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| Re: 'OnLive' could threaten Xbox, PS3, and Wii [message #378406 is a reply to message #377326] |
Thu, 02 April 2009 04:02   |
Speedy059
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From a server administrative side I just don't see how this will be cheap. The amount of territory presence with massive 10-50Gbps connections in DC's around the world, I just don't see how this could even be under $50/mo, without the games. People living on the East Coast of the USA don't want to play on West Coast servers. They might as well team up with Google Cloud to run this operation, otherwise people wont be happy about the trace routes to the gaming On Live servers with their latency...
Bad bad bad idea. There is no way this can be cheap and worth it. They probably think that WOW is able to pull it off with subscripts, so they can to. But WOW isn't as heavy on bandwidth streaming like some popular console multiplayer games like COD...
I'll give them 2 years to shut the doors. 1st year will be a guaranteed loss, and the CEO's will promise a good 2nd year but still will fail....
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| Re: 'OnLive' could threaten Xbox, PS3, and Wii [message #378408 is a reply to message #377326] |
Thu, 02 April 2009 04:07 |
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Actually after looking at the Demo it looks like you can rent a game for 5 days, or purchase it in full (digital copy).
I also forgot to think about another method of streaming multiplayer games, will they be hosting these large games or will they route game hosting for the players to host on their own connection like most multiplayer games? If so, I guess On Live might be successful....did not think about this scenario, as it probably seems the most realistic. Interested in seeing how the multiplayer games will work. I hope they don't try to host them...
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| Re: 'OnLive' could threaten Xbox, PS3, and Wii [message #378410 is a reply to message #378408] |
Thu, 02 April 2009 05:06 |
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| Speedy059 wrote on Thu, 02 April 2009 13:07 |
Actually after looking at the Demo it looks like you can rent a game for 5 days, or purchase it in full (digital copy).
I also forgot to think about another method of streaming multiplayer games, will they be hosting these large games or will they route game hosting for the players to host on their own connection like most multiplayer games? If so, I guess On Live might be successful....did not think about this scenario, as it probably seems the most realistic. Interested in seeing how the multiplayer games will work. I hope they don't try to host them...
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Ideally they would host it, because that would mean the traffic stays on their own network. That way it *might* be possible, as you take away a lot of the lag you would otherwise get.
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| Re: 'OnLive' could threaten Xbox, PS3, and Wii [message #378531 is a reply to message #378410] |
Thu, 02 April 2009 21:06 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Thu, 02 April 2009 07:06 |
| Speedy059 wrote on Thu, 02 April 2009 13:07 |
Actually after looking at the Demo it looks like you can rent a game for 5 days, or purchase it in full (digital copy).
I also forgot to think about another method of streaming multiplayer games, will they be hosting these large games or will they route game hosting for the players to host on their own connection like most multiplayer games? If so, I guess On Live might be successful....did not think about this scenario, as it probably seems the most realistic. Interested in seeing how the multiplayer games will work. I hope they don't try to host them...
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Ideally they would host it, because that would mean the traffic stays on their own network. That way it *might* be possible, as you take away a lot of the lag you would otherwise get.
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Then you are looking at some very expensive subscription costs if they are going to setup servers all over the world to host these games. I was afraid of that, if they do do this then they wont last long. Take COD5, with 100's of thousands of players online at any given time, it will take so much bandwidth and powerful servers all over the world to satisfy the gamers. I just don't see how they can make this affordable if they will host the game. I just don't think it's a wise business model, even though gamers would love it if they had powerful servers setup everywhere. I just don't think gamers will pay the premium monthly subscription to have them host everything.
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| Re: 'OnLive' could threaten Xbox, PS3, and Wii [message #379075 is a reply to message #377421] |
Mon, 06 April 2009 20:07 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 25 March 2009 17:33 |
That's another thing that I forgot to mention above. Subscriptions.
