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| Re: Xptek [message #368423 is a reply to message #364255] |
Thu, 22 January 2009 14:47   |
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There may of been no Renegade activity on XWIS before the switch, but that would of changed had owners been able to have the FDS connect to both. But if I remember correctly RA2 on XWIS had quite a lot of players on it before the switch, simply due to the westwood ladder being messed up.
Don't forget this expands past just Renegade.
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| Re: Xptek [message #368424 is a reply to message #364255] |
Thu, 22 January 2009 14:54 |
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If the idea of creating an alternative to XWIS was at all feasible, we'd already be doing it. It's not.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Xptek [message #368426 is a reply to message #368424] |
Thu, 22 January 2009 15:02 |
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| Crimson wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 15:54 |
If the idea of creating an alternative to XWIS was at all feasible, we'd already be doing it. It's not.
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Even as something that doesn't REPLACE XWIS as it currently works per se, just something mods like APB and Reborn can use?
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| Re: Xptek [message #368441 is a reply to message #368426] |
Thu, 22 January 2009 18:19 |
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| Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 16:02 |
| Crimson wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 15:54 |
If the idea of creating an alternative to XWIS was at all feasible, we'd already be doing it. It's not.
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Even as something that doesn't REPLACE XWIS as it currently works per se, just something mods like APB and Reborn can use?
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Why should it be used for mods only? If a better WOL clone comes out, all of Ren should be switched over if possible. XWIS doesn't seem to give a shit about Renegade, and the game would be better off having an online system run by people who want to improve the experience and fix bugs.
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| Re: Xptek [message #368463 is a reply to message #368441] |
Thu, 22 January 2009 22:02 |
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| Canadacdn wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 19:19 |
| Cabal8616 wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 16:02 |
| Crimson wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 15:54 |
If the idea of creating an alternative to XWIS was at all feasible, we'd already be doing it. It's not.
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Even as something that doesn't REPLACE XWIS as it currently works per se, just something mods like APB and Reborn can use?
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Why should it be used for mods only? If a better WOL clone comes out, all of Ren should be switched over if possible. XWIS doesn't seem to give a shit about Renegade, and the game would be better off having an online system run by people who want to improve the experience and fix bugs.
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| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade 
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| Re: Xptek [message #368465 is a reply to message #368464] |
Thu, 22 January 2009 23:00 |
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| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 23:56 |
| Crimson wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 16:54 |
If the idea of creating an alternative to XWIS was at all feasible, we'd already be doing it. It's not.
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Who are you to say something like that? Why are you being such a defeatist about this? Someone like you should either whole-heartedly support this or just stay out of it. Even though developing this system so late in the games life is pretty much pointless why would you come out and be like that?
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Maybe because she has a greater foundation and understanding of the current state of renegade, xwis, striketeam, and EA along with the rest of TT then you or majority of the people in this thread ( myself included )?
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| Re: Xptek [message #368493 is a reply to message #368424] |
Fri, 23 January 2009 04:29 |
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| Crimson wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 22:54 |
If the idea of creating an alternative to XWIS was at all feasible, we'd already be doing it. It's not.
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Crimson, the main reason you seem to disagree is because you like XWIS (perhaps because you're an admin there?). Technically we could code an XWIS server, and put the new ip/url in the TT client. Perhaps with an option to MANUALLY switch back to XWIS.
So it is certainly feasible.
Question is more how much time would it take to create such server, and would that delay TT in any way?
If the answer on the first is fast, and the answer on the second is little to nothing then we should at least consider it.
The last possible problem could be that setting up our own XWIS server would be that it would damage our (much needed) relations with EA. This would probably be the biggest problem, because we need EA to ship out the TT patch.
| andr3w282 wrote on Fri, 23 January 2009 07:00 |
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 23:56 |
| Crimson wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 16:54 |
If the idea of creating an alternative to XWIS was at all feasible, we'd already be doing it. It's not.
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Who are you to say something like that? Why are you being such a defeatist about this? Someone like you should either whole-heartedly support this or just stay out of it. Even though developing this system so late in the games life is pretty much pointless why would you come out and be like that?
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Maybe because she has a greater foundation and understanding of the current state of renegade, xwis, striketeam, and EA along with the rest of TT then you or majority of the people in this thread ( myself included )?
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Well , I will agree that she knows more about Striketeam and EA than me, but I do know she's wrong when she says it's not feasible. It certainly is possible, question is, at what cost?
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| Re: Xptek [message #368507 is a reply to message #364255] |
Fri, 23 January 2009 06:51 |
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She could have ment "politically feasable"...
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| Re: Xptek [message #368517 is a reply to message #368493] |
Fri, 23 January 2009 07:44 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 23 January 2009 04:29 |
| Crimson wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 22:54 |
If the idea of creating an alternative to XWIS was at all feasible, we'd already be doing it. It's not.
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Crimson, the main reason you seem to disagree is because you like XWIS (perhaps because you're an admin there?). Technically we could code an XWIS server, and put the new ip/url in the TT client. Perhaps with an option to MANUALLY switch back to XWIS.
So it is certainly feasible.
Question is more how much time would it take to create such server, and would that delay TT in any way?
If the answer on the first is fast, and the answer on the second is little to nothing then we should at least consider it.
The last possible problem could be that setting up our own XWIS server would be that it would damage our (much needed) relations with EA. This would probably be the biggest problem, because we need EA to ship out the TT patch.
| andr3w282 wrote on Fri, 23 January 2009 07:00 |
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 23:56 |
| Crimson wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 16:54 |
If the idea of creating an alternative to XWIS was at all feasible, we'd already be doing it. It's not.
