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So, I went to the team and said "Hey guys, please give me something I can send out for an update" and instead they gave me their tentative date to start a private beta test. SVN commit #2210 of code has just been processed, and the todo list is shrinking rapidly. Most recently, we have been fixing and updating the WOL code since none of the links work and registration via XWIS isn't exactly user-friendly to new players.

Just a reminder, TT's patch is a comprehensive "Fix a lot of stuff" type of project. It's hard to summarize what we're doing into one category. Our goal is to make Renegade into what Westwood Studios would have done if they had unlimited resources, time, and money.

As for the ladder, Spoony and I are tweaking a new idea that I had and hopefully we'll have something to show you on that soon.


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Re: Progress report [message #402903 is a reply to message #402898] Tue, 15 September 2009 11:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Did I miss the date?

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And that date is?

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yeah im sure giving out the date cant hurt right?
Re: Progress report [message #402909 is a reply to message #402906] Tue, 15 September 2009 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Woohoo an update! (Well ok ill get serious now and not sarcastic)

Tbh if Westwood had enough time Renegade would be a DNF project. Dont get me wrong TT is doing a great job but Im feeling it is going to end up like a DNF. I really like what you guys are doing but please be more specific in terms of giving a date or at least you guys have to be doing more then those 4 typed sentences about wol.

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But indeed, tell the date pls Razz


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It's private beta testing anyway, so what's the point of knowing the date? Neutral

Re: Progress report [message #402929 is a reply to message #402909] Tue, 15 September 2009 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Reaver11 wrote on Tue, 15 September 2009 14:55

Tbh if Westwood had enough time Renegade would be a DNF project. Dont get me wrong TT is doing a great job but Im feeling it is going to end up like a DNF. I really like what you guys are doing but please be more specific in terms of giving a date or at least you guys have to be doing more then those 4 typed sentences about wol.

Man, you kids are impatient. It's only been about year since they announced it. Their team consists of a dozen or so members, not hundreds, so it's not gonna happen overnight.

Tons and tons of work are going into this. Just wait.


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cmatt42 wrote on Wed, 16 September 2009 01:25

Reaver11 wrote on Tue, 15 September 2009 14:55

Tbh if Westwood had enough time Renegade would be a DNF project. Dont get me wrong TT is doing a great job but Im feeling it is going to end up like a DNF. I really like what you guys are doing but please be more specific in terms of giving a date or at least you guys have to be doing more then those 4 typed sentences about wol.

Just wait.


Yeah, just wait until ren is finished dying.


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Re: Progress report [message #402953 is a reply to message #402946] Tue, 15 September 2009 23:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What's going on is that currently Sir_Kane is working on the resource manager, StealthEye is making sure that all BIATCH anti-cheat measures are implemented in TT, Ghostshaw is (I think) working on/designing the client side anti-cheat measures, Jonwill is working on removing all dirty ASM hacks and reverse engineering all parts he needs to do that, fixing bugs in the progress and Saberhawk is more like Shaderhawk and working on shiny stuff.

From what I know about progress:
Sir_Kane: pretty advanced in his resource manager
StealthEye: near finished, but looking at anti-ROF measures
Jonwill: I think he removed the last dirty ASM hack yesterday
GhostShaw: I think the design is done for a while, but there are discussions on how it exactly should be implemented
Saberhawk: Unsure, but the shinys won't delay TT in any way so that shouldn't matter too much.


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I personally think it's good Crimson at least gave us all a warning that something's going on and that EWD went more into detail Very Happy.

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Awesome.

If you need further testers, I don't mind volunteering.


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what is a ASM hack?
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I can't give you a date yet. But I felt it was important for you to know that we have one. We're not comfortable enough about reaching it to tell you what it is and set you up for disappointment. I have been bugging the team for something I can definitively tell you, but nothing has been forthcoming. Most of it is "they wouldn't understand what this means".

I appreciate your patience with us. The guys are working VERY hard on this for the community and I don't want you to lose faith.


