| Germans and WW2 [message #382836] |
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Once, a German exchange student came into our class and told us about his home life. Nobody asked about what their views were on WW2 and Hitler, it probably wasn't a very good time to ask either.
So, what do Germans, in general, think of Hitler and his shanagens? Do Germans deny it or get very offended when the topic is brought up?
I'm not meaning to be an ass hole or bring up things that don't need to be talked about, although that is kind of what I'm doing. I'm just trying to see it from another point of view.
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #382849 is a reply to message #382836] |
Sun, 26 April 2009 21:52  |
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I used to think all germans were ass holes simply because of WW2(and WW1). Once you learn the history behind everything there's really no reason to hate them. They were mislead by one insane individual.
In the early 1900's Germany had a failing economy. Citizens were struggling to survive. Hitler took advantage of this and used the Jewish race as a scapegoat. When you have nothing left why not believe him?
As for the concentration camps and the miserable treatment of their prisoners well whats new? Not mistreatment of prisoners thats for sure. A few people did rebel against orders. It didn't get very far.
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #382850 is a reply to message #382836] |
Sun, 26 April 2009 21:57 |
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Genetix is right, after the mass inflation due to the aftermath of ww1 where the allies seriously screwed germany over at the treaty of versialles, Germans could easily be led astray by anyone who was trying to restore the nation to its former glory. It can easily be argued that if the treaty of versaille was fairer then ww2 wouldn't have happened... but this is deviating from the original question.
Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children...
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #382854 is a reply to message #382850] |
Sun, 26 April 2009 22:05 |
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| Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 22:57 |
Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children...
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As someone who has actually travelled near those cities on exchange programs I have to say there is another story there as well.
It was a rather harsh and cruel reaction by the USA but Japan was being poorly lead by the Emperor. The Japanese people thought he was actually godlike and not human before the atomic bombs were dropped. The Emperor came out publicaly and apologized for his poor decision becoming an ally with Hitler. There was shock throughout the population and even today many people think the Japanese Emperor is still a god!
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #382947 is a reply to message #382935] |
Mon, 27 April 2009 08:38 |
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if anyone comes across any neo-nazis who still admire hitler, this is my suggested argument you should use against them. simply refer them to something hitler himself said in early 1945.
at this point the tide was well and truly turned against him (whereas early in WW2, germany's military successes were astonishing) - france taken back, italy as good as beaten, russia sweeping towards berlin from the other side. instead of just do the smart thing, cut their losses and surrender, hitler wanted germany to fight till the bitter end - so what he said was that if germany lost this war, then everything he'd previously said about the superiority of the aryan race must've been entirely wrong.
a rare moment of wisdom from such a deranged lunatic, upon which he may now be taken up.
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383013 is a reply to message #382850] |
Mon, 27 April 2009 12:28 |
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| Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 23:57 |
How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children...
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I think it was a terrible thing to do, but who knows how long the war would've dragged on, or how high it would've escalated.
| so say we all. wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 09:15 |
hitler? 1933-1945? DOESNT RING A BELL.
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383066 is a reply to message #382850] |
Mon, 27 April 2009 17:18 |
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| Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 23:57 |
Genetix is right, after the mass inflation due to the aftermath of ww1 where the allies seriously screwed germany over at the treaty of versialles, Germans could easily be led astray by anyone who was trying to restore the nation to its former glory. It can easily be argued that if the treaty of versaille was fairer then ww2 wouldn't have happened... but this is deviating from the original question.
Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children...
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Hey douche, that saved more lives than it took. Firebombing Japan took more lives than both of the bombs. Also, just to get onto the shores of japan was estimated to take 1.5 million Allied lives. You tell me if that is worth taking 220,000 lives from some other country than your own. We weren't exactly feeling very cordial towards the Japanese at that point. After all they attacked us and then declared war. Whereas we told them what would happen for 2 weeks. They refused to surrender so we nuked them. 3 days is plenty of time to say we surrender, but they decided not to surrender. So we nuked them again. more info below, its not a source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383068 is a reply to message #382932] |
Mon, 27 April 2009 17:50 |
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| 2GLOCK9S wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 05:06 |
Once, a German exchange student came into our class and told us about his home life. Nobody asked about what their views were on WW2 and Hitler, it probably wasn't a very good time to ask either.
So, what do Germans, in general, think of Hitler and his shanagens? Do Germans deny it or get very offended when the topic is brought up?
I'm not meaning to be an ass hole or bring up things that don't need to be talked about, although that is kind of what I'm doing. I'm just trying to see it from another point of view.
Thank you.
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Lol, to be german is not a bad ailment, but i know what you mean.
I had the same problem with my grandpa when i was a child.
My grandpa was born 1922 and was therefore a part of the WW2.
He died years ago and i had never the chance to ask my questions.
A part of my generation know a shit of the time.
They know only the hitler salute, the swastika and maybe that the nazis killed "some" jews.
Some of them are really aggressive, trying to be cool and joining little neon nazi groups, those groups are against everything what is not german, with dark peel, sometimes is a little accent enough. (But we have this problem global and not only in germany) 
My opinion is, the time was a disaster, WW1 and the agreement made a big part of the nation very poor.
They waited for a man who change all that.
Hitler was the man.
He gave the nation jobs and alot proud, proud like never before.
A big part was therefore 100% loyal, hitler gave them whatever they want.
The grudge to jews started to be the pure hate.
His epic power made him insane, an insane dictator with too much power was the result.
I hope that can't happen again, not in germany and not somewhere else.
It is very important to speak about this, today and in 100 years or it could happen again.
I'm proud to be german, sure not because we had hitler or what germany did.
