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I have been reading about ww2 for a while now in history class, but I have to say I have a question about how Germany got so damn far.
I mean I see these maps and Germany is a small country, but yet took over many country's there same size and took over a huge chunk of the soviet union, and Russia is fucking huge but yet they still got that far, I mean you would think the country would run out of soldiers after all that battling and if soviet union is like the size of like 10 Germany then how did they have so much trouble at first along with help from other country's? now I know they had a few country helping Germany but god damn even those are not all as big as USA ore Russia with french and great Britain combined, I would think Russia alone had enough soldiers to match up all those country's combined but if it was not for Hitler betraying Stalin then i think he would have won if Russia did not help us, but as i said above there still small country's helping a small Germany and yet it seems like they had more soldier and tanks and plans then any other country alive or something
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| Re: NAZI Germany In World War 2 Question [message #394468 is a reply to message #394462] |
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Well, if you learned this part, Stalin let Hitler build up an army in Soviet territory. Then they just bombarded Europe and killed everyone in their path, which is called "blitzkrieg" or "lightning war." Hitler may have been a mean son of a bitch, but he was a smart mofo.
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| Re: NAZI Germany In World War 2 Question [message #394491 is a reply to message #394462] |
Thu, 09 July 2009 03:36 |
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germany destroyed france in a few short weeks by going around the main french force in a few words.
Poland never had a army that could stand up germany especially as it was already under attack by ussr.
There are a lot of factors that led to germanys early success, it came very close to making britain surrender but due to a bad call by a leading general britain was able to scrape through the blitz.
Jamie is a guys name in Europe...
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| Re: NAZI Germany In World War 2 Question [message #394506 is a reply to message #394462] |
Thu, 09 July 2009 06:28 |
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Good facts guys, If Hitler took over a nation or what ever, does that mean that nations army became his? so lets say if he took over USA, the USA military would be at his disposal?
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| Re: NAZI Germany In World War 2 Question [message #394531 is a reply to message #394462] |
Thu, 09 July 2009 09:35 |
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"Blitzkrieg" is your answer, thats german for a extremly fast attack, that combined with huge preparations. And germany is not exactly small. We have a extremly dense population.
Another part was the prepared logistics. Hitler ordered to build huge highways to quickly move tanks and supplies from one side of germany to another.
That combined with some extremly highquality and innovative weapons was extremly deadly (A problem however later, because as my grandfather put it, our tanks developed that fast that you practically never have fitting spare parts, oh and most weaponry was tested in the field. It was nothing strange to get new developed things that didn't work at all because noone bothered with testing, as a example: pneumatic powered parts for tanks in russia.... no good idea in that cold, but extremly deadly if used in warm areas)
Germany had always has a extremly powerfull machine industry. Today we usually produce whole facilities (there is a saying, "yes our worthless junk is produced in china, but with german machines")
Althougt a big problem here is that we're dependent on supplies like ore and rawsteel from other countries. That was the whole reason for a "Blitzkrieg", seize ressources before you run out of ressources. The war with russia stopped that.
Germany was nearly unstoppable as long as we had enough supplies, but gladly we run out of it before it was to late.
Same goes for our soldiers. there is only a limited supply of those...
| Glock~ wrote on Thu, 09 July 2009 00:45 |
Well, if you learned this part, Stalin let Hitler build up an army in Soviet territory. Then they just bombarded Europe and killed everyone in their path, which is called "blitzkrieg" or "lightning war." Hitler may have been a mean son of a bitch, but he was a smart mofo.
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Entirely wrong. The only thing between Hitler and Stalin was a agreement to not attack each other (Hitler later broke it)and how to invade poland. Hitlers other decisions we're usually catastrophic. You could safely say germany loose the war because of his decisions. Without him there would be a good chanche that there would be a peace, after conquering most of europe, however attacking Stalin was suicide. But on a personal remark: Its tricky to say what would have happened. Its good this whole nightmare ended.
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| Re: NAZI Germany In World War 2 Question [message #394533 is a reply to message #394462] |
Thu, 09 July 2009 10:05 |
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after ww1, germany was poor and had no real army. most germans had no work and such. the winners of the ww1 keept germany down. they claimed like 3/4 from germanys income.
most of the germans had a problem with that, but the imperator of germany was weak. his efforts counted only for the aristocrats, the peoples in germany had a real hard time.
now, hitler changed this as he got the power. it was relative easy to get the peoples on his side, coz they was unsatisfied with the current situation.
hitler had no plan how to change the situation in germany. the only way he had was to build a huge military-industry, and the germans had work now. they made new weapons, tanks, aircrafts and ships.
the other countries around germany didnt upgrade theyr weapons and such. best example is poland. as hitler started the blitzkrieg against poland, the polish army was on the level of 1913. or the france country, they had still the aircrafts from ww1. it was like a modern army against an army with archers and stones.
hitler started a new warfare, mobility and fast units was his key to success.
the small countries around germany had no chance, either they fighted for germany, or they got executed.
yer, thats it...
greetz telly ^^
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| Re: NAZI Germany In World War 2 Question [message #394540 is a reply to message #394508] |
Thu, 09 July 2009 11:20 |
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| Killgeak wrote on Thu, 09 July 2009 15:37 |
| SSnipe wrote on Thu, 09 July 2009 08:28 |
Good facts guys, If Hitler took over a nation or what ever, does that mean that nations army became his? so lets say if he took over USA, the USA military would be at his disposal?
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In Holland we had a Faction called NSB they were dutch Nazis their followers were a little army they had special suits and weapons as for the ''Dutch Army'' they were forced to join the German army or to work for Germany else they would get executed
not too sure about the other countries
yet again thats what i remember from my own history class 
NSB:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationaal-Socialistische_Beweging
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Not entirely true. We also had volunteer recruiting for the Waffen SS here in The Netherlands, and a lot of Dutch people actually applied for it.