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EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 16 September 2009 08:51

What's going on is that currently Sir_Kane is working on the resource manager, StealthEye is making sure that all BIATCH anti-cheat measures are implemented in TT, Ghostshaw is (I think) working on/designing the client side anti-cheat measures, Jonwill is working on removing all dirty ASM hacks and reverse engineering all parts he needs to do that, fixing bugs in the progress and Saberhawk is more like Shaderhawk and working on shiny stuff.

From what I know about progress:
Sir_Kane: pretty advanced in his resource manager
StealthEye: near finished, but looking at anti-ROF measures
Jonwill: I think he removed the last dirty ASM hack yesterday
GhostShaw: I think the design is done for a while, but there are discussions on how it exactly should be implemented
Saberhawk: Unsure, but the shinys won't delay TT in any way so that shouldn't matter too much.


In addition to this, I just heard that there's a milestone planned on Friday.
The milestone will mean that all stuf that has been reverse engineered/fixed/changed should be stable. It also means that renegade should no longer have problems with UAC. When this is done Saberhawk will try to have important shaber bits working/fixed by monday.

After this most resources will probably be spend on anti cheat, the resource manager and downloader and more changes to shaders. The goal of the shader changes is making sure that none have the problems that he/she might have had with scripts 3.4.4.


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Crimson wrote on Wed, 16 September 2009 05:41

Most of it is "they wouldn't understand what this means".

There's some that would Listen Good to hear progress is being made, though.


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Hitman wrote on Wed, 16 September 2009 11:41

what is a ASM hack?


Computer code can be written in several languages. All of the high level languages, like this:
Var
 I, J : integer;

Begin
  I := 2;
  J := 3;
  Writeln(IntToStr(I * J));
End.


This is fairly easy to understand (It displays I * J, which is 2 * 3 = 6)

A PC can't directly understand that, so it must be translated into machine code, which would look more like this:
MOV EAX  2
MOV ECX  3
MUL ECX // With EAX)


As you can see, ASM, which is the second example, is nastier to read/write, and less compatable, by using proper high level code, the program is nicer to write, which results in a better final product. ASM hacks are also annoyingly hard to debug.


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¤BLûεl4βêL¤ wrote on Tue, 15 September 2009 22:44

Yeah, just wait until ren is finished dying.

I've been waiting for this since 2005 or so. Sarcasm


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so most likely we'll have a TT full release around the first few months of 2010?

ps: bluel4bel is just a bitter man, doing everything for renegade then when he gets L4D it seems the sooner ren dies, the better

teenage attitude ftw

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Uhh, I was being sarcastic right there, but yeah good call retard

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by Whiskey @ clanwars.cc
Legend has it, that long long ago before the tiberum wars, Havoc and Sakura conceived a love child in the backseat of a GDI Hum-vee. 9 months later, IsItInYou popped out and headshot them both, then nuked their refinery.
how did the baby get a gun?! rgGh probably
so the baby spectated both his parents and drove home from the C&C_Hospital.mix in the humvee parked outside?!
3 wisemen came bearing gifts: credits, tiberium, and murr, whatever the FUCK that is. IsItInYou was nailed to the obelisk, but respawned 3 days later and performed miracles.
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Sounds good, looking forward to the release.

Speaking of which, I can understand why you cant give us an exact date, but can you give us an approximate timetable?


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¤BLûεl4βêL¤ wrote on Wed, 16 September 2009 13:00

Uhh, I was being sarcastic right there, but yeah good call retard

its time u drop the sarcasm, its been going on for weeks now!!1
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Legend has it, that long long ago before the tiberum wars, Havoc and Sakura conceived a love child in the backseat of a GDI Hum-vee. 9 months later, IsItInYou popped out and headshot them both, then nuked their refinery.
how did the baby get a gun?! rgGh probably
so the baby spectated both his parents and drove home from the C&C_Hospital.mix in the humvee parked outside?!
3 wisemen came bearing gifts: credits, tiberium, and murr, whatever the FUCK that is. IsItInYou was nailed to the obelisk, but respawned 3 days later and performed miracles.
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Crimsons information combined with EWD's list gives a good picture of stuff TT has done. I thank you guys for these kind of posts you should do it more often. I'm sorry if my post offended you guys it wasnt intended for that.
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