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| andr3w282 wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 20:37 |
For once i agree with spoonys long quoted rants.
Null, question for you. What the fuck are you even attempting to do with this thread? Bring shit to luv2pbs name? Inform us your clearly outdated on n00bstories, and the renegade community? To me your chat with luv2pb, this thread, and all your whining posts just displays you have a pent up anger over the years towards the community and/or luv2pb. Grow a pair of fucking balls and shut the fuck up.
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I like how i technically stayed on topic to this thread and have yet to receive an answer.
So once again
Null, question for you. What the fuck are you even attempting to do with this thread?
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #363974 is a reply to message #363972] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 12:04 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 12:57 |
Just because something wasn't IMPLEMENTED doesn't mean that it wasn't COMPLETE. It doesn't take a genius to realize the difference.
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Oh, there's a difference, it's just that as far as the community is concerned, it's an utterly insignificant difference. It's like me composing a beautiful symphony and never writing it down and showing it to anybody. Sure, I can boast all I like about how great it is; as far as everyone else is concerned I may as well not have done it at all.
| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 12:57 |
As far as being upset that XWIS was implemented and Linkup wasn't, let me take you back to a point that's been repeated several times in this thread. IT WASN'T RELEASED. How could anyone be upset that the community uses XWIS when it wasn't even fucking released?
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I've been wondering the same question. I can't understand null's complaint either.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #363975 is a reply to message #363974] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 12:12 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 12:57 |
Just because something wasn't IMPLEMENTED doesn't mean that it wasn't COMPLETE. It doesn't take a genius to realize the difference.
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Oh, there's a difference, it's just that as far as the community is concerned, it's an utterly insignificant difference. It's like me composing a beautiful symphony and never writing it down and showing it to anybody. Sure, I can boast all I like about how great it is; as far as everyone else is concerned I may as well not have done it at all.
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I clearly understand that, but the claims that it wasn't complete are still baseless. I don't think the issue is so much that people aren't willing to accept the idea that Linkup is superior to everything else. It's the assumptions that it was a failure and was not in working shape simply because it was canceled at the last minute.
I have absolutely no clue why null thinks that he or Linkup should be respected. On the other hand, I see absolutely no reason why Linkup should be dubbed an absolute failure because of null's claim to it.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #363976 is a reply to message #363975] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 12:19 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 13:12 |
I clearly understand that, but the claims that it wasn't complete are still baseless. I don't think the issue is so much that people aren't willing to accept the idea that Linkup is superior to everything else. It's the assumptions that it was a failure and was not in working shape simply because it was canceled at the last minute.
I have absolutely no clue why null thinks that he or Linkup should be respected. On the other hand, I see absolutely no reason why Linkup should be dubbed an absolute failure because of null's claim to it.
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That's not why I called it an absolute failure. I called it an absolute failure because it never got anywhere, because the number of people who'd even heard of it seem to be in single figures, because as far as the community is concerned (you know, the PLAYERS?) it may as well have never existed in the first place. Still, like I've said many times, they WOULD earn points for trying in my book. Really, they would. At least, they would if they hadn't made the absurd statement that the reason it was never released was all our fault, specifically mine.
But hey, xptek has made it very clear that it wasn't null's doing anyway. Thanks for filling us in, xptek; it makes null's claim to greatness even more feeble than it originally was. Up until now the best thing he could claim was being involved in a project which was an unmitigated failure, also having to disregard a great many criticisms against him. Now, thanks to xptek, he can't even claim that.
Although, I personally think xptek is a little unreasonable in calling us "dumbasses" for thinking null had anything to do with Linkup. After all, the only reason anyone thought that is because it's what Null himself (and havocide) told us. But hey, I suppose you can fault us for being gullible, although it seems more appropriate to fault them for being liars.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #363978 is a reply to message #363458] |
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I don't see how the claim that it was canceled because of the idiocy of the Renegade community is absurd. Plus, the amount of money that would have been spent by xptek (and it would have been from him, alone) really wouldn't be worth it. Of course, the obvious question is WHY he would start the project in the first place, then. To answer that question, I say we'd have to ask him. However, if I was to make a guess from knowing him, I would say it's because he likes to take on projects he deems fun, but then costs start to add up, and then you wake up and realize just who you're spending all of this money on, and then it hits you that it's not worth it.
I do have respect for those that are willing to spend so much money, although I question their sanity, as well. Spending so much money on a community that continually boasts its massive stupidity and arrogance is beyond me. More power to those willing, but it makes perfect sense to me as to why someone would have a change of heart.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #363979 is a reply to message #363458] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 12:26 |
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As far as the community goes, it may as well have never existed. And yet it's been used as proof of what a saviour Null is. All we've done is point out the stupidity of the claim...
