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| raven wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 11:17 |
This is ridiculous... you all need to get over yourselves. Jelly has sanctioned the use of a00000002 to Exodus, end of story. No one else can dictate who uses it other than him.
You all split, go your separate ways and stop bringing shit up here. What's done is done and you need to move on.
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That's right, he has sanctioned it. I think it's a big disservice to other communities who have contributed a lot to the game over the years and those who are developing new and cool stuff for the game, but maybe I'm the only one who thinks so. It reminds me why people get so upset about a00 in the first place, when the one guy who owns them all can decide he doesn't give a shit about Renegade anymore and just take the easy road and give a nick to the first guy who asks and already happens to have the password.
At least now that two months later I finally have confirmation that Jelly said it was OK for them to keep the nickname they stole I can move on from that. The money I had earmarked for the last two months of hosting the second server was donated to the RGCT anyway.
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| Re: off topic [message #398279 is a reply to message #398273] |
Mon, 17 August 2009 11:32 |
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| Crimson wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 20:17 |
| Prulez wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 11:11 |
| Cunin wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 19:40 |
Also, if you meant the mIRC bot, then that bot was made also by some of the people who left, and it's also still hosted on Prulez' server if I'm not wrong, so those were someone else's ideas..
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To reply to this: I am developing ExaBot, NSiBot was running on my server, but I have not copied any of the scripts. If you want Andrew to take a look at my scripts to verify this, I'll be happy to give him my code.
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I'm referring to copying unique features that we thought up. But don't worry, you're not the first to copy NS and you won't be the last. Copying other people's ideas is a running theme in this community.
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You mean the TeamSpeak Regulator? There were multiple people requesting this and I coded this myself, I was not aware that NS also had this, then still, it's not Copyrighted, is it?
Feel free to copy our Lag Forecaster on our forums, oh wait, you already did 
| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 19:47 |
Every so often, I get this positive feeling that humanity can somehow, possibly attain pure awesomeness, and enlightenment, and that there is light at the end of the road for us all. However, I only need to go to the latest HUD thread at RenForums to remind me of how dumb I was for thinking such stupid things.
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| Re: Time [message #398280 is a reply to message #398177] |
Mon, 17 August 2009 11:37 |
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| luv2pb wrote on Sun, 16 August 2009 21:59 |
ps mah codez r gud
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luv2pb is a very good coder.
| rrutk wrote on Wed, 12 August 2009 04:36 |
If u rly think this, u are naive.
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rrutk is right, even if the effect is little this "drama" has effected TT
| a000clown wrote on Wed, 12 August 2009 18:42 |
I think if there were regular updates this wouldn't be the case.
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It would be better to have regular updates even if it would be harder to work around as it would stop some people from leaving renegade
| Crimson wrote on Sun, 16 August 2009 21:10 |
A n00bstories "split" is a really bad term to use. In truth, a very small percentage of the players stole my server nickname for my marathon server and put their own anti-NS server up.
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it seems that jelly owned this nickname?And there is not much anti-NS in "That Community Which Must Not Be Named".Your n00bstories marathon server hardly even had any players in it.
| Crimson wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 10:13 |
That's a fine attitude. However, given the actions of the faildus staff, I'm not going to just take your word for it. Not one single admin of Jelly has told me that they approve of your theft. Once again, as far as I'm concerned, it's still stolen.
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That's nice, thinking he is a liar because he's part of another community and...| raven wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 19:17 |
This is ridiculous... you all need to get over yourselves. Jelly has sanctioned the use of a00000002 to Exodus, end of story. No one else can dictate who uses it other than him.
You all split, go your separate ways and stop bringing shit up here. What's done is done and you need to move on.
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"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"
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and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...
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A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.
Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.
Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).
Is it just me, or does that make more sense?
The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".
My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).
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ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.
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| Re: off topic [message #398283 is a reply to message #398275] |
Mon, 17 August 2009 11:47 |
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| Crimson wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 13:21 |
| Cunin wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 11:11 |
| Crimson wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 12:52 |
Cunin you're so wrong it makes me want to cry. This shit needs to stay in two months ago where it belongs. We've moved on, obviously you haven't.
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yeah whatever, if you can at least point out where I'm wrong...
And anyway, YOU started this shit again with your lies:
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A n00bstories "split" is a really bad term to use. In truth, a very small percentage of the players stole my server nickname for my marathon server and put their own anti-NS server up (LOL), Jelly refuses to even respond to me to tell me that he let them have it (real classy).
