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Germans and WW2 [message #382836] |
Sun, 26 April 2009 20:06  |
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slosha
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Once, a German exchange student came into our class and told us about his home life. Nobody asked about what their views were on WW2 and Hitler, it probably wasn't a very good time to ask either.
So, what do Germans, in general, think of Hitler and his shanagens? Do Germans deny it or get very offended when the topic is brought up?
I'm not meaning to be an ass hole or bring up things that don't need to be talked about, although that is kind of what I'm doing. I'm just trying to see it from another point of view.
Thank you.
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Re: Germans and WW2 [message #382850 is a reply to message #382836] |
Sun, 26 April 2009 21:57   |
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Genetix is right, after the mass inflation due to the aftermath of ww1 where the allies seriously screwed germany over at the treaty of versialles, Germans could easily be led astray by anyone who was trying to restore the nation to its former glory. It can easily be argued that if the treaty of versaille was fairer then ww2 wouldn't have happened... but this is deviating from the original question.
Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children...
Jamie is a guys name in Europe...
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Re: Germans and WW2 [message #382854 is a reply to message #382850] |
Sun, 26 April 2009 22:05   |
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Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 22:57 | Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children...
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As someone who has actually travelled near those cities on exchange programs I have to say there is another story there as well.
It was a rather harsh and cruel reaction by the USA but Japan was being poorly lead by the Emperor. The Japanese people thought he was actually godlike and not human before the atomic bombs were dropped. The Emperor came out publicaly and apologized for his poor decision becoming an ally with Hitler. There was shock throughout the population and even today many people think the Japanese Emperor is still a god!
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Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383066 is a reply to message #382850] |
Mon, 27 April 2009 17:18   |
Muad Dib15
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Nune wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 23:57 | Genetix is right, after the mass inflation due to the aftermath of ww1 where the allies seriously screwed germany over at the treaty of versialles, Germans could easily be led astray by anyone who was trying to restore the nation to its former glory. It can easily be argued that if the treaty of versaille was fairer then ww2 wouldn't have happened... but this is deviating from the original question.
Btw though, as an american... How do you feel knowing ur country nuked civillian cities at the end of ww2 killing 1000's of woman and children...
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Hey douche, that saved more lives than it took. Firebombing Japan took more lives than both of the bombs. Also, just to get onto the shores of japan was estimated to take 1.5 million Allied lives. You tell me if that is worth taking 220,000 lives from some other country than your own. We weren't exactly feeling very cordial towards the Japanese at that point. After all they attacked us and then declared war. Whereas we told them what would happen for 2 weeks. They refused to surrender so we nuked them. 3 days is plenty of time to say we surrender, but they decided not to surrender. So we nuked them again. more info below, its not a source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
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Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383068 is a reply to message #382932] |
Mon, 27 April 2009 17:50   |
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cAmpa
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2GLOCK9S wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 05:06 | Once, a German exchange student came into our class and told us about his home life. Nobody asked about what their views were on WW2 and Hitler, it probably wasn't a very good time to ask either.
So, what do Germans, in general, think of Hitler and his shanagens? Do Germans deny it or get very offended when the topic is brought up?
I'm not meaning to be an ass hole or bring up things that don't need to be talked about, although that is kind of what I'm doing. I'm just trying to see it from another point of view.
Thank you.
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Lol, to be german is not a bad ailment, but i know what you mean.
I had the same problem with my grandpa when i was a child.
My grandpa was born 1922 and was therefore a part of the WW2.
He died years ago and i had never the chance to ask my questions.
A part of my generation know a shit of the time.
They know only the hitler salute, the swastika and maybe that the nazis killed "some" jews.
Some of them are really aggressive, trying to be cool and joining little neon nazi groups, those groups are against everything what is not german, with dark peel, sometimes is a little accent enough. (But we have this problem global and not only in germany) 
My opinion is, the time was a disaster, WW1 and the agreement made a big part of the nation very poor.
They waited for a man who change all that.
Hitler was the man.
He gave the nation jobs and alot proud, proud like never before.
A big part was therefore 100% loyal, hitler gave them whatever they want.
The grudge to jews started to be the pure hate.
His epic power made him insane, an insane dictator with too much power was the result.
I hope that can't happen again, not in germany and not somewhere else.
It is very important to speak about this, today and in 100 years or it could happen again.
I'm proud to be german, sure not because we had hitler or what germany did.
Football, cars like Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz, sausages and good beer, that are the reasons.
Sir Kane wrote on Mon, 27 April 2009 15:48 | Who the fuck cares about the history?
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The history is a part of us all.
Bückstabü!
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Re: Germans and WW2 [message #383770 is a reply to message #383750] |
Fri, 01 May 2009 02:19   |
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allying with hitler is hardly the only appalling thing Japan did under a theocratic, fascist imperialism.
Japan (and for that matter Germany) is a pretty good example of how "installing democracy" (after overthrowing fascist dictatorships) can work; look at the two countries now, compared to what they were 60-70 years ago. the reason japan was such an appalling country back then wasn't because it was japanese, but because it was so religious. claiming a human is a physical incarnation of a god! when has this ever not resulted in horrific misery?
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Re: Germans and WW2 [message #384021 is a reply to message #382836] |
Sat, 02 May 2009 19:36   |
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slosha
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Some of the Japanese beliefs then were pretty crazy. if the emperor would've followed the code of bushido and never surrendered, tokyo would've been flattened too. now I know we were bluffing, but it wouldn't have been long before we got another nuke and we most likely would've been able to hold off the axis until then.
The road I cruise is a bitch now, baby.
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