Resulted in Kampfgruppes and Freiwilligen Legions, like Niederlande, Nordland, Nederland, Westland, Germania and Wiking.
Wiking was actually the first Waffen SS division, and it mainly had Dutch people in it. Wiking itself dates back to 1940, and it already was mainly a Dutch Waffen SS division at that time. Wiking itself was actually a combined division; Dutch troops from Kampfgruppe Westland, Nordland and Germania, merged into a new division.
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| Re: NAZI Germany In World War 2 Question [message #394543 is a reply to message #394462] |
Thu, 09 July 2009 12:03 |
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well i lived in Russia until grade 9. then i came to Canada and continued my education here.
so i got the Russian version of WW2 then the North American version on top of that.
in my opinion germany was beat down and humiliated after ww1 and they were opressed and impoverished by the other nations. Germany at first was too weak to stand up for it so alot of poeple just remained in that position for decades.
then came Hitler, he promised to imporve everything and take Germany out of the slump, so people voted for him.
after a few years he stopped paying money to nations that Germany fucked up during ww1, and no one wanted to start another war over it so they let Hitler stop paying. After that he got even more emboldened by it and decided he will start building an army again.
Now this was not allowed by the Geneva accord or was it the treaty of Versailles i cant remember.
Yet again all the allied nations turned their back to this bold statement because doing anything about it was risking to go to war again, and France and Britain were reluctant to do that because they had not yet recovered from ww1.
now originally Stalin and Hitler had an agreement where Hitler was going to take over Europe and they were going to split Poland right down the middle, and Russia would claim Georgia, Ukraine and those countries close to it.
Now because of that agreement Stalin didnt think Hitler would open up on two fronts and betray him, so because of that Stalin had 40% of his army on the east coast ready to fight Japan.
Hitler emboldened by the success of his blitzgriek campaign in France decided that he was ready for a two front war and attacked Russia.
Stalin was caught off guard with that and his first priority became to protect oil assests because otherwise he had no chance to even survive let alone win the war.
that is why Stalin ordered to hold on to Stalingrad (now named Volgograd) at all costs.
also someone was right saying that Russian soldiers were not equiped properly. what hapenned was one would get the rifle with a single bullet the other would get the mag, so they had to work in teams of 2 and when one would die the other would get both ammo and gun.
you were never allowed to run back, not even turn and look back or you would be labelled a deserter and shot on the spot.
The real downfall of Hitler was that 1, he stopped to help Mussollini in Turkey i believe it was.
2. was that he didnt stop advancing deeper into Russia, and ended up advancing faster than his supply lines.
when the Russians were in retreat they burned everything they could on the way back, they burned countless cities when they retreated.
hell they burned half of Moscow because the Germans were on the outskirts of the city. During that time the city of Yaroslavol became a temporary acting capital of Russia. that is the city where i was born.
i could go on, but my lunch break is now over lol
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Fri, 10 July 2009 15:18 |
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| SSnipe wrote on Wed, 08 July 2009 21:56 |
I have been reading about ww2 for a while now in history class, but I have to say I have a question about how Germany got so damn far.
I mean I see these maps and Germany is a small country, but yet took over many country's there same size and took over a huge chunk of the soviet union, and Russia is fucking huge but yet they still got that far, I mean you would think the country would run out of soldiers after all that battling and if soviet union is like the size of like 10 Germany then how did they have so much trouble at first along with help from other country's? now I know they had a few country helping Germany but god damn even those are not all as big as USA ore Russia with french and great Britain combined, I would think Russia alone had enough soldiers to match up all those country's combined but if it was not for Hitler betraying Stalin then i think he would have won if Russia did not help us, but as i said above there still small country's helping a small Germany and yet it seems like they had more soldier and tanks and plans then any other country alive or something
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if you study the map i posted, u will see that with good diplomacy, Germany got Austria/Hungary as well as Italy to align with them as Spain and the Swiss remaind nuetral, France mostly tried to fight a defensive war.
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/resource/wwii.htm
u du da thinkin' and i'll do da drinkin'
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| Re: NAZI Germany In World War 2 Question [message #394662 is a reply to message #394660] |
Fri, 10 July 2009 16:24 |
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| renohol wrote on Fri, 10 July 2009 15:18 |
| SSnipe wrote on Wed, 08 July 2009 21:56 |
I have been reading about ww2 for a while now in history class, but I have to say I have a question about how Germany got so damn far.
I mean I see these maps and Germany is a small country, but yet took over many country's there same size and took over a huge chunk of the soviet union, and Russia is fucking huge but yet they still got that far, I mean you would think the country would run out of soldiers after all that battling and if soviet union is like the size of like 10 Germany then how did they have so much trouble at first along with help from other country's? now I know they had a few country helping Germany but god damn even those are not all as big as USA ore Russia with french and great Britain combined, I would think Russia alone had enough soldiers to match up all those country's combined but if it was not for Hitler betraying Stalin then i think he would have won if Russia did not help us, but as i said above there still small country's helping a small Germany and yet it seems like they had more soldier and tanks and plans then any other country alive or something
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if you study the map i posted, u will see that with good diplomacy, Germany got Austria/Hungary as well as Italy to align with them as Spain and the Swiss remaind nuetral, France mostly tried to fight a defensive war.
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/resource/wwii.htm
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I also found this
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_nm.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005137&MediaId= 3376
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| Re: NAZI Germany In World War 2 Question [message #395175 is a reply to message #394665] |
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| Sir Kane wrote on Fri, 10 July 2009 19:05 |
| mrãçķz wrote on Thu, 09 July 2009 12:36 |
You should know Germans had the best Engineers.
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guess what I play on TF2^^
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