Football, cars like Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz, sausages and good beer, that are the reasons. 
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Who the fuck cares about the history?
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The history is a part of us all.
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383074 is a reply to message #382836] |
Mon, 27 April 2009 18:28 |
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it seems like some of you are thinking I don't like Germans. If that's what some of you meant, I don't have anything against them.
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383476 is a reply to message #382850] |
Wed, 29 April 2009 13:43 |
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| Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 23:57 |
Genetix is right, after the mass inflation due to the aftermath of ww1 where the allies seriously screwed germany over at the treaty of versialles, Germans could easily be led astray by anyone who was trying to restore the nation to its former glory. It can easily be argued that if the treaty of versaille was fairer then ww2 wouldn't have happened... but this is deviating from the original question.
Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children...
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american nuke kill women chrildren more than 10000
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383480 is a reply to message #382854] |
Wed, 29 April 2009 13:47 |
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| genetix wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 07:05 |
| Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 22:57 |
Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children...
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As someone who has actually travelled near those cities on exchange programs I have to say there is another story there as well.
It was a rather harsh and cruel reaction by the USA but Japan was being poorly lead by the Emperor. The Japanese people thought he was actually godlike and not human before the atomic bombs were dropped. The Emperor came out publicaly and apologized for his poor decision becoming an ally with Hitler. There was shock throughout the population and even today many people think the Japanese Emperor is still a god!
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is not emperor fault
japan and german have alliance because of council of japan
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383742 is a reply to message #382836] |
Thu, 30 April 2009 19:55 |
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hey campa and other germans, do you get taught in history at school about the nazi era and what happened etc.
3rd of my a-level was based around hitler and his rise to power in germany and there are quite a few other courses that cover why the germans did what they did, the opposition in germany etc. Dunno if americans have the same.
But do you guys study how the Hitler was able to make so many people do such inhumane stuff?
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383750 is a reply to message #383480] |
Thu, 30 April 2009 20:29 |
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| DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Wed, 29 April 2009 14:47 |
| genetix wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 07:05 |
| Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 22:57 |
Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children...
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As someone who has actually travelled near those cities on exchange programs I have to say there is another story there as well.
It was a rather harsh and cruel reaction by the USA but Japan was being poorly lead by the Emperor. The Japanese people thought he was actually godlike and not human before the atomic bombs were dropped. The Emperor came out publicaly and apologized for his poor decision becoming an ally with Hitler. There was shock throughout the population and even today many people think the Japanese Emperor is still a god!
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is not emperor fault
japan and german have alliance because of council of japan
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The emperor controlled Japan and WAS considered a god. They didn't think he was human. His public apology to the Japanese people following the bombings expresses that he was involved.
That was the story of the grandparents in Japan atleast when I was there talking to them on an exchange program.
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383770 is a reply to message #383750] |
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allying with hitler is hardly the only appalling thing Japan did under a theocratic, fascist imperialism.
Japan (and for that matter Germany) is a pretty good example of how "installing democracy" (after overthrowing fascist dictatorships) can work; look at the two countries now, compared to what they were 60-70 years ago. the reason japan was such an appalling country back then wasn't because it was japanese, but because it was so religious. claiming a human is a physical incarnation of a god! when has this ever not resulted in horrific misery?
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383869 is a reply to message #383750] |
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| genetix wrote on Thu, 30 April 2009 22:29 |
| DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Wed, 29 April 2009 14:47 |
| genetix wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 07:05 |
| Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 22:57 |
Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children...
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As someone who has actually travelled near those cities on exchange programs I have to say there is another story there as well.
It was a rather harsh and cruel reaction by the USA but Japan was being poorly lead by the Emperor. The Japanese people thought he was actually godlike and not human before the atomic bombs were dropped. The Emperor came out publicaly and apologized for his poor decision becoming an ally with Hitler. There was shock throughout the population and even today many people think the Japanese Emperor is still a god!
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is not emperor fault
japan and german have alliance because of council of japan
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The emperor controlled Japan and WAS considered a god. They didn't think he was human. His public apology to the Japanese people following the bombings expresses that he was involved.
That was the story of the grandparents in Japan atleast when I was there talking to them on an exchange program.
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only emperor can control all japan?
another royal member and aristocratic is decoration?
is not emperor fault
is because council of japan
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #384021 is a reply to message #382836] |
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Some of the Japanese beliefs then were pretty crazy. if the emperor would've followed the code of bushido and never surrendered, tokyo would've been flattened too. now I know we were bluffing, but it wouldn't have been long before we got another nuke and we most likely would've been able to hold off the axis until then.
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| DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:37 |
| 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 21:36 |
Some of the Japanese beliefs then were pretty crazy. if the emperor would've followed the code of bushido and never surrendered, tokyo would've been flattened too. now I know we were bluffing, but it wouldn't have been long before we got another nuke and we most likely would've been able to hold off the axis until then.
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why you say japanese crazy?
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no i meant their code of bushido, never backing down, could've caused a lot of death. that's all i meant.
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| Re: Germans and WW2 [message #384087 is a reply to message #384038] |
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| 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:50 |
| DAUGHTER DIVER wrote on Sun, 03 May 2009 01:37 |
| 2GLOCK9S wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 21:36 |
Some of the Japanese beliefs then were pretty crazy. if the emperor would've followed the code of bushido and never surrendered, tokyo would've been flattened too. now I know we were bluffing, but it wouldn't have been long before we got another nuke and we most likely would've been able to hold off the axis until then.
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why you say japanese crazy?
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no i meant their code of bushido, never backing down, could've caused a lot of death. that's all i meant.
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it japan culture you can't judge them
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