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| Tildeth wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 00:59 |
I'm just saying that it's going to affect the number of players in the servers running the fix, hence, my distaste for it. What about that don't you understand? Evidently everything, because every time I try and make you aware of these facts you go off raging about how unethical the entire clanwars league was for jumping out of their tank at the last second LOL.
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Once again, you simply don't read my posts... either that or they're too painful for you to confront. I've simply proven you were LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH when you said you support the idea of each community choosing whether to use the pointsfix or not. That's right. LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH.
The clanwars situation proved where you really stand about each community's individual choice: you oppose it.
The only way you can argue otherwise is by repudiating everything you've said on this subject. This means two things. 1. respect me, the rightful renadmin and league owner, in my wishes to use the pointsfix in the clanwars league. 2. condemn the despicable actions of people like simpee, clearshot, mikey, etc. who continually lied about the situation to influence opinion, who resorted to character assassination when they couldn't think of a real argument, who disregarded and subverted the wishes of the person who hosted the league for them, and who lied to the server hosts to get what they wanted because they knew honesty wouldn't work.
this ^^ is what you have to say if you want anyone to believe you support the idea of each community having a choice, pointsfix or pointsbug. if you don't repudiate your earlier position (that of clanwars) we must assume you still hold this position, which is IN DIRECT OPPOSITION to each community having its own choice.
and if you still hold this position, it means four things. 1. you place no value at all upon honesty (although we knew that anyway). 2. you have no respect for fair play, since every single person who was involved with this bullshit at clanwars has a shitty track record when it comes to fairness. 3. you have zero respect for the only person who could be bothered hosting a clan league for you - you think cheaters and pointpushers and rulebreakers ought to be able to subvert him just as long as their views on the pointsfix are similar to yours. 4. you oppose the very idea of each community's individual choice of whether to use the pointsfix.
| Tildeth wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 00:59 |
And don't worry, I made the poll.
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yes, clearly you know how badly you're losing this argument so you change the subject to something that is totally irrelevant. "YEAH WELL MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE POINTSFIX!" well even if that's true (and the evidence is against you on this) so what? if we're giving servers the choice, some will use the pointsfix, some won't, and everybody's happy, right? (the one fly in the ointment, of course, is the jelly-games sleeperhold on the game listings, which shits all over your credibility whenever you talk about "most players" and, indeed, "dictators")
but you want a headcount, do you? ok, fine. but let's count it FAIRLY, shall we?
first, let's give the pointsfix the unique control over renegade the pointsbug has had for SIX YEARS. then, let's treat anyone advocating the pointsbug with the contempt people like you have shown me, for no reason. then, let's make it so the advocates of the pointsfix use the same appalling tactics the pointsbug supporters have used, thereby shitting all over their own credibility at every turn. Then, the two positions will be equivalent, so then the poll would be fair.
can you imagine that? imagine if the situation were reversed, if the bug never existed and the points system was the one westwood actually designed. imagine if someone - you, for example - came along and advocated the points bug. imagine how the conversation would go.
tildeth: "hi, i've come up with an improvement to the points system"
spoony: "go on..."
tildeth: "you can get points for shooting stuff you don't damage!"
spoony: "why...?"
tildeth: "i don't know."
spoony: "so... will this happen against everything, then?"
tildeth: "DUHH! NO, NOT EVERYTHING! just vehicles."
spoony: "uh, why just vehicles? why not buildings and infantry too if this is the way your mind is working?"
tildeth: "i don't know. by the way, it won't happen all the time. just when the vehicles have green health."
spoony: "....why? why not when they have red/yellow health if this is what you're thinking?"
tildeth: "again, i don't know."
spoony: "this concept of yours... was that supposed to happen, do you think...? i mean, is it what westwood were thinking?"
tildeth: "no."
spoony: "will this make the economy system more strategic?"
tildeth: "no, quite the opposite actually."
spoony: "is this gonna make people better players?"
tildeth: "hell no, people will waste time shooting tanks ineffectually instead of actually doing something useful like damaging the enemy or repairing their base."
spoony: "does it make the game fairer?"
tildeth: "no, if anything it makes the game less fair. nod will have a hell of a time winning maps like field and under. it also will mean that defensive play will be rewarded over aggressive play"
spoony: "um.... maybe you think it'll be easier for new players?"
tildeth: "no, in fact it makes a simple points system a lot harder to understand."
spoony: "sorry bud, but i'm not seeing how your idea makes any sense AT ALL..."
tildeth: "me neither."
spoony: "so... in what sense is this an 'improvement'?"
