall a clause in Renegade's license saying nicknames registered on the Westwood Online (XWIS) servers could be taken control of for the misguided purposes of an organization dedicated to improving the game using reverse engineered (and therefore illegal, although not so much with EA's approval) code...
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Thus Spoony is asking why, rather than annoucing that he, TT or anyone else now have control of those nicknames...
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405690 is a reply to message #405689] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 13:12 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:10 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 21:08 |
You know, I can't say I recall a clause in Renegade's license saying nicknames registered on the Westwood Online (XWIS) servers could be taken control of for the misguided purposes of an organization dedicated to improving the game using reverse engineered (and therefore illegal, although not so much with EA's approval) code...
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Thus Spoony is asking why, rather than annoucing that he, TT or anyone else now have control of those nicknames...
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Sorry, I admit that I didn't read the entire thing because it's so far proved to be the same recycled bullshit that's come up repeatedly. At this point it seems to simply be ammunition in his pro-pointmod argument.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405695 is a reply to message #405549] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 13:21 |
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how doesnt he deserve the a00 names? hes offered servers for people to play in hes been a good factor in how renegade has kept alive by playing community wars hes opened tournaments open to anybody who signs up
yes somebody should have control over the names hows about the person who made the names has control over them?
i dont see u respecting anyones opinions about not liking the points fix i have accepted the -50% ladder crap u are throwing at jelly to try and get us to move to the points fix
but because we do not want it even after that you start by trying to take the server owners names all because u believe people from TT patch who are associated with u( which tbh i dont feel is a very good idea considering if u ask the cw.cc community theyd have chosen jelly to lead cw.cc over u most likely, not trying to be offensive just what i believe and what other people have told me believe)
im sorry but this is showing no respect for people who have enjoyed playing renegade the way it has always been played
i get u believe that pointsfix would make things fairer etc its ur opinion gl with that
but why on earth are u trying to destroy other communities which wont run the point fix by removing them from the games list?
your not happy with putting jelly server players at a disadvantage by giving us only 50% ladder so you keep going on n on n on?
theres a time where u have to say enough is enough
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405696 is a reply to message #405549] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 13:26 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 13:15 |
FURTHER IDIOTIC POSTING WILL RESULT IN A 24 HOUR BAN...
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Good. I totally agree; This thread needs to be cleaned and a lock would stop all the idiotic posti-
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 13:21 |
how doesnt he deserve the a00 names? hes offered servers for people to play in hes been a good factor in how renegade has kept alive by playing community wars hes opened tournaments open to anybody who signs up
yes somebody should have control over the names hows about the person who made the names has control over them?
i dont see u respecting anyones opinions about not liking the points fix i have accepted the -50% ladder crap u are throwing at jelly to try and get us to move to the points fix
but because we do not want it even after that you start by trying to take the server owners names all because u believe people from TT patch who are associated with u( which tbh i dont feel is a very good idea considering if u ask the cw.cc community theyd have chosen jelly to lead cw.cc over u most likely, not trying to be offensive just what i believe and what other people have told me believe)
im sorry but this is showing no respect for people who have enjoyed playing renegade the way it has always been played
i get u believe that pointsfix would make things fairer etc its ur opinion gl with that
but why on earth are u trying to destroy other communities which wont run the point fix by removing them from the games list?
your not happy with putting jelly server players at a disadvantage by giving us only 50% ladder so you keep going on n on n on?
theres a time where u have to say enough is enough
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405699 is a reply to message #405695] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 13:31 |
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| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:21 |
how doesnt he deserve the a00 names?
yes somebody should have control over the names hows about the person who made the names has control over them?
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because he made so many of them!
because no new server has a chance of getting players unless jelly smiles upon it!
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:21 |
i dont see u respecting anyones opinions about not liking the points fix
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then you aren't looking, end of story. we gave the anti-pointsfix crowd EVERYTHING THEY WANTED.