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you'd like to live in a perfect world, where you can make up your stories and have no one arguing over them, I know that.
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Point out where you're wrong? No, I'm not going to. You just want to give this discussion more legs. I've already pointed out where you're wrong and I'm sure you guys still have screen shots of the private forum where I spoke to you about it. I don't even remember most of it anyway because I, unlike you, have moved on to bigger and better things and don't waste my time wallowing in hate about things that happened months ago.
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Well I thought that was a reply to this:
| Cunin wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 12:40 |
thanks for clearing that up jellybe4n.
| Crimson wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 18:26 |
Please. When a server is created that duplicates our settings to the letter and all efforts are to copy all the features that we have on our custom bots, it's an anti-NS server. You spam your users with your fictional accounts of why you decided to leave and thread after thread is created for "why u choosed faildus over NS". I don't know why you deny this. A few months later, you're trying to go your own direction because you finally realized that you can't build a community based on hate.
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can't see what we copied tbh. We don't run pointsfix, our gametime is different, initial money is different, different rotation...but if you mean that we still have harvesters in our servers then yeah, we copied your settings.
And I can't see which bot we copied either, and even if we did, I never known your bot was under copyright...
Also, if you meant the mIRC bot, then that bot was made also by some of the people who left, and it's also still hosted on Prulez' server if I'm not wrong, so those were someone else's ideas..
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as you posted that right after I posted this...and now you go back to what happened 2 months ago and blame me for it? wat?
And about copying stuff...wow c'mon grow up. You're going to say people are copying your server's features over any thing you see that can resemble something that's running on your server? Little bit paranoid uh? To really look different in your eyes we'll have to run a different game I guess, because you'll always going to find something similar...next thing would be we use same brenbot version..
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| Re: Time [message #398284 is a reply to message #398280] |
Mon, 17 August 2009 11:49 |
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| Pyr0man1c wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 11:37 |
it seems that jelly owned this nickname?And there is not much anti-NS in "That Community Which Must Not Be Named".Your n00bstories marathon server hardly even had any players in it.
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Well, duh... that's because we had just started it up. We do "marathon weekends" on the main server and there were many requests to do marathon more often, so we put a second server up on the nickname that we had used for a sniper server, a fan maps server, and sometimes no server... the marathon server was the most success we'd had since back in the day when we used to host 8 servers that were mostly full all day and it had just started to take off when it was so rudely stolen.
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| Re: off topic [message #398285 is a reply to message #398283] |
Mon, 17 August 2009 11:55 |
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| Cunin wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 11:47 |
And about copying stuff...wow c'mon grow up. You're going to say people are copying your server's features over any thing you see that can resemble something that's running on your server? Little bit paranoid uh? To really look different in your eyes we'll have to run a different game I guess, because you'll always going to find something similar...next thing would be we use same brenbot version..
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Excuse me... nice word twisting and exaggerating. Too bad for you I'm not that dumb. I said that the server was started with almost the same settings. You guys have changed a few things over the last two months. You only need to look at your own forums to see your users complaining about the lack of features, specific features that only NS has. It's good that you guys are trying to be your own people now but your actions from the past day have shown that you still haven't grown up.
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| Re: RENEGADE DYING [message #398309 is a reply to message #397758] |
Mon, 17 August 2009 14:18 |
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| a000clown wrote on Wed, 12 August 2009 18:42 |
A significant amount of people I have talked with don't believe TT will ever be completed, which is a problem because they have no hope for C&C:Renegade's future and thus stop playing it.
I think if there were regular updates this wouldn't be the case.
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I can't express how brilliant an idea having regular updates is.
Despite the fact that it will be hard to make EA make it official and that it will be hard to release in different parts doing this would keep people interested in renegade and stop it from dying out
^^This is on topic so i think your moving it over to another forum was rather silly as this is an idea to consider for TT however I know you won't for several reasons.
off topic-if this was to be done then there wouldn't actually be any need to fight as people with scripts 3.4.4 show servers with the highest ranking ingame player count rather than highest ranking name so the fact that "your" host nick was stolen would hardly matter.Also Crimson you should set up a marathon server as really even if the host nick isn't high ranking people will recognize and play in it.All this arguing about stealing the nick is silly, it is equivelant to arguing over who gets to take a bag of lollypops(or burgers)
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and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...
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A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.
Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.
Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).
Is it just me, or does that make more sense?
The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".
My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).
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ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.
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| Re: off topic [message #398312 is a reply to message #397679] |
Mon, 17 August 2009 14:21 |
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God, this is the most horrible thread on Earth.
And there are posts on the first page that directly pertain to TT and do not involve NS and Exodus, and they should be put back in their original thread.
Renegade:
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The only game where everyone competes to be an e-janitor.
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| Re: off topic [message #398319 is a reply to message #397679] |
Mon, 17 August 2009 14:38 |
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Please just close this threads instead of deleting content from it.
Its doing nothing good for the Renegade community...
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| Re: off topic [message #398326 is a reply to message #397679] |
Mon, 17 August 2009 15:13 |
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Well, if I remove those posts and re-merge them, then it makes the original thread all unread for people's cookies... if you want them over there just cut-n-paste... Once again, NO CONTENT WAS DELETED FROM THIS THREAD!
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| Re: off topic [message #398327 is a reply to message #398285] |
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| Crimson wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 13:55 |
It's good that you guys are trying to be your own people now but your actions from the past day have shown that you still haven't grown up.
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from reading this thread through end to end, i'd say that they aren't the only ones...
my own opinion.
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Then again, banning anyone for anything automatically makes you a biased prick who shouldn't be a moderator.
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lol
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Mon, 17 August 2009 15:32 |
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I'm glad you agree your fellow staff members haven't grown up.
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thats not what i meant, i honestly don't know them that well, but from the last few posts, i can honestly see that you aren't one that acts your age crimson.
| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Wed, 26 August 2009 |
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lol
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| Re: off topic [message #398367 is a reply to message #398274] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 03:10 |
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| raven wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 13:17 |
You all split, go your separate ways and stop bringing shit up here. What's done is done and you need to move on.
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Impossible ATM, because from my point of view failstories is going on trying to sabotage the new community wherever the are able too.
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| Re: off topic [message #398370 is a reply to message #397679] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 03:58 |
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TBH, what do you expect then? You're a group of people that split from NS because you disagreed with how they acted, and while doing this you probably took a certain number of their regular members with them. What do you expect them to do? Say: "hey guys, good luck, tell us when you need some help!" Moreover what you did with the hostname may have been done technically correctly (as in: you went to Jelly and got it), but it seems to me all but politically correct.
Then afterwards you come on this forum, which is a place for the community but owned and financed by Crimson to spit venom about NS by posting information from private subforums. It seems your idea was to either make NS look bad or try to convince more of their members to join your community.
And then you seem to be surprised that NS isn't happy about you and "will try to sabotage you where possible"? It seems like a very normal reaction to me and maybe something you should have thought of a few months ago instead of complaining about it now. All actions have consequences that you need to foresee. Noone is ever possible to foresee all consequences, but these ones were kind of evident, no?
That being said, I don't want to take any position on the actual "who was right / wrong" discussion, because I don't care. But when I read things as stupid as the post before, then I feel I need to react.
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| Re: off topic [message #398373 is a reply to message #398370] |
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As far as I know, but correct me if I'm wrong because I've never bothered to know much about ren's history, she wanted to run this forum for the community, she wasn't asked to do so. What bothered us (and I know for sure it's the same feeling for lots of server owners) is that she's using this forum, which is meant to be run for all communities, for her own community's interests. I can agree on what you said, Goztow, but only if what's happening here happened on NS's forums (which happened).
We couldn't promote our community/server here because she used that word filter to change exodus to faildus/exofail, and that worked for URLs too, so we couldn't even link our forums.
Now I now that this is owned by her, but this should be a place for everyone involved in Renegade, not for only the ones that she like.
She also never miss a chance to to spread lies (or her own truth) to everyone here, even when it wasn't needed. The shit started on this thread was because she had to make fun of us once again, without a real need.
If you know our reasons why we left NS, you should also understand how WE feel when this happens. That happened for a mix of reasons, one of which was her insulting and arrogant behavior against us, and seeing that happening again for no reason here, made me post all this stuff.
So yeah I can understand how she might feel, but you should also understand how WE feel on this matter too. It's not a one way street, and if this forum was ran as she said it is, then we wouldn't have our name banned from here or our posts/threads deleted.
How should we feel?
We're not surprised that this shit happens, we're just sick of being constantly insulted by her, even after we left her community also because of that.
