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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #36692] Tue, 05 August 2003 21:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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if time travel were possible, wouldn't we have been over-run by tourists from the future?

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How do we know? Maybe their just not letting themselves be known. <-- rhetorical question, don't attempt to answer it.
Time Travel and other stuff. [message #36810] Wed, 06 August 2003 10:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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if time travel were possible, wouldn't we have been over-run by tourists from the future?


Ever hear of gray aliens? Some people believe that these are actually humans under the natural course of thousands of years of evolution, that have travelled back to the past to study us.


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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #36811] Wed, 06 August 2003 10:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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if time travel were possible, wouldn't we have been over-run by tourists from the future?


Ever hear of gray aliens? Some people believe that these are actually humans under the natural course of thousands of years of evolution, that have travelled back to the past to study us.


Thats ridiculas. EVERYONE knows that the gray aliens are actually Ukranian pranksters with suits on who enjoy the common and entertaining act of mutilation on random westerners... DUH.



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I'd buy that for a dollar.

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if time travel were possible, wouldn't we have been over-run by tourists from the future?


Several people have given explanations for that on the first page.
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There's a lot of things that are possible in this universe that very few have even begun to realize...
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There's a lot of things that are possible in this universe that very few have even begun to realize...


Your weblog, for instance Smile



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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #36827] Wed, 06 August 2003 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quoting an essay I wrote before, someone may find it interesting:

An Exerpt from "Theories on the Space-Time Continuum"

"...

As humans, and creatures of this Earth, we have always thought ourselves to live in a 3-Dimensional world since the basis of dimension was conceived. Things can be long, tall and wide. These are the only three dimensions, and as such, we must live in a 3-Dimensional world…or do we?

When looking at a two dimensional coordinate plane, you have two factors that account for something’s location. It’s position on the x-axis, and it’s position on the y-axis. There are two dimensions in the coordinate plane, and thus it is two-dimensional. However, when you add another dimension, you have more to account for when relating position, as it becomes a three-dimensional space. When working in space, the added dimension is the z-axis, most commonly known as height. The same as when working in two dimensions, you must know the objects position on each axis in order to locate it’s position relative to any other existing object.

The axes represent each dimensional value required to locate and assign a position to an object. Because we can only see three dimensions, we assume that our world is three-dimensional, and therefore we use three axes. This, however, is not the case.

An object may physically exist in but three dimensions, yet there is another dimension which determines its position, this being it’s chronic position. If the axes help us to pinpoint an object’s location, certainly they must account for moving, dynamic and non-static objects, thus explaining a fourth dimension, and the need for a fourth axis.

..."
Time Travel and other stuff. [message #36846] Wed, 06 August 2003 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The only posible way for mater to travel though the bounderys of time is the einstine rosen bridge aka a worm hole. Worm holes were thought to be a matter of inter planetery system travel. then came a hypotosiys using einstine's theroy of relitivity. when a person travels though a worm hole the person is instantly send to the area the other worm hole is and vica versa. If we send the exit point of a worm hole (worm hole B) to an other location at speeds that mirror the speed of light and travel though the entry point of a worm hole (worm hole A) we arive at the exit point a few seconds later but if we use (worm hole B) as a entry point we travel to the (worm hole A) before we even entered (worm hole B). this creates a time portal where mater can be sent thought the bounderys of time. Confused i think. Confused

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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #36851] Wed, 06 August 2003 12:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My theory of time is that it is made up of an infinite number of "frames", but the present is the only point in time that actually exists, as it becomes the past and is destroyed. then the present is created based off the past. This might mean that time itself was predetermined when the universe was created, and maybe, if you have enough energy, you could actually make a bend, or even a hole in time, which would change the present into the past or future.

kinda similar to the parallel universe theory.


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My theory of time is that it is made up of an infinite number of "frames", but the present is the only point in time that actually exists, as it becomes the past and is destroyed. then the present is created based off the past. This might mean that time itself was predetermined when the universe was created, and maybe, if you have enough energy, you could actually make a bend, or even a hole in time, which would change the present into the past or future.

kinda similar to the parallel universe theory.


what do u mean by have enough energy? and how is it similar?


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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #36998] Wed, 06 August 2003 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Another good book about time travel is "Timeline" by Micheal Crichton(sp.)
That book is what most of my theories are based upon as well.