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:21 |
i have accepted the -50% ladder crap u are throwing at jelly to try and get us to move to the points fix
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no, it's to make the ladder better. end of story. remember the ladder? i have the task of making it as good as it can be. i plan on doing this as good as i can. i've given plenty of reasons for the pointsbug ladder penalty, and you either haven't read my posts on the subject or you choose to mislead people again like you did about clanwars (i'll come back to that)
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:21 |
which tbh i dont feel is a very good idea considering if u ask the cw.cc community theyd have chosen jelly to lead cw.cc over u most likely, not trying to be offensive just what i believe and what other people have told me believe)
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what do you mean "lead cw.cc"?
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:21 |
i get u believe that pointsfix would make things fairer etc its ur opinion gl with that
but why on earth are u trying to destroy other communities which wont run the point fix by removing them from the games list?
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I'M NOT. READ MY POSTS AND THEN COME BACK WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:21 |
your not happy with putting jelly server players at a disadvantage by giving us only 50% ladder so you keep going on n on n on?
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actually the ladder penalty for the pointsbug doesn't look like it will make a difference, because jelly seems to have disconnected their own servers from the official ladder, and they did that BEFORE i posted about the ladder penalty.
i don't know why they did that, i found it intriguing, i asked why 3 or 4 times and haven't got an answer yet.
anyway, back to the point. here you are making all these wrong statements about my plans for the game listings and for the ladder. remember the last time you did this? you kept saying omg spoonys defending h2o. a quick fact check showed you were totally wrong... and again, you post all this nonsense without even reading the thread, without reading what i'm even saying.
read my posts, THEN come back and give me your opinions on them. i don't care what you think about my ideas if you don't even know what they are.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405700 is a reply to message #405549] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 13:33 |
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Moderator's point:The lock is temporary so I can clean without further posts causing issues.
My own point:
You are correct, the pointsfix does have something to do with this, it does, however cause a large number of people to post things which are not related to both parts of the topic. Also, these posts are typically less than... useful.
Could someone, preferably from Jelly, answer my post from page 3? The one about why Jelly gets to decide who gets new players...
Moderator's point again:
Strict moderation is on in this topic for the purposes of getting the discussion finished:
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2) Repetitive offenders will get a ban. I want this discussion to finish, and if that means I have to prevent certain people from participating, I will. I, at this point, remind you that should you feel my actions are excessive, complain to Crimson or Blazer via PM.
3) Please, avoid ad-hominem (That is, insulting people). It's against the forum rules anyway, and is excessive.
Let's see if we can debate this properly now.
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405706 is a reply to message #405700] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 13:50 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:33 |
Moderator's point:The lock is temporary so I can clean without further posts causing issues.
My own point:
You are correct, the pointsfix does have something to do with this, it does, however cause a large number of people to post things which are not related to both parts of the topic. Also, these posts are typically less than... useful.
Could someone, preferably from Jelly, answer my post from page 3? The one about why Jelly gets to decide who gets new players...
Moderator's point again:
Strict moderation is on in this topic for the purposes of getting the discussion finished:
THIS THREAD HAS ADDITIONAL RULES! READ CAREFULLY BEFORE POSTING!
1) Anything offtopic (posted after this post) will be removed and the offending individual will receive, at least, an official warning (These are used in deciding ban length etc, so try not to get them )
2) Repetitive offenders will get a ban. I want this discussion to finish, and if that means I have to prevent certain people from participating, I will. I, at this point, remind you that should you feel my actions are excessive, complain to Crimson or Blazer via PM.
3) Please, avoid ad-hominem (That is, insulting people). It's against the forum rules anyway, and is excessive.
Let's see if we can debate this properly now.
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Answer to your question, fortune. Why do people who register company's called A1 get listed first in the yellow pages? Early bird catches the worm.
Thing is though, apart from hurting a few server owners feelings, we don't do anything wrong. We don't allow cheats, we run good clean servers, and try our best to keep the community active by also involving other setups with comm games. We provide a good overall service and listen to the people who play in our servers. I'm happy with how we conduct ourselves.
I have a compromise I may be willing to offer to the relevant people, but I aint doing it on here. I will chat to the TT people if they want to..
