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Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384559]

Wed, 06 May 2009 07:52

rrutk
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I've an idea of gameplay change. Would it be possible to realize?

From my point of view, winning through pointwhoring isnt a smart way to win a game, although I do it too. But it is boring and less skill is needed in pointgames then in marathon.

Furthermore are the players of the team less in points so often very quick demotivated, if they see, they have no chance to win by points anymore or ped/complete base destruction. Its annoying to be in this situation.

Why not about this:

Standard 1-Hour Games:

If no total base destruction/ped occours, the winner is the team with MORE BUILDINGS REMAINING.

If the numer of remaining buildings in GDI/Nod is the same (deadlock), THEN the score will make the decision.

This way the following would happen:

- Buildings get a revaluation
- Pointwhoring isnt so important anymore
- there will be higher motivation up to the last second for both teams to go and destroy buildings
- let buildings die because of the "damn pointwhoring" will be stoped
- more skill is needed ingame
- more teamplay is needed ingame

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Wed, 06 May 2009 08:11

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yes its possible on some ways, you can also do it with Reborn´s (guy) Point System

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384625 is a reply to message #384559]

Wed, 06 May 2009 11:25

RTsa
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rrutk wrote on Wed, 06 May 2009 17:52

Standard 1-Hour Games:

If no total base destruction/ped occours, the winner is the team with MORE BUILDINGS REMAINING.

If the numer of remaining buildings in GDI/Nod is the same (deadlock), THEN the score will make the decision.

This way the following would happen:

- Buildings get a revaluation
- Pointwhoring isnt so important anymore
- there will be higher motivation up to the last second for both teams to go and destroy buildings
- let buildings die because of the "damn pointwhoring" will be stoped
- more skill is needed ingame
- more teamplay is needed ingame

We actually have this kind of scoring system in TK2 internal clan wars. And indeed, it's a rather good system. Not saying it should simply be changed to that though.

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384630 is a reply to message #384559]

Wed, 06 May 2009 11:33

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I thought TT was not going to change Renegade Gameplay, just solve gliches, bugs, add new things like a map downloader, fix the current horrible netcode and get some proper Anti Cheat going.

I doubt TT is suitable for this, or will actually do this.

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384638 is a reply to message #384559]

Wed, 06 May 2009 11:49

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Although I think it's a good idea, I don't think TT should touch this. It's probably possible to make a server side modification to do this though.

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Wed, 06 May 2009 12:56

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StealthEye wrote on Wed, 06 May 2009 11:49

Although I think it's a good idea, I don't think TT should touch this. It's probably possible to make a server side modification to do this though.

You beat me to replying to this! Sad

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384661 is a reply to message #384559]

Wed, 06 May 2009 13:16

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fix the current horrible netcode and get some proper Anti Cheat going

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384676 is a reply to message #384638]

Wed, 06 May 2009 15:29

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no, of course it should not be changed completly.
was just a question, if it is possible to code.

if so, it should be an option in FDS.

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Wed, 06 May 2009 18:33

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rrutk wrote on Wed, 06 May 2009 18:29

no, of course it should not be changed completly.
was just a question, if it is possible to code.

if so, it should be an option in FDS.

A new (optional) gamemode where everybody is a pleco that fires live nuclear strike beacons is definitely possible to code; that doesn't that we are going to do it.

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384705 is a reply to message #384559]

Wed, 06 May 2009 20:43

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great idea Thumbs Up

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384721 is a reply to message #384705]

Thu, 07 May 2009 00:48

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AWESOME!

Do I see another roofgnomes topic coming out of this?

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384724 is a reply to message #384692]

Thu, 07 May 2009 02:07

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Saberhawk wrote on Wed, 06 May 2009 18:33

rrutk wrote on Wed, 06 May 2009 18:29

no, of course it should not be changed completly.
was just a question, if it is possible to code.

if so, it should be an option in FDS.

A new (optional) gamemode where everybody is a pleco that fires live nuclear strike beacons is definitely possible to code; that doesn't that we are going to do it.

My hopes and dreams, crushed... >:[

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384729 is a reply to message #384559]

Thu, 07 May 2009 02:36

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I think its a great idea and should have also been that way.
Point whoring is just dumb and requires no skill.
If that is all it takes to win a game of Renegade then I might aswell play a different game which requires more skill and fun like quake etc.

