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The SBH is one of the most popular units in Renegade. However many people hate them. Why is this? Discuss.

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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383291 is a reply to message #383290] Tue, 28 April 2009 18:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Even though they're really good.
They just get annoying when you have
some noobs on your team waiting for
someone to get out of their tank
so you can steal it, it really wastes
time when you can be doing something better


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383292 is a reply to message #383290] Tue, 28 April 2009 18:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Because sometimes your team mates will ignore the fact that they have a good all-round weapon, and just hide while you do all the work.

However, when properly balancing firepower and stealth, they kick ass.

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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383295 is a reply to message #383290] Tue, 28 April 2009 18:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Because too many people use them.

The average SBH player on Nod is basically 1 less player on that team.

So in a 10 vs 10 game, where 5 people are SBHs, its more like 10 vs 5.
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because everyone else doesn't like it.. if some1 finds out ur using a sbh on gdi, they call you n00b and think they're kool

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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383307 is a reply to message #383290] Tue, 28 April 2009 19:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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m00nLiTe wrote on Tue, 28 April 2009 20:55

The SBH is one of the most popular units in Renegade. However many people hate them. Why is this? Discuss.


On a map like Field or Under, usually a third of the Nod team is running around with SBHs. Most people just stand around with them and do nothing, in hopes that they could steal an enemy vehicle. In the rare occasion where they do steal a tank, they usually get it blown up or just have it locked in the base.

SBHs can deal a lot of damage if they were actually used in opportune moments, but most people don't do that.


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383317 is a reply to message #383307] Tue, 28 April 2009 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Heres your explanation:
For me every unit i am best at is always the unit i am worst at fighting againsed this is with every game i have ever played.
therefor i am comeplete awesomeness when it comes to the SBH but hate them because they keep jacking my fucking mammoth tanks and i wish to kill them all. That is why I FUCKING HATE THEM and love them at the same time. (HOWS THAT FOR A LONG ASS EXPLANATION BITCH)


Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383342 is a reply to message #383290] Tue, 28 April 2009 20:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i love sbh's most powerful unit in the game if used right.

They should cost more though


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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383360 is a reply to message #383290] Tue, 28 April 2009 23:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Like a few said above: most people use it incorrectly / at bad timing. A bit like mammoth tanks.

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because there scary when they pop outa nowere and you poop your pants

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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383366 is a reply to message #383290] Tue, 28 April 2009 23:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1)75% of the team are them
2)the dont do anything excpet wait to steal tanks
3)the weapon whore but dont use the weapons
4)they only attack when your about to die and say how much you suck and call you a noob
5)they act like they the shit
6)they get snipers and whore
7)they refill every damn - 2 hp

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Re: SBH, why everyone hates them [message #383373 is a reply to message #383290] Wed, 29 April 2009 00:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I use the SBH more as a general purpose unit, although I tend to buy the LCG instead where possible. If I had between 400 and 449 credits and needed a good all round weapon immediatly (ie: to defend against an attack on the base), SBH would be my choice.

That said, some players buying an SBH will just sit around the base or field and kill steal or try to nab tanks while the enemy repairs them. While it is possible to steal the occasional tank this way, sitting around waiting for the opportunity is stupid, and its players doing moronic things like this that people hate.

Unfortunatly, because of those morons there is now a stigma attached to using the SBH because the vast majority of people buying them are not going to do anything useful with it.


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R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 29 April 2009 04:25

Because too many people use them.

The average SBH player on Nod is basically 1 less player on that team.

So in a 10 vs 10 game, where 5 people are SBHs, its more like 10 vs 5.


oh, yeah, imagine all the sbhs supporting a stank and shooting enemy tank. There would be massive firepowere
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I love the SBH's who tell the team to get down the base defenses so they can go in and nuke em. When instead they could go get a tank and help take out the base defenses then go be an SBH

And if you get your tank stolen by an SBH, perhaps your getting out of your tank some place you shouldn't be. Its very rare an SBH steals my vehicle.