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405709 is a reply to message #405549] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 13:55 |
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I agree that fortune should allow one player to get the nickname they want, but why should it dictate who gets to be on the top and get the new players. No one's disputing that you were clever in getting those names, but my question is why you have the right to that power, given that "fortune" is barely a justification. Your "fortune" has meant, as Spoony has said, the death of several good communities.
Also, why the private discussion, I've gone to great lengths (And size 7 text) to get this thread into a state where this can be discussed. I, as a public member of the Renegade community, would like to see the discussion which would lead to some better "fortune" for those communities with no high nickname.
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Supporters of Proposition 8 will argue California does not discriminate against gays, as the current law allows them to get married - as long as they wed a partner of the opposite sex.
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405710 is a reply to message #405709] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 13:57 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:55 |
I agree that fortune should allow one player to get the nickname they want, but why should it dictate who gets to be on the top and get the new players. No one's disputing that you were clever in getting those names, but my question is why you have the right to that power, given that "fortune" is barely a justification. Your "fortune" has meant, as Spoony has said, the death of several good communities.
Also, why the private discussion, I've gone to great lengths (And size 7 text) to get this thread into a state where this can be discussed. I, as a public member of the Renegade community, would like to see the discussion which would lead to some better "fortune" for those communities with no high nickname.
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Why does he have the right to that power? 'Cause first-come-first-served, bro. That's how it worked from the start.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405711 is a reply to message #405709] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:55 |
Also, why the private discussion, I've gone to great lengths (And size 7 text) to get this thread into a state where this can be discussed. I, as a public member of the Renegade community, would like to see the discussion which would lead to some better "fortune" for those communities with no high nickname.
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Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405712 is a reply to message #405549] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:02 |
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Why does that give him the arbitrary right to pick which communities live? (Yes, it really is that dramatic, look at BC, for example) The point is that at any point, any server can be consigned to a lower ranking because Jelly wants to (Not that he has done that, AFAIK, and if he has, I don't want that to become a part of this thread. Take it elsewhere, let us assume for now he hasn't) and that alone is not fair. First come first served doesn't justify the control over which communities get to have players. That's like saying whoever is older gets to have the top spots... first come first served is not a mandate to any power. Hence stable, democratic societies.
I think it does concern the playing public, Raven, it makes a big difference to them.
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405713 is a reply to message #405712] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:04 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:02 |
Why does that give him the arbitrary right to pick which communities live? (Yes, it really is that dramatic, look at BC, for example) The point is that at any point, any server can be consigned to a lower ranking because Jelly wants to (Not that he has done that, AFAIK, and if he has, I don't want that to become a part of this thread. Take it elsewhere, let us assume for now he hasn't) and that alone is not fair. First come first served doesn't justify the control over which communities get to have players. That's like saying whoever is older gets to have the top spots... first come first served is not a mandate to any power. Hence stable, democratic societies.
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Except it was a matter of registering nicknames to play an online multiplayer game with, not with which to construct empires. I agree that it sucks to get the short end of the straw, but Jelly used entirely legitimate channels to get to where he has; why should anybody receive the right to reverse that?
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405714 is a reply to message #405711] |
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| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405716 is a reply to message #405714] |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405718 is a reply to message #405699] |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:26 |
| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 13:15 |
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Good. I totally agree; This thread needs to be cleaned and a lock would stop all the idiotic posti-
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 13:21 |
how doesnt he deserve the a00 names? hes offered servers for people to play in hes been a good factor in how renegade has kept alive by playing community wars hes opened tournaments open to anybody who signs up
yes somebody should have control over the names hows about the person who made the names has control over them?
i dont see u respecting anyones opinions about not liking the points fix i have accepted the -50% ladder crap u are throwing at jelly to try and get us to move to the points fix
but because we do not want it even after that you start by trying to take the server owners names all because u believe people from TT patch who are associated with u( which tbh i dont feel is a very good idea considering if u ask the cw.cc community theyd have chosen jelly to lead cw.cc over u most likely, not trying to be offensive just what i believe and what other people have told me believe)
im sorry but this is showing no respect for people who have enjoyed playing renegade the way it has always been played
i get u believe that pointsfix would make things fairer etc its ur opinion gl with that
but why on earth are u trying to destroy other communities which wont run the point fix by removing them from the games list?
your not happy with putting jelly server players at a disadvantage by giving us only 50% ladder so you keep going on n on n on?
theres a time where u have to say enough is enough
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Uh-oh.