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Who are you to say something like that? Why are you being such a defeatist about this? Someone like you should either whole-heartedly support this or just stay out of it. Even though developing this system so late in the games life is pretty much pointless why would you come out and be like that?
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Maybe because she has a greater foundation and understanding of the current state of renegade, xwis, striketeam, and EA along with the rest of TT then you or majority of the people in this thread ( myself included )?
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Well , I will agree that she knows more about Striketeam and EA than me, but I do know she's wrong when she says it's not feasible. It certainly is possible, question is, at what cost?
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...Maybe don't ship it with TT then because that would probably, like you said, kill our relations with EA...I'm with reborn here. I'd very much like to see this possibility for Total Conversion Mods since we have standalone games...but can't give out serials for XWIS thus relying on Direct Connect to connect to XWIS servers >.< Annoying!  lol
EDIT: And also, create a tool that was mentioned in this thread that basically functions like WOLSpy - it forwards your server onto XWIS as well 
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| Re: Xptek [message #368565 is a reply to message #364255] |
Fri, 23 January 2009 12:04 |
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I heard years ago that v00d00 had a working WOL clone, where the hell is that dude these days anyway?
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| Re: Xptek [message #368624 is a reply to message #368493] |
Fri, 23 January 2009 22:55 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Fri, 23 January 2009 06:29 |
| Crimson wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 22:54 |
If the idea of creating an alternative to XWIS was at all feasible, we'd already be doing it. It's not.
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Crimson, the main reason you seem to disagree is because you like XWIS (perhaps because you're an admin there?). Technically we could code an XWIS server, and put the new ip/url in the TT client. Perhaps with an option to MANUALLY switch back to XWIS.
So it is certainly feasible.
Question is more how much time would it take to create such server, and would that delay TT in any way?
If the answer on the first is fast, and the answer on the second is little to nothing then we should at least consider it.
The last possible problem could be that setting up our own XWIS server would be that it would damage our (much needed) relations with EA. This would probably be the biggest problem, because we need EA to ship out the TT patch.
| andr3w282 wrote on Fri, 23 January 2009 07:00 |
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 23:56 |
| Crimson wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 16:54 |
If the idea of creating an alternative to XWIS was at all feasible, we'd already be doing it. It's not.
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Who are you to say something like that? Why are you being such a defeatist about this? Someone like you should either whole-heartedly support this or just stay out of it. Even though developing this system so late in the games life is pretty much pointless why would you come out and be like that?
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Maybe because she has a greater foundation and understanding of the current state of renegade, xwis, striketeam, and EA along with the rest of TT then you or majority of the people in this thread ( myself included )?
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Well , I will agree that she knows more about Striketeam and EA than me, but I do know she's wrong when she says it's not feasible. It certainly is possible, question is, at what cost?
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I have to say the option (though taking it away would be better) included in TT would be huge. Taking it away from strike-team would greatly increase the sucess of TT and prolong the life span of Ren.
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| Re: Xptek [message #368698 is a reply to message #364255] |
Sat, 24 January 2009 09:47 |
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There's a seriously important piece that makes it not feasible. XWIS is connected to EA's serial database. Without the serial database, cheaters can keygen thousands of "valid" serials and they will be virtual un-bannable. Only XWIS has this connection, and only XWIS will get this connection. XWIS went through over a year with EA's legal department to run the WOL replacement and there's no way that EA will go through that again with any other group without a damn good reason.
I'm not being defeatist, it's just the reality of the situation. If TT were to make a WOL replacement and build it into the patch, server owners would be unable to ban players because they could change all of their identifying information rather easily.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Xptek [message #368731 is a reply to message #368698] |
Sat, 24 January 2009 11:23 |
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| Crimson wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 09:47 |
There's a seriously important piece that makes it not feasible. XWIS is connected to EA's serial database. Without the serial database, cheaters can keygen thousands of "valid" serials and they will be virtual un-bannable. Only XWIS has this connection, and only XWIS will get this connection. XWIS went through over a year with EA's legal department to run the WOL replacement and there's no way that EA will go through that again with any other group without a damn good reason.
I'm not being defeatist, it's just the reality of the situation. If TT were to make a WOL replacement and build it into the patch, server owners would be unable to ban players because they could change all of their identifying information rather easily.
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Understood. But that doesn't make it not feasible for Renegade Mods like APB, Reborn, AR, BFD, and other major mods.
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| Re: Xptek [message #368777 is a reply to message #368769] |
Sat, 24 January 2009 13:56 |
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| Crimson wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
Yeah, who would need to be banned by serial from a mod? 
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Serials aren't needed by mods...since the game's free we can't send them out with serials for a few reasons:
1. Serials would have to come from EA.
2. Since serials come from EA, you've already said they won't let the mod teams have access to the database.
3. There are other means to ban a user from a server. Just look at YaRR's source. It bans off of IP-node. You can also ban off IP/Range/Nick/DNS/etc.
EDIT: #3's not a reason we can't ship with mods  (but it helps rebut your argument earlier  )
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| Re: Xptek [message #368823 is a reply to message #364255] |
Sat, 24 January 2009 23:43 |
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Oh wow, I thought the idea was dead long ago. Hell I can't even believe I'm seeing all the old faces here.
THE TIMES.
FUCK
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