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What does title and reputation affect? [message #374780] Wed, 04 March 2009 09:14 Go to next message
GEORGE ZIMMER is currently offline  GEORGE ZIMMER
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So, I've kinda wanted to make a topic like this awhile ago, but never got around to it. I remember when Goztow banned that one guy advertising for AVP2 mod stuff, and I said something something along the lines of "If you contributed more and actually helped the community out and stopped advertising, you'd probably not be banned". And I'm wondering if I was right- if you contribute and help out alot, but then make some pretty big faults, do your contributions excuse this more? Or is it just that people who DON'T contribute are simply LESS excused?

And whether it is or isn't this way, SHOULD it be that way?


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Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #374783 is a reply to message #374780] Wed, 04 March 2009 09:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #374794 is a reply to message #374780] Wed, 04 March 2009 10:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think people generally tolerate the contributers more when they do something shitty, because they're proven to normally be nice people.
When they do something shitty, it's out of character.



Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #374798 is a reply to message #374794] Wed, 04 March 2009 10:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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reborn wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 10:45

I think people generally tolerate the contributers more when they do something shitty, because they're proven to normally be nice people.
When they do something shitty, it's out of character.

Agreed, its easier to overlook someone's mistakes if they have at least been trying to help others, where as if you go around and just piss people off, people just think "ah well he was just asking for it."


Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #374810 is a reply to message #374780] Wed, 04 March 2009 11:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Reborn is right. Also, never contributing is actually causing a lot of small pieces of "harm" to others.

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Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #374857 is a reply to message #374810] Wed, 04 March 2009 15:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goztow wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 11:33

Reborn is right. Also, never contributing is actually causing a lot of small pieces of "harm" to others.

Not really harm but it definitely doesn't help keep the community alive in any ways, it definitely harms you never to talk, because people never get to know you. A quiet person is often feared more then a annoying person in today's society Thumbs Up


Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #374858 is a reply to message #374780] Wed, 04 March 2009 15:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Forgive me if I misunderstood your question:

Think of it like extra credit.

You don't hurt yourself or others if you don't contribute (keep in mind I'm only talking about custom free-time projects like a mod). So you can only gain if you do contribute, regardless of how crappy whatever it is you contributed. The worst thing that can happen is that they say "This isn't good" and it gets pushed aside.

However, if it is an official project, be it writing a magazine, designing a game, building a house, or whatever, if you are put on that project and you don't contribute, then you only put yourself and others in a worse situation.

So it really depends on what it is you are contributing to.
Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #374868 is a reply to message #374780] Wed, 04 March 2009 15:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Basically the perfect example is trooprm02. Goztow was willing to excuse his trolling because he made some quality, constructive posts in other areas of the forums. However, troop kept trolling, and his good posts started to dwindle. Once it was seen that he was an absolutely worthless contributor to the forums (and that a vast majority of members thought he was deserving of a ban), Goztow talked to Crimson, and troop was promptly banned.

I'm assuming that had troop continued to actually contribute something positive to the forums (even amidst his negative contributions), he probably wouldn't have been banned. At least, not permanently.


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Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #374882 is a reply to message #374868] Wed, 04 March 2009 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 15:52

Basically the perfect example is trooprm02. Goztow was willing to excuse his trolling because he made some quality, constructive posts in other areas of the forums. However, troop kept trolling, and his good posts started to dwindle. Once it was seen that he was an absolutely worthless contributor to the forums (and that a vast majority of members thought he was deserving of a ban), Goztow talked to Crimson, and troop was promptly banned.

I'm assuming that had troop continued to actually contribute something positive to the forums (even amidst his negative contributions), he probably wouldn't have been banned. At least, not permanently.

Agreed, if your going to help people then people can deal with your stupidity, but once you quit helping people get annoyed and see you as a waist of bandwidth.

Then you go bye lol.


Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #374906 is a reply to message #374780] Wed, 04 March 2009 21:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I never saw a single helpful post from Troop...

99.9% of all his posts involved ridiculing others in utter stupidity. The other .1% was off topic nonsense (Like "ur so gooooooooooooooog!")
Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #374910 is a reply to message #374780] Wed, 04 March 2009 23:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I try to balance my posts between actual useful messages and PLECOS.
Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #374940 is a reply to message #374910] Thu, 05 March 2009 05:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Canadacdn wrote on Thu, 05 March 2009 01:03

I try to balance my posts between actual useful messages and PLECOS.

Yet you fail every time.