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u should probaly ban this nerd for doing nothing but just sitting on his thumb all day calling other people stupid
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| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:21 |
how doesnt he deserve the a00 names?
yes somebody should have control over the names hows about the person who made the names has control over them?
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because he made so many of them!
because no new server has a chance of getting players unless jelly smiles upon it!
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:21 |
i dont see u respecting anyones opinions about not liking the points fix
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then you aren't looking, end of story. we gave the anti-pointsfix crowd EVERYTHING THEY WANTED.
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:21 |
i have accepted the -50% ladder crap u are throwing at jelly to try and get us to move to the points fix
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no, it's to make the ladder better. end of story. remember the ladder? i have the task of making it as good as it can be. i plan on doing this as good as i can. i've given plenty of reasons for the pointsbug ladder penalty, and you either haven't read my posts on the subject or you choose to mislead people again like you did about clanwars (i'll come back to that)
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:21 |
which tbh i dont feel is a very good idea considering if u ask the cw.cc community theyd have chosen jelly to lead cw.cc over u most likely, not trying to be offensive just what i believe and what other people have told me believe)
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what do you mean "lead cw.cc"?
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:21 |
i get u believe that pointsfix would make things fairer etc its ur opinion gl with that
but why on earth are u trying to destroy other communities which wont run the point fix by removing them from the games list?
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I'M NOT. READ MY POSTS AND THEN COME BACK WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
| ZeLL wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 15:21 |
your not happy with putting jelly server players at a disadvantage by giving us only 50% ladder so you keep going on n on n on?
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actually the ladder penalty for the pointsbug doesn't look like it will make a difference, because jelly seems to have disconnected their own servers from the official ladder, and they did that BEFORE i posted about the ladder penalty.
i don't know why they did that, i found it intriguing, i asked why 3 or 4 times and haven't got an answer yet.
anyway, back to the point. here you are making all these wrong statements about my plans for the game listings and for the ladder. remember the last time you did this? you kept saying omg spoonys defending h2o. a quick fact check showed you were totally wrong... and again, you post all this nonsense without even reading the thread, without reading what i'm even saying.
read my posts, THEN come back and give me your opinions on them. i don't care what you think about my ideas if you don't even know what they are.
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like i said ive read ur reasons for the pointsbug ladder penalty and i told u before ive accepted the 50% ladder but i dont believe u should have the right to strip away jellys servers just to replace them with servers which have points fix all ur doing is trying to eliminate the current point systems servers
this is why i do not agree with what ur saying and trying to accomplish
i think if jelly gets the names first hes entitled to keep them and do whatever he wishes
by leading cw.cc i meant become the admin of it and run the league sorry wasnt clear about it
ive alrdy told u about the h2o thing i read ur topic i believed what u was saying was defending h2o but when u explained i got it,
i dont see why u had to bring this up it has nothing to do with this situation its just once again u always resort to this kind of crap in some way to try and attempt to get into a fight with him if u seriously want to make everything clear not only to me but others aswell maybe u should try not to get a rise out of people and talk to them like people. if u did this in the first place u wouldnt have made such a ridiculous topic and u n jelly wouldve most likely came to some sort of conclusion or something fair everybody knows jelly is a reasonable person to talk to.
even u have to admit u was wrong to speak publicly about this
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405719 is a reply to message #405549] |
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@ Ethanal:
No one's forcibly reversing that, if they were, I doubt they'd have made a topic, they'd have just done it. We're trying to prove that, as no one is forcibly reversing anything, the fact that Jelly owns so many names is not exactly fair on new communities or any he may take a hypothetical dislike to, and thus this topic is also a request to Jelly to consider that. (The pointsfix is involved, as Jelly does not, for reasons that have no bearing on this thread, use the pointsfix, and Spoony would like a Pointsfix, 0 Start credits etc etc server somewhere towards the top of the listings)
@ Dover, NO IMAGE MACROS. FFS.
