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Mon, 11 May 2009 07:54

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it's completely absurd and totally violates basic morality...

firstly how can anyone be guilty of a sin committed by Adam? even if the adam story is true (and it takes a pretty dumb fuck to think it is) how can anyone who wasn't even alive at the time bear responsibility for it? (the same goes to the two thousand years of Christian anti-semitism, thanks to one single line in one of the four gospels which claims that ALL jews are responsible for the crucifixion, not just those jews who happened to be there at the time and place and involved in the situation)

secondly, if god wanted to forgive our sins (legitimate ones or bullshit ones committed by someone else) why not just forgive them? why must someone else be tortured and killed as the price? if one decides to accept this "forgiveness", isn't one basically accepting some level of responsibility for the crucifixion?

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it was a display of love by God for us by sacrificing his only child etc

yeah, we hear that sort of thing a lot, like how god's genocide of nearly the entire planet by a flood was anything other than evil, like how abraham's attempted murder of his innocent son was a noble act, etc etc etc

finally, here's a question... what will be the price for god's forgiveness for all the crimes he's allegedly committed? we could go through the bible and rack up a quite staggering death toll. in one of these threads i made the suggestion that if jesus IS god (as we're told, for all the sense it makes...) then maybe the crucifixion was god's punishment for all the evil he did, albeit an extremely lenient one, relatively speaking. certainly not an eye for an eye.

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