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Are you a serious? A subscription method that gave you access to all games on the network would make consoles obsolete in a month. Even if it was some insane figure like $50/month you'd only have to play one new game per month and you'd still be saving money... MMOs cost about $180/year for just one game, and for the quality of service and gaming you get it is well worth the price.
Renting or just buying games like you would on steam is not as appealing though.
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| Re: 'OnLive' could threaten Xbox, PS3, and Wii [message #379165 is a reply to message #377343] |
Tue, 07 April 2009 13:58 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 24 March 2009 21:05 |
It's an alternative. Besides, the popularity of Steam, and Netflix show that a substantial amount of people don't care if they don't have the actual product in their hands.
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But you do have the actuall product, yes not the disk but you get the game and with that you can make copys and backups.
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| Re: 'OnLive' could threaten Xbox, PS3, and Wii [message #379168 is a reply to message #379165] |
Tue, 07 April 2009 14:39 |
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| MasterEvolution wrote on Tue, 07 April 2009 15:58 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 24 March 2009 21:05 |
It's an alternative. Besides, the popularity of Steam, and Netflix show that a substantial amount of people don't care if they don't have the actual product in their hands.
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But you do have the actuall product, yes not the disk but you get the game and with that you can make copys and backups.
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Well, the problem is with digital distribution, you don't physically own the product, and don't have much control over it. For example, if the servers are down, you can't play the game whereas with a physical copy, you may still be able to.
However, I'm not one to worry about this much, but it's still food for thought.
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| Re: 'OnLive' could threaten Xbox, PS3, and Wii [message #403702 is a reply to message #377326] |
Wed, 23 September 2009 18:50 |
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What's wrong with new consoles? Everything has to come to an end at some point. But for everything that ends, something new and better starts up.
You can't hang onto the 8bit age for ever. It came, lasted a good decade or so, and went.
Grab a new console and you're back in the swing of things. It's definitely worth the investment. I mean, you don't have to constantly get the latest thing as soon as it comes out, but that doesn't mean that there aren't times where you should update.
If you are that conscious about letting go of the past consoles and partaking in the new ones, then I think the Nintendo Wii would be the best new console for you. Why? Because of it's virtual console, it allows you to purchase (cheap) oldschool games from various other consoles like the N64, Sega Genesis, SNES, ect. Then there is the backwards compatibility to the Nintendo Gamecube built into the system. And not to mention the fact that the Wii has it's own unique library of games as well.
It's also the cheapest console on the market and is great for parties.(Even if no one at the party likes or plays games. The Wii has a way of getting everyone involved.)
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Wed, 23 September 2009 19:08 |
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If I were to get a new console, I'd pretty much need to buy a new HD TV to go with it; playing a PS3 or Xbox on my TV from 1993 complete with a mono speaker doesn't really strike me as an awesome experience.
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| Re: 'OnLive' could threaten Xbox, PS3, and Wii [message #403714 is a reply to message #403710] |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 23 September 2009 22:13 |
Why not? It will work just fine.
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But it'll look like ass, and the TV is small. That ruins the experience. Plus, the marginal benefit of owning a console and new TV is lower than what I'd be willing to pay.
With something like OnLive, I can game using my nice computer monitor in tandem with my modest netbook. Plus, a wide selection of games for a monthly fee is just icing on the cake.
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| Re: 'OnLive' could threaten Xbox, PS3, and Wii [message #403723 is a reply to message #377604] |
Thu, 24 September 2009 04:14 |
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This sounds to good to be true but it really sounds appealing for computer owners, not having to upgrade your system every few years to play a game would be a nice change especially considering I have a slow computer.
But It also notes this is going to be several years in the future which as another person posted is a long time in terms of what can change so while they maybe working on this something new and better could already be in the works by one of the companies they are competing against. But if this works I think it could potentially revolutionize gaming, of course I'm putting a lot of faith that this actually works as they say but only time will tell.
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