Thats my opinion.

Also what I find irritating is that when I have spent the whole game batteling the other players and am
clearly the most valuable player on the team some one else gets the MVP for just sitting in a tank
far away ponitworing the building letting evryone else do the work.

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384797 is a reply to message #384559]

Thu, 07 May 2009 08:48

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the current point system encourages tank fights in order to allow pointwhoring to take place, renegade is a tank game. Plus tank fights are one of the few areas of ren where cheats are still easy to detect.

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384851 is a reply to message #384729]

Thu, 07 May 2009 13:14

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m00nLiTe wrote on Thu, 07 May 2009 11:36

I think its a great idea and should have also been that way.
Point whoring is just dumb and requires no skill.
If that is all it takes to win a game of Renegade then I might aswell play a different game which requires more skill and fun like quake etc.

Thats my opinion.

Also what I find irritating is that when I have spent the whole game batteling the other players and am
clearly the most valuable player on the team some one else gets the MVP for just sitting in a tank
far away ponitworing the building letting evryone else do the work.

You know that by pointwhoring you actually help your team, simply because you're keeping at least 1 player occupied of the enemy team, you're getting points and last but certainly not least, you might kill a building.

Try killing a building in quake, if you like that more >.>

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384854 is a reply to message #384559]

Thu, 07 May 2009 13:28

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By only whoring one building you're actually keeping less than one player busy, at least in larger games. As for example, if three arts whore a building, two hotties can keep it up.

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384864 is a reply to message #384559]

Thu, 07 May 2009 14:10

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I think its a pretty good idea rrutk. This would make the game much more challenging!

I hope some servers will be able to implent this gameplay change Big Ups

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384873 is a reply to message #384851]

Thu, 07 May 2009 15:12

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EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Thu, 07 May 2009 15:14

m00nLiTe wrote on Thu, 07 May 2009 11:36

I think its a great idea and should have also been that way.
Point whoring is just dumb and requires no skill.
If that is all it takes to win a game of Renegade then I might aswell play a different game which requires more skill and fun like quake etc.

Thats my opinion.

Also what I find irritating is that when I have spent the whole game batteling the other players and am
clearly the most valuable player on the team some one else gets the MVP for just sitting in a tank
far away ponitworing the building letting evryone else do the work.

You know that by pointwhoring you actually help your team, simply because you're keeping at least 1 player occupied of the enemy team, you're getting points and last but certainly not least, you might kill a building.

Try killing a building in quake, if you like that more >.>

I understand that a pointwhorer will keep some players occupied by repairing a building
but does that mean they deserve to get MVP?
The main reason why so many players do this is to get MVP or a hell of a lot of points.

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384888 is a reply to message #384559]

Thu, 07 May 2009 16:01

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1) Turn off engineers repairing buildings in the options menu.
2) ???
3) PROFIT!!1!

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384918 is a reply to message #384692]

Thu, 07 May 2009 20:20

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Saberhawk wrote on Wed, 06 May 2009 20:33

A new (optional) gamemode where everybody is a pleco that fires live nuclear strike beacons is definitely possible to code; that doesn't that we are going to do it.

why the fuck not

that would be the best crate ever

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Re: Idea of new gamemode/gameplay. Possible? [message #384923 is a reply to message #384559]

Thu, 07 May 2009 20:37

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Tbh that would be possible for someone to make now imo.

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Thu, 07 May 2009 23:33

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Lone0001 wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 05:37

Tbh that would be possible for someone to make now imo.

That's what i thought: should be possible server side, no? Example: give the team +5.000 points for each building that gets destroyed. Idea implemented!

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Thu, 07 May 2009 23:58

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Saberhawk wrote on Wed, 06 May 2009 21:33

rrutk wrote on Wed, 06 May 2009 18:29

no, of course it should not be changed completly.
was just a question, if it is possible to code.

if so, it should be an option in FDS.

A new (optional) gamemode where everybody is a pleco that fires live nuclear strike beacons is definitely possible to code; that doesn't that we are going to do it.

I was talking about this but yeah the other thing would be possible too.

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