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Overall it's often better to take the chance of getting your tank stolen one time out of 25, then to not repair at all in the field. The key is to make small repairs, so they don't get too much time to steal your tank and you stay in the green Smile.

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Goztow wrote on Wed, 29 April 2009 06:29

Overall it's often better to take the chance of getting your tank stolen one time out of 25, then to not repair at all in the field. The key is to make small repairs, so they don't get too much time to steal your tank and you stay in the green Smile.


Or to booby-trap your tank. Any unit that can repair can also use remote C4, and triggering your trap is as simple as hitting enter and right clicking. Most vehicles that require frequent repairs (Orcas/apaches/MRLS/Artillery) only need 2 C4 anyway. They can steal your tank, but in the end all they manage to do is give themselves away and give you points (In some high-income maps like Complex and Islands, the points are worth much more than credits used to buy the tank anyway)


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Dover wrote on Wed, 29 April 2009 14:42

Goztow wrote on Wed, 29 April 2009 06:29

Overall it's often better to take the chance of getting your tank stolen one time out of 25, then to not repair at all in the field. The key is to make small repairs, so they don't get too much time to steal your tank and you stay in the green Smile.


Or to booby-trap your tank. Any unit that can repair can also use remote C4, and triggering your trap is as simple as hitting enter and right clicking. Most vehicles that require frequent repairs (Orcas/apaches/MRLS/Artillery) only need 2 C4 anyway. They can steal your tank, but in the end all they manage to do is give themselves away and give you points (In some high-income maps like Complex and Islands, the points are worth much more than credits used to buy the tank anyway)


Yeah, but then you are using up part of the mine limit.




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Dover wrote on Wed, 29 April 2009 14:42

Goztow wrote on Wed, 29 April 2009 06:29

Overall it's often better to take the chance of getting your tank stolen one time out of 25, then to not repair at all in the field. The key is to make small repairs, so they don't get too much time to steal your tank and you stay in the green Smile.


Or to booby-trap your tank. Any unit that can repair can also use remote C4, and triggering your trap is as simple as hitting enter and right clicking. Most vehicles that require frequent repairs (Orcas/apaches/MRLS/Artillery) only need 2 C4 anyway. They can steal your tank, but in the end all they manage to do is give themselves away and give you points (In some high-income maps like Complex and Islands, the points are worth much more than credits used to buy the tank anyway)


Yeah, but then you are using up part of the mine limit.






Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a seperate limit for proximity C4 and remote C4?

And anyway, both the maps I mentioned have only 3 buildings and relatively tight entrances, making mines less of an issue than on, let's say City_Flying, or Volcano.


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There is, but not standard. Only on servers that have modified the mine limit to have a seperate one for remotes and proxies. In standard ren, the remote and proxy mine limit is 30 all together.

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Goztow wrote on Wed, 29 April 2009 01:22

Like a few said above: most people use it incorrectly / at bad timing. A bit like mammoth tanks.


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If used correctly, the SBH is great. If there's a stalemate on Walls Flying, or Nod's being assaulted heavily, I usually grab a SBH and nuke one of GDI's buildings. I succeed around 8 out of 10 times.

Though, 75% of the people with a SBH are like HAY I R KOOL I R INVIZIBAL L!OL!OLO!L!O!l1o1l1ol


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Goztow wrote on Wed, 29 April 2009 14:29

Overall it's often better to take the chance of getting your tank stolen one time out of 25, then to not repair at all in the field. The key is to make small repairs, so they don't get too much time to steal your tank and you stay in the green Smile.


always repair over dying, lose the tank if you don't so why not just risk it for biscuit + sexy speakers + sound effects turned up to max and you can hear that sbh running to your tank lololol


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sbh suck
sbh have low fire power
in close combat they can't fight shotgun soldier


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You are quite wrong, SBHs are fairly useful against soldiers and vehicles imo, you just have to know how to use them and no that does not mean going around all game looking for something do steal, that is not how you use them.

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