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only coz 1 mod and an old reg treated you doesnt mean that the whole jelly staff act like this. you did see that clearly as the mod got demoded.
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i guess you don't read that many posts on the jelly forum, huh? i wasn't talking about joetorp. i get treated with more contempt than most cheaters, despite the fact i've done absolutely nothing wrong, and in fact have gone to great lengths to stick up for the interests of people who don't like the pointsfix, no matter how appallingly they treat me.
and i'm not talking about just a couple of people. i'm talking about the MAJORITY of the moderators and the MAJORITY of the admins.
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #404933 is a reply to message #404930] |
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 10:52 |
| tellsson wrote |
only coz 1 mod and an old reg treated you doesnt mean that the whole jelly staff act like this. you did see that clearly as the mod got demoded.
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i guess you don't read that many posts on the jelly forum, huh? i wasn't talking about joetorp. i get treated with more contempt than most cheaters, despite the fact i've done absolutely nothing wrong, and in fact have gone to great lengths to stick up for the interests of people who don't like the pointsfix, no matter how appallingly they treat me.
and i'm not talking about just a couple of people. i'm talking about the MAJORITY of the moderators and the MAJORITY of the admins.
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yer sure... i dont need to read the jelly forum, i`m only a jelly mod for ages 
i thought we talked about the pointmod, and the pointmod isnt inserted in the forum. did you forgot?? its a game option.
if the ppls flame you in the forum, then its a forum thing. and this has nothing to do with the player-loss ingame.
you can see it here. i almost bet this topic get locked, coz you provocate a flame-war against you.
tell me, what has my answer from another topic to do with this topic?? you provocate an answer, and so you can say: oh.. me is poor boy.. nobody likes me, all flames at me...
thats a really cheap tactic/strategy. stop that bullshit, and ppls will perhaps act normal and stop with flaming you.
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| Re: Tildeath vs Spoony [message #404935 is a reply to message #404930] |
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Moved this to heated discussions so you can continue your discussion here if wanted. No need to keep it in the TT forum.
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #404936 is a reply to message #404933] |
Fri, 02 October 2009 02:24 |
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| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:12 |
yer sure... i dont need to read the jelly forum, i`m only a jelly mod for ages
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And you think the only person there treating me unfairly is Joetorp, do you?
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:12 |
i thought we talked about the pointmod, and the pointmod isnt inserted in the forum. did you forgot?? its a game option.
if the ppls flame you in the forum, then its a forum thing. and this has nothing to do with the player-loss ingame.
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We were talking about why the player count dropped. This DIDN'T happen to n00bstories, and n00bstories still seems to get more players - even now, after this whole exodus business, even though jelly still has its chokehold on the game listings.
i simply pointed out that there might be a bit more to it than that...
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:12 |
you provocate an answer, and so you can say: oh.. me is poor boy.. nobody likes me, all flames at me...
thats a really cheap tactic/strategy. stop that bullshit, and ppls will perhaps act normal and stop with flaming you.
greetz telly ^^
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stop what? what have i done wrong, which would justify the disgusting way the majority of the jelly moderators and admins have treated me for some time? don't dodge this question, answer it or admit you can't answer it. i'm treated with more public contempt than msgtpain for fuck's sake.
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #404938 is a reply to message #404936] |
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 11:24 |
stop what? what have i done wrong, which would justify the disgusting way the majority of the jelly moderators and admins have treated me for some time? don't dodge this question, answer it or admit you can't answer it.