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"Most complete and accurate"?
Really?
How about the one that's ACTUALLY BEING USED AT THE MOMENT? I would call that more complete than something nobody has heard of.
And yes, it did get absolutely nowhere. Most Renegade players haven't heard of it. It hasn't impacted the community at all. The closest thing to a representitive of this project we've seen is Null here, and if the other Linkup fans (All five of them) are anything like him, then I'm not sure the community is ready for the "completeness" and "accuracy" of your "fine" project.
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(Addressing both dumbasses) I'm not talking about in terms of "community impact." Have I not made it clear that I don't give a shit about the C&C community? I'm talking about most complete feature-wise and protocol-wise.
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RE: Presumptous Dumbass;
If you read the motherfucking thread before you motherfucking posted, you would know that Null seems to be under the impression that he is deserving some position of power for his contributions to the community, and when asked what said contributions were, he cited Linkup. You need to be telling Null that he wasn't affiliated, not Spoony. Comprende?
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I stated earlier that null was not affiliated with Linkup. Read.
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Also, I'd consider letting go of your ReneRage over Xwis being implemented and Linkup not being implemented. Just get over it.
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Linkup was not intended to compete with XWIS. At all. It was designed as an alternate matching service for players that would like all of the original WOL features and an easy to use web-based ladder.
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Well, up to you... you can give the community something worthwhile or you can make feeble excuses not to based on your dislike of a minority of the community (already been over that, remember?)
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Minority? Hah. Sorry I didn't make it clear enough. I dislike a majority of the community.
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So why was it even brought up in the first place?
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Probably because null is being a drama-stirring dumbshit. Nothing new, really.
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Hey, there's talk and there's action, isn't there...
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I'm not allowed to discuss a discountinued project? Sorry.
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No, judging by this thread as a whole, it was not clear at all. We were all puzzled by null's rantings about how much good he's done for the community. I couldn't think of a single good thing, and quite a few bad things, so I asked what the good things were (I wasn't the only one). Havocide posted all this, null affirmed it.
So you're saying that null's claim to community greatness was even shakier than everyone originally thought? Up until this point, here's the deal: he makes immense claims for himself, but when his facts are checked there are plenty of bad things he's done, and the only good thing he could show for himself was working on a project which didn't end up getting finished, although the reason for that was the coders' own choice.
Now you're saying he can't even make THAT feeble claim? Well, thanks for clearing it up for me.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Who the hell do you think you are? Almost nobody here remembers who you are, or cares about why you are upset. You should get off your high horse and realize that this community does not want you here. Sink back into obscurity along with this "null" guy and GTFO.
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Sinking!
In summary, the few points I came here to make:
- xptek and pvtschlag were the only developers of Linkup.
- null, havocide, etc were not affiliated with Linkup (other than using it).
- Linkup is complete and ready for a public beta.
- Because the majority of you are fucking braindead, Linkup will never launch because I don't want to waste bandwidth/time on morons!
- Speculation about which system is better is fucking stupid. If you've taken place in such discussion (Spoony) you're a fucking retard.
Also, a cycle of the Renforums getting trolled process:
- null posts something stupid/some random chatlog while bitching about some aspect of "the community."
- Neckbearded morons write up wall-of-text debates about some stupid chat log or statement.
- More neckbearded morons write wall-of-text debates. Process continues exponentially.
- Thousands of hours that could've been used for something not fucking retarded are wasted.
This is all. Enjoy being further trolled.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #363980 is a reply to message #363458] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 12:30 |
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I doubt it's about costs at all. If it was such a good alternative to XWIS, we'd have heard about it, because nobody makes a project like that, and decides not to share it because we are all 'dumbasses' .
If costs were truly a concern, I'm sure there'd be a few people with money around this place who would front the coin for running the thing.
Frankly, I don't think it has been completed at all.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #363983 is a reply to message #363980] |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:30 |
I doubt it's about costs at all. If it was such a good alternative to XWIS, we'd have heard about it, because nobody makes a project like that, and decides not to share it because we are all 'dumbasses' .
If costs were truly a concern, I'm sure there'd be a few people with money around this place who would front the coin for running the thing.
Frankly, I don't think it has been completed at all.
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You're free to have your assumptions, but they'd be wrong.
Be it justified or not, xptek tends to get tired of people fairly quickly and abandons projects when people start to annoy him.