@ Zell. Moderator me says: No ad-hominem please, I want a proper discussion.
I say (Also @Zell): Spoony is simply trying to lower the degree of control Jelly has. Not remove Jelly from the top of the list. Doing so would be idiotic in the extreme.
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405722 is a reply to message #405720] |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405724 is a reply to message #405722] |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:11 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
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And TT's project is their sole property. What difference does it make that the results of that project will be used by others? Jelly's servers are used by people other than him. They're even occasionally used by people who don't consider themselves part of the Jelly community (Like myself).
Jelly's server is his sole property = cool.
TT's project is their sole intelectual property = great
Jelly's server is used by other people who aren't Jelly or Jelly-affiliated = Awesome
TT's project will be used by people outside TT = ???
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405727 is a reply to message #405724] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:19 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:14 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:11 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
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And TT's project is their sole property. What difference does it make that the results of that project will be used by others? Jelly's servers are used by people other than him. They're even occasionally used by people who don't consider themselves part of the Jelly community (Like myself).
Jelly's server is his sole property = cool.
TT's project is their sole intelectual property = great
Jelly's server is used by other people who aren't Jelly or Jelly-affiliated = Awesome
TT's project will be used by people outside TT = ???
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The difference is that EA requires that TT's project's results must be approved by the collective of the community. They can happily release it however they want to, but then the people that manually download it agree to the terms of the project. If EA pushes it, then they're forced to agree. On the otherhand, it says nowhere that nicknames registered on WOL are public domain. Jelly can do whatever he wants with them regardless of whether they affect the rest of the community, because nobody said he couldn't (nobody that mattered, anyway).
EDIT: Whoa there, nobody was talking about Jelly's server. Just his nicknames.
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
@ Ethanal:
No one's forcibly reversing that, if they were, I doubt they'd have made a topic, they'd have just done it. We're trying to prove that, as no one is forcibly reversing anything, the fact that Jelly owns so many names is not exactly fair on new communities or any he may take a hypothetical dislike to, and thus this topic is also a request to Jelly to consider that. (The pointsfix is involved, as Jelly does not, for reasons that have no bearing on this thread, use the pointsfix, and Spoony would like a Pointsfix, 0 Start credits etc etc server somewhere towards the top of the listings)
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Yes, but wouldn't that be the hypothetical solution were people to agree it was unfair to other communities?
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405730 is a reply to message #405722] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:21 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 22:11 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
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Your argument is that there is no higher authority, so that there is no obligation at all to do anything? Nice morals. (Not a personal comment, just pointing out that those should always be present)
Edit, I would hope that logic, common sense, morals and politeness could factor in creating a decision with no need for any authority wielding.
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:21 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 22:11 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
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Your argument is that there is no higher authority, so that there is no obligation at all to do anything? Nice morals. (Not a personal comment, just pointing out that those should always be present)
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Except morals aren't a factor if we're questioning the fairness of the situation now are they?
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Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405733 is a reply to message #405727] |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:19 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:14 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:11 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
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And TT's project is their sole property. What difference does it make that the results of that project will be used by others? Jelly's servers are used by people other than him. They're even occasionally used by people who don't consider themselves part of the Jelly community (Like myself).
Jelly's server is his sole property = cool.
TT's project is their sole intelectual property = great
Jelly's server is used by other people who aren't Jelly or Jelly-affiliated = Awesome
TT's project will be used by people outside TT = ???
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The difference is that EA requires that TT's project's results must be approved by the collective of the community. They can happily release it however they want to, but then the people that manually download it agree to the terms of the project. If EA pushes it, then they're forced to agree. On the otherhand, it says nowhere that nicknames registered on WOL are public domain. Jelly can do whatever he wants with them regardless of whether they affect the rest of the community, because nobody said he couldn't (nobody that mattered, anyway).
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EA hasn't rejected the project yet, and all signs point that they'll give the go-ahead since it'll get the Renegade community off their back, at least temporarily. If EA were to voice some kind of concern with the direction TT was taking, you might have a point here. But as it is they don't give two shits about us.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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