So yeah I won't expect you to take a position, but also think about how we feel when she throws shit on us, not only how she might feel.
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| Re: off topic [message #398374 is a reply to message #398285] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 05:51 |
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| Crimson wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 13:55 |
| Cunin wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 11:47 |
And about copying stuff...wow c'mon grow up. You're going to say people are copying your server's features over any thing you see that can resemble something that's running on your server? Little bit paranoid uh? To really look different in your eyes we'll have to run a different game I guess, because you'll always going to find something similar...next thing would be we use same brenbot version..
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Excuse me... nice word twisting and exaggerating. Too bad for you I'm not that dumb. I said that the server was started with almost the same settings. You guys have changed a few things over the last two months. You only need to look at your own forums to see your users complaining about the lack of features, specific features that only NS has. It's good that you guys are trying to be your own people now but your actions from the past day have shown that you still haven't grown up.
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i'm glad that you visit our forums, but the lack of features is uhm...normal for a new server...so you're just stating the obvious there...
How do you expect us to run all the stuff you made in years from day 1? maybe by stealing it, of course, but we didn't steal anything so we had to build everything from the ground up, and we did it in a month, so yeah I'm pretty proud of what everyone did in our community, and shows how wrong you were when you never trusted any of us to work on stuff for your server.
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| Re: off topic [message #398376 is a reply to message #398373] |
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| Cunin wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 07:45 |
What bothered us (and I know for sure it's the same feeling for lots of server owners) is that she's using this forum, which is meant to be run for all communities, for her own community's interests.
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exactly!
not only server owners have this feeling!
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| Re: off topic [message #398380 is a reply to message #397679] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 06:31 |
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Keep on lying, guys. There are LOTS of people I don't like that are allowed to post here and advertise their shitty servers so long as they follow the forum rules. I'm not going to name them, but most of them know who they are.
YOU GUYS advertised yourselves by posting links to private forum posts. If ANY member of this forum posted confidential, protected information, it would and has been deleted. This includes warez, source code to cheats, personal information like phone numbers and addresses of people who do not agree to have them posted. When any other community or person was dealing with a huge security breach that leaked onto here (such as Reborn private betas leaked), they are REMOVED and the violators are banned. But you didn't stop there, did you? No, you made more and more accounts to try and post but I had turned on new account approvals so they all sat in the approval queue and you were never able to use them to continue to break forum rules.
To further illustrate my point, when arnyswart posted about your boys vs. girls tourney (which is ironically the same tournament that started this mess), the post was allowed to remain on the forum (right here at http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=34012&start=0&rid=8 where you left it) because it followed the forum rules. Your URL is in the link in that thread and it was not censored or filtered as you claimed it was.
Keep making yourselves look like asses, and people will realize why we do not miss you at n00bstories and are doing GREAT without you!
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| Re: off topic [message #398381 is a reply to message #397679] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 06:33 |
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I have been assured that the same treatment would be applied to any community that posts private information from other peoples forums. I hope that this never happens to me, but if it does I believe Crimson when she says it would be dealt with just as promptly and ferociously; You have to give someone like Crimson the benefit of the doubt, after all of her personal time and money pumped into renegade. Not to mention how much she has helped others (server rentals anyone?; enormous amount of trust went into that).
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Goztow
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| Cunin wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 14:45 |
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I very much do my best to understand both point of views, and I was one of the first people to ask Crimson for more information on this very touchy subject of the status of renforums in the Renegade community. One could even say I questioned what happened in a private subforum, as I always like to get to know both sides of the story.
I agree that at certain moments, this wasn't handled very well by both sides. IMO it would have been healthier to have the discussion once and for all in a strictly moderated topic (hey, isn't that what's happening just now in here?).
At the end of the day, there have been some serious communication mistakes from both sides, which made this whole thing look much worse than it was with regards to renforums.com, from the view of an outsider. I dare to state that my intervention didn't go unnoticed, this topic being the main proof of this.
Communicating efficiently and correctly is a very hard thing to do, especially if you're not used to (having to) do it. I suggest now that both sides gave their point of view, that you take some time to look back and check out what further discussion can gain for you. If you both decide that the other won't change their mind and that there's no "solution" to this "problem", then I'm convinced it would be better to stop replying with the same arguments.
If Exodus is to have their place in the community, then these forums should become open towards them sooner or later, but probably after the shit fest ended. If I may give you one hint though, to make this happen faster: change your community's name.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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