| Radeon 4670 [message #397034] |
Tue, 04 August 2009 16:17  |
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Anyone have this card? What fps do you get with it in Ren?
What fps do you suppose I would get with it?
Amd athlon x2 Dual core
1 GB Of ram
2 ghz
I have a nvidia 6150le right now and get 120 some fps in 800x600, but low in higher resolutions.
What fps do you suppose I would get with it?
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| Re: Radeon 4670 [message #397036 is a reply to message #397034] |
Tue, 04 August 2009 16:45  |
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Over 9000.
Renegade:
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The only game where everyone competes to be an e-janitor.
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| Re: Radeon 4670 [message #397065 is a reply to message #397034] |
Wed, 05 August 2009 01:12 |
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The 4670 is a awesome card for it's price, I have two in CrossfireX and they allow me to use MAX/HIGH settings in every game out there, medium for Crysis through at 1600x1200 at 75Hz powering TWO monitors.
But in Renegade I get about 30/50 FPS which can go lower when the crap hits the fan, but with all MAX/HIGH settings which includes max AA/AF and Shaders/Bloom.
Thing is.. I know it could do better but Renegade is a CPU sided game, since you have a dual core CPU and I don't, you should get a higher FPS then me.
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| Re: Radeon 4670 [message #397157 is a reply to message #397065] |
Thu, 06 August 2009 00:11 |
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| IronWarrior wrote on Wed, 05 August 2009 04:12 |
Thing is.. I know it could do better but Renegade is a CPU sided game, since you have a dual core CPU and I don't, you should get a higher FPS then me.
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Renegade wasn't made for and doesn't gain any advantage from more than one CPU or more than one core, so that means nothing. You are right that Renegade demands much more CPU power, especially in larger servers, though. The key is more actual CPU speed (per a single core).
As for GPUs, just about anything that isn't really old can run this game fine. If you want shaders, high resolutions, and AA/AF and all that, you still don't need top of the line, but you need a decent GPU. Even my old GeForce 6800 ran it maximum at 1600x1200 with 16AF and 4xAA. The shaders did hit it kind of hard though (at the high resolution with AA and AF), so I had those disabled, but it wasn't unplayable. It was the CPU (Pentium 4 2.8GHz with Hyper-threading) that held it back.
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| Re: Radeon 4670 [message #397168 is a reply to message #397157] |
Thu, 06 August 2009 06:57 |
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| Chuck Norris wrote on Thu, 06 August 2009 02:11 |
| IronWarrior wrote on Wed, 05 August 2009 04:12 |
Thing is.. I know it could do better but Renegade is a CPU sided game, since you have a dual core CPU and I don't, you should get a higher FPS then me.
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Renegade wasn't made for and doesn't gain any advantage from more than one CPU or more than one core, so that means nothing. You are right that Renegade demands much more CPU power, especially in larger servers, though. The key is more actual CPU speed (per a single core).
As for GPUs, just about anything that isn't really old can run this game fine. If you want shaders, high resolutions, and AA/AF and all that, you still don't need top of the line, but you need a decent GPU. Even my old GeForce 6800 ran it maximum at 1600x1200 with 16AF and 4xAA. The shaders did hit it kind of hard though (at the high resolution with AA and AF), so I had those disabled, but it wasn't unplayable. It was the CPU (Pentium 4 2.8GHz with Hyper-threading) that held it back.
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The microarchitecture between a single core chip and a dual is different, so I would expect more FPS in the game even if the clock speeds are the same.
Through this was the point that am making, the CPU in my desktop bottlenecks my GPU's which sucks so much, I had the same problem in my old PC.
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| Re: Radeon 4670 [message #397179 is a reply to message #397157] |
Thu, 06 August 2009 08:41 |
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| Chuck Norris wrote on Thu, 06 August 2009 03:11 |
| IronWarrior wrote on Wed, 05 August 2009 04:12 |
Thing is.. I know it could do better but Renegade is a CPU sided game, since you have a dual core CPU and I don't, you should get a higher FPS then me.
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Renegade wasn't made for and doesn't gain any advantage from more than one CPU or more than one core, so that means nothing. You are right that Renegade demands much more CPU power, especially in larger servers, though. The key is more actual CPU speed (per a single core).
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Yes it does, but not much because of synchronization objects preventing multiple threads from executing the same code at the same time for safety reasons. This is greatly improved in scripts 4.0 by replacing a lot of that code with faster lock-free techniques or by simply giving each thread it's own copy of the memory.
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| Re: Radeon 4670 [message #397276 is a reply to message #397034] |
Fri, 07 August 2009 15:49 |
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That card I'm sure definitely needs more than 300W, and don't forget everything else in your computer needs power too.. You're going to kill your card.
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| Re: Radeon 4670 [message #397286 is a reply to message #397034] |
Fri, 07 August 2009 19:19 |
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You both wrong infact.
The 4670 is a great power saver, it's only needs 50-60w at full load, doesn't even have a power cable, so you can get away with a low power PSU, remember it's not always about how much wattage the PSU has but the voltage and how the rails are setup.
Through more power is always good.
Currently am using two HIS IceQ Turbo 4670s in CFX using a Antec EW 380w PSU.
This is one of the main reasons I brought these cards for my PC.
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| Re: Radeon 4670 [message #397342 is a reply to message #397179] |
Sat, 08 August 2009 13:58 |
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| IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 06 August 2009 09:57 |
The microarchitecture between a single core chip and a dual is different, so I would expect more FPS in the game even if the clock speeds are the same.
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While that is true, you didn't say anything about architecture. A Core 2 is faster than a Pentium D largely because of that reason, sure, but if all else was equal in the architecture, but one was dual core and another was single core (there exists a real life example of this in the Pentium 4 vs Pentium D, and Athlon 64 vs Athlon X2), then the speed will be the same if both went head to head in single threaded applications. My point was that Renegade doesn't gain (much, if anything) from having a dual core CPU.| Saberhawk wrote on Thu, 06 August 2009 11:41 |
Yes it does, but not much because of synchronization objects preventing multiple threads from executing the same code at the same time for safety reasons. This is greatly improved in scripts 4.0 by replacing a lot of that code with faster lock-free techniques or by simply giving each thread it's own copy of the memory.
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Well, you learn something new every day. Can you estimate a rough percentage increase it gets from having an extra CPU or CPU core to work with? I'd bet it's in the single digits? Maybe this explains why Renegade was a bit CPU hungry back in the old days on the Pentium IIIs and Thunderbird Athlons? It seems to have some rather "unique" coding, from what I hear.
In any case, the point I was getting at is that Renegade doesn't gain really just from having two cores. It's wants CPU speed, that is, the best combination of CPU frequency and CPU IPC possible, and the second core, if any, is just a bonus. GPU power is secondary.
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| Re: Radeon 4670 [message #397372 is a reply to message #397342] |
Sun, 09 August 2009 00:47 |
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| Chuck Norris wrote on Sat, 08 August 2009 16:58 |
Well, you learn something new every day. Can you estimate a rough percentage increase it gets from having an extra CPU or CPU core to work with? I'd bet it's in the single digits? Maybe this explains why Renegade was a bit CPU hungry back in the old days on the Pentium IIIs and Thunderbird Athlons? It seems to have some rather "unique" coding, from what I hear.
In any case, the point I was getting at is that Renegade doesn't gain really just from having two cores. It's wants CPU speed, that is, the best combination of CPU frequency and CPU IPC possible, and the second core, if any, is just a bonus. GPU power is secondary.
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Probably, as the only multithreading you'd notice in Renegade is the texture loader which doesn't deal with heavy textures anyways.
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