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Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #374997 is a reply to message #374940] Thu, 05 March 2009 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 05 March 2009 05:47

Canadacdn wrote on Thu, 05 March 2009 01:03

I try to balance my posts between actual useful messages and PLECOS.

Yet you fail every time.

U FAIL!

PLECOS!

ATTENTION: DON'T THROW STONES IN GLASS HOUSES WITHOUT PROPER PROTECTION, THAT IS ALL...


Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #375139 is a reply to message #374997] Fri, 06 March 2009 07:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 05 March 2009 13:20



ATTENTION: DON'T THROW STONES IN GLASS HOUSES WITHOUT PROPER PROTECTION, THAT IS ALL... [original research?] [citation_needed]

Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #375141 is a reply to message #375139] Fri, 06 March 2009 08:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Frontier Psychiatrist wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 07:55

Jerad Gray wrote on Thu, 05 March 2009 13:20



ATTENTION: DON'T THROW STONES IN GLASS HOUSES WITHOUT PROPER PROTECTION, THAT IS ALL... [original research?] [citation_needed]



Well cabal says that on level 12 of Renegade Single Player, but I'm not sure Westwood made it up, as the other one he says that includes jack is taken from a movie...


Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #375150 is a reply to message #374780] Fri, 06 March 2009 08:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #375157 is a reply to message #374868] Fri, 06 March 2009 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 16:52

Basically the perfect example is trooprm02. Goztow was willing to excuse his trolling because he made some quality, constructive posts in other areas of the forums. However, troop kept trolling, and his good posts started to dwindle. Once it was seen that he was an absolutely worthless contributor to the forums (and that a vast majority of members thought he was deserving of a ban), Goztow talked to Crimson, and troop was promptly banned.

I'm assuming that had troop continued to actually contribute something positive to the forums (even amidst his negative contributions), he probably wouldn't have been banned. At least, not permanently.

That's a pretty bad example, troop's good post to shitty post was about 1 to 2, in all seriousness. Probably even more.

Personally, I think that things that go against the law or against rules or are considered bad in whole, should be equally punished amongst people. Title and such should not affect this. I mean yeah, sometimes there's reasons as to why (Such as a bus driver crashing a bus... not too many people actually drive buses other than bus drivers, so yeah). But I'm saying if a Senator or Congressman were to, say, not pay their taxes, essentially kill their wife, or the like, I don't think that is ANY reason to EVER excuse their behavior.

Punishment should be equal amongst all men and women. And on occasion, dog.


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Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #375159 is a reply to message #375157] Fri, 06 March 2009 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Cabal8616 wrote on Fri, 06 March 2009 08:34

cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 04 March 2009 16:52

Basically the perfect example is trooprm02. Goztow was willing to excuse his trolling because he made some quality, constructive posts in other areas of the forums. However, troop kept trolling, and his good posts started to dwindle. Once it was seen that he was an absolutely worthless contributor to the forums (and that a vast majority of members thought he was deserving of a ban), Goztow talked to Crimson, and troop was promptly banned.

I'm assuming that had troop continued to actually contribute something positive to the forums (even amidst his negative contributions), he probably wouldn't have been banned. At least, not permanently.

That's a pretty bad example, troop's good post to shitty post was about 1 to 2, in all seriousness. Probably even more.

Personally, I think that things that go against the law or against rules or are considered bad in whole, should be equally punished amongst people. Title and such should not affect this. I mean yeah, sometimes there's reasons as to why (Such as a bus driver crashing a bus... not too many people actually drive buses other than bus drivers, so yeah). But I'm saying if a Senator or Congressman were to, say, not pay their taxes, essentially kill their wife, or the like, I don't think that is ANY reason to EVER excuse their behavior.

Punishment should be equal amongst all men and women. And on occasion, dog.

Oh lol, beings you originally started the topic talking about Goztow banning AVP2 mod guy I was assuming you were talking about just on forums, but yes, in Real Life I absolutely agree with you.


Re: What does title and reputation affect? [message #376377 is a reply to message #374780] Sun, 15 March 2009 20:54 Go to previous message
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Or, how bout the mods don't be so two-faced and ban people. obviously the people that really help out are probably smart enough not to do stupid stuff. Nobody wants to be that person that gets kicked out forever because of one mistake, but rules are rules and should be treated as such. If a mod decides not to ban someone for doing something wrong, they shouldn't be a mod. The purpose of mods is to keep the community under control and keep it clean. So if this goes on, why have mods at all? It's not fair to ban a newbie and not ban a well-known user for doing similar things, and isn't that what it's supposed to be all about?

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