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well, thats easy to answer. just read your posts and replies and you can see why. your only luck is that my english is to bad to write such essays like you do. i could type it in german, but then the majority of the ppls cant read it. (you included)
you provocate ppls, you make them angry, you insult them in a diplomatic way.. and so on.
btw, you didnt answer my question: tell me, what has my answer from another topic to do with this topic??
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #404940 is a reply to message #404938] |
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| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:45 |
well, thats easy to answer. just read your posts and replies and you can see why. your only luck is that my english is to bad to write such essays like you do. i could type it in german, but then the majority of the ppls cant read it. (you included)
you provocate ppls, you make them angry, you insult them in a diplomatic way.. and so on.
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this is RIDICULOUS.
firstly, in the space of half an hour you've gone from "nobody except joetorp is doing this" to "ok, a lot of others are doing this but it's your fault"... how contemptible.
secondly, go actually read the pointsfix debates. you'll see me civilly and logically advancing my own case. you'll see almost everyone on the other side resorting to character assassination, endless streams of insults, outright lying to make me look bad, etc. and DESPITE THIS you'll see me making concession after concession to these idiots, meeting people halfway when they have no intention of budging a single inch, and doing all sorts of favours for people who are treating me with more contempt than they treat most cheaters.
nobody has ever explained how i do anything wrong in these debates, and if you can't, here and now, you owe me an apology. you aren't the only one, of course, but you seem a bit more level-headed than the majority of the jelly mods and admins.
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:45 |
btw, you didnt answer my question: tell me, what has my answer from another topic to do with this topic??
greetz telly ^^
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you're asking why they're two different topics? that's not my fault. i replied in the same thread. i assume goztow split the topics, because tildeth realised how horribly his "poll" nonsense was backfiring on him and deleted it.
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| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:45 |
btw, you didnt answer my question: tell me, what has my answer from another topic to do with this topic??
greetz telly ^^
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you're asking why they're two different topics? that's not my fault. i replied in the same thread. i assume goztow split the topics, because tildeth deleted it.[/quote]
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #404952 is a reply to message #404940] |
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 12:31 |
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 04:45 |
well, thats easy to answer. just read your posts and replies and you can see why. your only luck is that my english is to bad to write such essays like you do. i could type it in german, but then the majority of the ppls cant read it. (you included)
you provocate ppls, you make them angry, you insult them in a diplomatic way.. and so on.
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this is RIDICULOUS.
firstly, in the space of half an hour you've gone from "nobody except joetorp is doing this" to "ok, a lot of others are doing this but it's your fault"... how contemptible.
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read this:
| Tildeth wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 23:54 |
Didn't you notice the same thing at Jelly (as tellsson pointed out earlier)?
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and your answer:
perhaps jelly moderators and admins treating players like absolute shit for no reason might have something to do with it too? just look at the way they treat me, despite the fact i've done absolutely nothing wrong.
you both talked clearly about the player-loss ingame, and so i did answer you that only 2 ppls did treat you INGAME.
That ppls flaming you in the forums is another pair of shoes.
| Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 12:31 |
nobody has ever explained how i do anything wrong in these debates, and if you can't, here and now, you owe me an apology. you aren't the only one, of course, but you seem a bit more level-headed than the majority of the jelly mods and admins.
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like i said earlier, you have a diplomatic way to attack/insult/provocate ppls in the forums. And i`m sure you know what i mean. I could explain it easy, but in german coz my english isnt that good.
Lets make an experiment. We make a debate in german and i want that you talk in german also. Then you can easy see where the problem is, why i dont make big debates in english.
Greetz telly ^^
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #404965 is a reply to message #404952] |
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| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 |
you both talked clearly about the player-loss ingame, and so i did answer you that only 2 ppls did treat you INGAME.
That ppls flaming you in the forums is another pair of shoes.
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I can see why you think that, but are they so separate? No matter how disgustingly the mods+admins treat somebody on the forum, it can't possibly put them off playing in the server?
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 |
like i said earlier, you have a diplomatic way to attack/insult/provocate ppls in the forums. And i`m sure you know what i mean.