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I've been following the movie since I read the book last summer, finally it's coming out this fall...
Time Travel and other stuff. [message #37029] Wed, 06 August 2003 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sounds like the sci-fi chanel original serise "Sliders"

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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #37073] Wed, 06 August 2003 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The only posible way for mater to travel though the bounderys of time is the einstine rosen bridge aka a worm hole. Worm holes were thought to be a matter of inter planetery system travel. then came a hypotosiys using einstine's theroy of relitivity. when a person travels though a worm hole the person is instantly send to the area the other worm hole is and vica versa. If we send the exit point of a worm hole (worm hole B) to an other location at speeds that mirror the speed of light and travel though the entry point of a worm hole (worm hole A) we arive at the exit point a few seconds later but if we use (worm hole B) as a entry point we travel to the (worm hole A) before we even entered (worm hole B). this creates a time portal where mater can be sent thought the bounderys of time. Confused i think. Confused


that is true, the idea is that if you could hold a wormhole open, one would go through and come out near a cold star with heavy gravity. the theroy behind that is that gravity slows down aging, and essentially time itself, meaning that you go back after 10 years there and a large number of years has passed here... meaning that this is only good for going forwards... but you can't really go back in time using this idea...


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Time Travel and other stuff. [message #37085] Wed, 06 August 2003 23:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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belive it or not time travel into the future is almost posibal. at a sertan point at about -480 F molectular motion stops, which mean nothing is happening so if you some how instantly froze some one thats would be in the same phisical and mentel state when unfroze. also becuse there molicules stoped thay would be in the same time frame as thay where when thay froze.
about the multivers, sicentists belive that there is a far greater infinitely larg multivers holding all of the infinitely larg universes, i simple way to jump from one to another is with the use of black holes which are belived to be what creats another univers feeding them with other unvierses with and the unvivers feeding that one is also getting stuff from other unvivers. so every time a star colapsis and forms a black hole a white hole just created a big bang forming another univers in the multivers. so if this is correct then you can traven from one unvivers to another but never back to the original univers. this also helps the common theory on big bangs and how the univers will end in pregrsivly dencer black holes. but if you where to creat enough gravity in a sertain way in our univers you could posibly end up in the multivers not inside of a univers.
about crono shifting
yes its posibal. turning mater into enrgy then reconfiguring it in another place but you will not succed in time travel into the past only the future. lets say if you wanted to go from earth to a place 10 light years away, for you it would seem instant but for every one else thay would have been waiting for ten years, then we think about taceons maybe you heard about them on star track , and thats becuse thay where named after that. sientistits think thay have discoverd a new partical thay call a taceon that travels faster then light (in star treck there used to rip holes in time) and think thay might be help full in creating a warp drive for furture space craft. (for proff on transporting look in a giniss book of world records and youll see that sientists where abile to transport a laser beam 3 meters from its current position and recruat it egsactly in its not position)

i know i got bad spelling, please dont yell at me for that

now if you wanted to change something in the past this is how you do it (this is useing the most popluer theory)

1: travel back in time and change what you want sucessfully makeing a new time line apart from the one youcame from
2: build a time machein where you are and tranzport your self into the furture in your new time line

but you wont be abile you come back to the original time line so this wouldnt be a smart idea


Time Travel and other stuff. [message #37091] Thu, 07 August 2003 00:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just a general plea for everyone posting in this topic, please put what you type through a spell checker if you know you have bad spelling. I don't demand perfect spelling, but if you want to be understood properly, then decent spelling is needed so people can follow what you say.

Infinint, what you are talking about is absolute zero, or zero degrees kalvin. Cryogenics could be deemed time travel, but unfortunatly with todays current technology the process of freezing you would kill you as it would hae to be an instant freeze, and not something gradual.

As for your black hole theory. It sounds intersting. The only obvious problem being the immence gravitational forces at work within the center of the hole. If anything could survive such forces, I beleive that many new discoveries await us wherever it leads to.
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Does any one know what a rip in the time space contunium is?

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Sorry about that spelling it was kind of late at night and I was just rambling on. Anyway ya you wouldn’t be able to travel though a black hole because there is nothing that can resist the gravitational forces, but if you where to have a ship that could protect its self with a equally negative gravitational force the ship might be able to travel though but if you have a ship with that power you could just rip a hole any time you wanted. Also if something went wrong and you had just a small difference between fields either your ship or the black hole would collapse which could cause some of these theories, the black hole might burst in a massive explosion similar to the big bang as all its STUFF expands rapidly to there original size, if you use the theory about black hole leading to new universes then you might cut off that universe from your own.

