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| Re: Requesting server list... [message #382115 is a reply to message #382095] |
Thu, 23 April 2009 10:40   |
Pyr0man1c
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bad internet?
"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"
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and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...
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A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.
Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.
Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).
Is it just me, or does that make more sense?
The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".
My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).
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ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.
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| Re: Requesting server list... [message #382266 is a reply to message #382095] |
Thu, 23 April 2009 23:15 |
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Goztow
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Your message indicates that something is blocking access to the xwis servers. This would probably be a firewall or something like peerguardian2.
Could you, however, post the content of your "hosts" file in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS\ETC , just to be sure.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Requesting server list... [message #382338 is a reply to message #382095] |
Fri, 24 April 2009 08:36 |
Morbid
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"# Copyright (c) 1993-1999 Microsoft Corp.
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# This is a sample HOSTS file used by Microsoft TCP/IP for Windows.
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# This file contains the mappings of IP addresses to host names. Each
# entry should be kept on an individual line. The IP address should
# be placed in the first column followed by the corresponding host name.
# The IP address and the host name should be separated by at least one
# space.
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# Additionally, comments (such as these) may be inserted on individual
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# 102.54.94.97 rhino.acme.com # source server
# 38.25.63.10 x.acme.com # x client host
127.0.0.1 localhost
212.162.52.233 irc.westwood.com
212.162.52.233 servserv.westwood.com
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| Re: Requesting server list... [message #382339 is a reply to message #382095] |
Fri, 24 April 2009 08:41 |
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Goztow
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Remove the lines:
212.162.52.233 irc.westwood.com
212.162.52.233 servserv.westwood.com
They're useless.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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Whenever I try to get online with Renegade, after I click "Advanced Server Listings" it comes up with a message saying "requesting server listings, please wait", and then goes onto one saying "operation timed out" after a few minutes. It does this no matter what I do with the settings. I have Renguard and the Core Patches and all that shiz installed, I don't have any cheats/mods/skins in my Ren folder, I have a legal copy of Renegade, I've allowed Renegade through my firewall and it still won't let me in. I'm confused as to what to do :S I used to be able to get onto the server listings absolutely fine, haven't played Ren for a few months so only noticed it was stopping me getting on when I loaded it up yesterday after a while. If anyone has any suggestions about what may be wrong and how I could maybe fix it I would be extremely grateful 
cheers for the replies though!
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