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I do NOT know what you mean at all. I don't think there is anything wrong with the way I debate stuff like the pointsfix, and nobody has ever successfully explained that there is. Plenty of people have tried and failed CATASTROPHICALLY (gladiator is probably the best example of this, and of course everybody jumps all over his post like he's just achieved world peace or something, whereas anyone can plainly see he's talking COMPLETE bollocks)
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 |
I could explain it easy, but in german coz my english isnt that good.
Lets make an experiment. We make a debate in german and i want that you talk in german also. Then you can easy see where the problem is, why i dont make big debates in english.
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Two problems. 1. I never said I could speak German. 2. I don't generally hang around forums where speaking German is the norm.
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #404972 is a reply to message #404968] |
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tildeth's well and truly lost already, he's already gotten his own posts deleted out of sheer embarrassment.
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #404973 is a reply to message #404952] |
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| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 |
asy, but in german coz my english isnt that good.
Lets make an experiment. We make a debate in german and i want that you talk in german also. Then you can easy see where the problem is, why i dont make big debates in english.
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Interestingly, I believe this isn't the first time I've read a similar cop-out from someone debating Spoony.
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #404974 is a reply to message #404973] |
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Wasn't the last time in a religious debate with a Muslim guy? I think it was archerman. He offered to debate and crush Spoony in a Turkish debate...I think so.
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #404975 is a reply to message #404974] |
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it gets better btw.
tildeth's "poll" was humiliatingly defeated, and now the jelly community is trying to cover up that it ever happened, lol
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #404976 is a reply to message #404965] |
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 11:06 |
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 |
like i said earlier, you have a diplomatic way to attack/insult/provocate ppls in the forums. And i`m sure you know what i mean.
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I do NOT know what you mean at all.
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What he means is you speak your case in a diplomatic way, which is good, but you also include veiled hostility. If I imagine a person saying the words you are typing, the face speaking them isn't calm and polite, it's annoyed and possibly angry.
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I'm being accused of 'veiled hostility' by a guy who threatened me with eternal punishment in the afterlife for disagreeing with his religion?
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 12:18 |
I'm being accused of 'veiled hostility' by a guy who threatened me with eternal punishment in the afterlife for disagreeing with his religion?
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Oops, thanks, I forgot to add "misinterpretation" to the list.
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i'll fill you in. one moment.
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #404999 is a reply to message #404965] |
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| Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 18:06 |
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 |
you both talked clearly about the player-loss ingame, and so i did answer you that only 2 ppls did treat you INGAME.
That ppls flaming you in the forums is another pair of shoes.
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I can see why you think that, but are they so separate? No matter how disgustingly the mods+admins treat somebody on the forum, it can't possibly put them off playing in the server? .
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lol?? Like 10% of our players in jelly1 use our forum, and this are almost all regs who still are here. They didnt leave j1. but the players who had a problem with the pointmod left j1, and played in another jelly server, without pointmod. (just a reminder, we talk about the player-loss coz the pointmod)
so, yes, they are really separate.
| Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 18:06 |
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 |
like i said earlier, you have a diplomatic way to attack/insult/provocate ppls in the forums. And i`m sure you know what i mean.
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I do NOT know what you mean at all. I don't think there is anything wrong with the way I debate stuff like the pointsfix, and nobody has ever successfully explained that there is. Plenty of people have tried and failed CATASTROPHICALLY (gladiator is probably the best example of this, and of course everybody jumps all over his post like he's just achieved world peace or something, whereas anyone can plainly see he's talking COMPLETE bollocks)
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Roflmao!! And exactly in this few sentences, you showed us all what i did mean. Playing the personification of innocence. Many ppls told you in many posts what they think about your debates, and about your "choice of words". of corse you did defend yourself. Its ok, its your opinion about yourself. But dont try to instill your opinion about yourself into other ppls.
| Spoony wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 18:06 |
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 08:21 |
I could explain it easy, but in german coz my english isnt that good.