Ripping a hole in the space time continuum is like warp drives in star trek and star wars, look at it this way, take a piece of paper and suppose that’s space and your standing on the left hand side. Now if you wanted to move to the right hand side you would have to walk about 8 inches but if you folded the paper over on itself and cut a hole though it where you where you’d only have to jump though the hole to end up 8 inches away or in space hundreds of light years away with out traveling more then a few hundred feet (depending on the size of your ship). This is aka a wormhole.

(STUFF is the only way to describe it, when something enters a black hole it loses all of its physical chemical and electrical properties but retains its mass so really only stuff that makes it though to the other universe is the stuff that goes strait though the center, in theory if you where traveling though a black hole you could end up with every thing else in the infinitely packed mass travel strait though to the other universe or travel into the multivers though the sides of the “tunnel” in between the universes.)

Wow I like this, because school is out I never been able to lecture some new one about this stuff, all of them now know what’s coming and run in the other direction lol.


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The faster you go the slower time moves, This was proved by an experiment involving a 747 and two very accurate clocks. One clock was left on the ground and the other on the plane, after a few hundred flights the clocks were checked and the times were very slightly different, by a few nano seconds.

The clock on the plane, when you think about it, was going very slowly back in time

Personally I like to use the other method of time travel, I hear wise men in London call it 'Beer' It is possible to lose entire nights to this most awesome of talisman..


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The faster you go the slower time moves, This was proved by an experiment involving a 747 and two very accurate clocks. One clock was left on the ground and the other on the plane, after a few hundred flights the clocks were checked and the times were very slightly different, by a few nano seconds.

The clock on the plane, when you think about it, was going very slowly back in time

Personally I like to use the other method of time travel, I hear wise men in London call it 'Beer' It is possible to lose entire nights to this most awesome of talisman..


I'm sure it wasnt going back in time. Acording to einstine's theroy of relitivity the faster an object is moving the slower time moves for the object. The clock was just gragualy stoped in time for a nano second. This theroy alows forward time travel and that only.


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which is why if you have an infinitely long tube and you jumped in you would trazel fowerd in time, and the only way to craet an infinitelu long tube is to have bolth ends connect so if you have a dough nut shaped thing and you have megnets that would creat and indeipendint feild from earth that whent around in circals you could jump in and you would keep going faster and faster till the you be riped apart or your craft would vaporiz even in a vacum, so what you would have to do is make a huge ring with tons of megnenest forming a infinitely long tube that you are constenly falling down going faster and faster. so some time if you some how find away to stop the effect of cintrifical force you can stop time in your little capsule when in reality and for anyone looking at the tube and you falling though it youd be there for years just a blur but for you it would be 5 minets or so

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which is why if you have an infinitely long tube and you jumped in you would trazel fowerd in time, and the only way to craet an infinitelu long tube is to have bolth ends connect so if you have a dough nut shaped thing and you have megnets that would creat and indeipendint feild from earth that whent around in circals you could jump in and you would keep going faster and faster till the you be riped apart or your craft would vaporiz even in a vacum, so what you would have to do is make a huge ring with tons of megnenest forming a infinitely long tube that you are constenly falling down going faster and faster. so some time if you some how find away to stop the effect of cintrifical force you can stop time in your little capsule when in reality and for anyone looking at the tube and you falling though it youd be there for years just a blur but for you it would be 5 minets or so
What? i dont understand a thing. use spell checker.


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which is why if you have an infinitely long tube and you jumped in you would trazel fowerd in time, and the only way to craet an infinitelu long tube is to have bolth ends connect so if you have a dough nut shaped thing and you have megnets that would creat and indeipendint feild from earth that whent around in circals you could jump in and you would keep going faster and faster till the you be riped apart or your craft would vaporiz even in a vacum, so what you would have to do is make a huge ring with tons of megnenest forming a infinitely long tube that you are constenly falling down going faster and faster. so some time if you some how find away to stop the effect of cintrifical force you can stop time in your little capsule when in reality and for anyone looking at the tube and you falling though it youd be there for years just a blur but for you it would be 5 minets or so


No, ever hear of terminal velocity? It's the speed at which falling objects stop accellerating, thus you could not reach the speed of light if you kept falling.
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mmmm i just thought of that, but you have megnets that constrnly push fowerd so the stronger thay are the faster you could go so you wont reach the speed of light but fast enough to fravel fowerd in time faster. but still it would hever work becuse humans would not be abile to servive the G's put on them

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