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Sun, 07 June 2009 09:02

Pyr0man1c
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I'm just wondering what is in your avatar?I can't quite make it out.

"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"

AmunRa

and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...

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v00d00

A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.

Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.

Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).

Is it just me, or does that make more sense?

The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".

My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).

- v00d00

ELiT3FLyR

ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.

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		CarrierII's avatar By: Pyr0man1c on Sun, 07 June 2009 09:02
		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: CarrierII on Sun, 07 June 2009 09:19
		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: zeratul on Sun, 07 June 2009 17:31
		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: LiL KiLLa on Sun, 07 June 2009 09:21
		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: CarrierII on Sun, 07 June 2009 13:18
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		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: Dover on Sun, 07 June 2009 18:36
		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: CarrierII on Mon, 08 June 2009 01:48
		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: Dover on Mon, 08 June 2009 02:43
		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: CarrierII on Mon, 08 June 2009 03:50
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		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: Dover on Mon, 08 June 2009 05:53
		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: CarrierII on Thu, 02 July 2009 10:11
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		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: zeratul on Mon, 06 July 2009 15:57
		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: Dover on Sun, 28 June 2009 17:38
		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: CarrierII on Mon, 29 June 2009 10:37
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		Re: CarrierII's avatar By: Muad Dib15 on Sun, 28 June 2009 17:44
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