Lets make an experiment. We make a debate in german and i want that you talk in german also. Then you can easy see where the problem is, why i dont make big debates in english.
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Two problems. 1. I never said I could speak German. 2. I don't generally hang around forums where speaking German is the norm.
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Well, and thats the point. Many ren-players have another native lang. They would say theyr opinion but you did devastate them with your oh sooo big essays. And most of the ppls who tried to tell us theyr opinion did feel totally helpless, coz they didnt understand all, or couldnt explain it right coz lack of lang. And what did you?? You just picked the sentences where they did explain something wrong, and then you called them liars and such, till they gave up. easy way to get yourself the feeling of a winner. gj
What would you do, if the germans in this forum start a debate about you, in german.
You could ignore it, and they all could laugh about you, how you dodge this debate, and so on.
Or you could try to defend yourself and you would make so many faillures, coz you fail in german lang. And they could destroy you with powerfully eloquent essays like you do with others here, and you would finally see how cheap and mean that is.
or do you think, ppls who has another lang then english shouldnt have the right to tell us what they think?
greetz telly ^^
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Drama!
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
Remember kids the internet is serious business.
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| Re: Tildeath vs Spoony [message #405007 is a reply to message #405002] |
Fri, 02 October 2009 13:14 |
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:57 |
Drama!
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| Re: Pointfix: POLL [message #405073 is a reply to message #404999] |
Fri, 02 October 2009 19:15 |
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| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 |
lol?? Like 10% of our players in jelly1 use our forum, and this are almost all regs who still are here. They didnt leave j1. but the players who had a problem with the pointmod left j1, and played in another jelly server, without pointmod. (just a reminder, we talk about the player-loss coz the pointmod)
so, yes, they are really separate.
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hey, all i said was the pointsfix may not have been the only reason.
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 |
Roflmao!! And exactly in this few sentences, you showed us all what i did mean. Playing the personification of innocence. Many ppls told you in many posts what they think about your debates, and about your "choice of words". of corse you did defend yourself.
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no, in this few sentences I showed you you were talking complete bullshit and you can't answer the perfectly simple question: what am I doing so very wrong?
here you are again:
I do NOT know what you mean at all. I don't think there is anything wrong with the way I debate stuff like the pointsfix, and nobody has ever successfully explained that there is. Plenty of people have tried and failed CATASTROPHICALLY (gladiator is probably the best example of this, and of course everybody jumps all over his post like he's just achieved world peace or something, whereas anyone can plainly see he's talking COMPLETE bollocks)
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 |
Well, and thats the point. Many ren-players have another native lang. They would say theyr opinion but you did devastate them with your oh sooo big essays. And most of the ppls who tried to tell us theyr opinion did feel totally helpless, coz they didnt understand all, or couldnt explain it right coz lack of lang.
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ok, this explains the ones who aren't british, american, canadian etc. perhaps now you can make excuses for the majority whose first language is english?
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 |
And what did you?? You just picked the sentences where they did explain something wrong, and then you called them liars and such, till they gave up. easy way to get yourself the feeling of a winner. gj
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now you're just being dishonest. every single time i called someone a liar, it was entirely justified. if you wanna pretend that the anti-pointsfix crowd HAVEN'T been caught lying AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, then frankly you're on the verge of joining their ranks.
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 |
What would you do, if the germans in this forum start a debate about you, in german.
You could ignore it, and they all could laugh about you, how you dodge this debate, and so on.
Or you could try to defend yourself and you would make so many faillures, coz you fail in german lang. And they could destroy you with powerfully eloquent essays like you do with others here, and you would finally see how cheap and mean that is.
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I'll just repeat what I said before.
Two problems. 1. I never said I could speak German. 2. I don't generally hang around forums where speaking German is the norm.
This seems pretty straightforward to me.
| tellsson wrote on Fri, 02 October 2009 14:51 |
or do you think, ppls who has another lang then english shouldnt have the right to tell us what they think?
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No, but I do think that when they're caught lying or proven wrong they shouldn't pretend it's because there's a language barrier...
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Renedrama [ren-i-drah-muh]
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