The reason why it was unknown is because it was created only by two people (xptek and pvtschlag) in a fairly short amount of time. They were both part of the same IRC community, and they decided to start up the project. Once it got to public beta stage, xptek decided to stop with its progress. That's why it's unknown.
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| spigot wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 13:26 |
(Addressing both dumbasses) I'm not talking about in terms of "community impact." Have I not made it clear that I don't give a shit about the C&C community?
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You sure have, can't disagree with that.
| spigot wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 13:26 |
I stated earlier that null was not affiliated with Linkup. Read.
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Hmmm, but it's odd that instead of calling him a liar for telling us he was, you call us dumbasses for believing him. Very odd, that.
Although, I must admit that given his history, it was indeed very generous to believe anything he says.
| spigot wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 13:26 |
Minority? Hah. Sorry I didn't make it clear enough. I dislike a majority of the community.
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No, it wasn't unclear to me. You said majority, and I made a point of saying minority. I've already explained why. You go ahead and make a list of all the "dumbasses" in this community, and we'll compare that number to the number of people who play Renegade.
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Hey, there's talk and there's action, isn't there...
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I'm not allowed to discuss a discountinued project? Sorry.
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I don't think I said you weren't allowed to?
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No, judging by this thread as a whole, it was not clear at all. We were all puzzled by null's rantings about how much good he's done for the community. I couldn't think of a single good thing, and quite a few bad things, so I asked what the good things were (I wasn't the only one). Havocide posted all this, null affirmed it.
So you're saying that null's claim to community greatness was even shakier than everyone originally thought? Up until this point, here's the deal: he makes immense claims for himself, but when his facts are checked there are plenty of bad things he's done, and the only good thing he could show for himself was working on a project which didn't end up getting finished, although the reason for that was the coders' own choice.
Now you're saying he can't even make THAT feeble claim? Well, thanks for clearing it up for me.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Then thanks again; we all know now that null's been lying to us yet again, and I will certainly not judge Linkup any further based on him. But like I said, your first condemnation wasn't directed at Null and Havocide for misleading us; it was directed at us for taking their statements at face value.
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Speculation about which system is better is fucking stupid. If you've taken place in such discussion (Spoony) you're a fucking retard.
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The only reason I answered the question of which system is better is that Null and Havocide, both of whom we now to be liars (well, we know that about Null anyway), made the claim in the first place. And yet the only name you put in those brackets is mine... again, very odd.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #363986 is a reply to message #363458] |
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I'm not gonna judge his e-attitude, but if the guy does get short with people easily, then why would he undertake a project like this in the first place? Something like this requires massive involvement with the community and requires dealing with many people who will undoubtedly be 'morons' .
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 13:30 |
I doubt it's about costs at all. If it was such a good alternative to XWIS, we'd have heard about it, because nobody makes a project like that, and decides not to share it because we are all 'dumbasses' .
If costs were truly a concern, I'm sure there'd be a few people with money around this place who would front the coin for running the thing.
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Correct, it wasn't about cost. I stated that clearly multiple times in previous posts. (Seriously, why do you people respond without reading the thread first?) I was, hmm, 16 at oldest when the program was written and making around $30,000 a year with no bills . It wasn't about lack of money, it was about allocating that money to something worthwhile that reduces the amount of fucktards I talk to dramatically while generating some revenue on the side.
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I'm not gonna judge his e-attitude, but if the guy does get short with people easily, then why would he undertake a project like this in the first place? Something like this requires massive involvement with the community and requires dealing with many people who will undoubtedly be 'morons' .
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We started it because we were curious about the WOL protocol itself and the (really shitty) encryption. We ended up making a fully-functional clone very quickly. After the original version was working, we decided to try and create a clone that followed the original protocol completely and implemented features XWIS has yet to code. After that, we wrote a PHP backend to handle registration, ladders, clans, etc. and prettied it up. The service was completely operational for a month or so, but after that I pretty much lost interest in C&C and the C&C community as a whole.
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 10:57 |
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Just because something wasn't IMPLEMENTED doesn't mean that it wasn't COMPLETE. It doesn't take a genius to realize the difference.
As far as being upset that XWIS was implemented and Linkup wasn't, let me take you back to a point that's been repeated several times in this thread. IT WASN'T RELEASED. How could anyone be upset that the community uses XWIS when it wasn't even fucking released?
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Ironic that you say I miss the point entirely as you proceed to miss the point entirely.
If it wasn't implemented, it wasn't complete. If you do your homework but don't hand it in, you don't get credit for it. If you recieve a check but don't cash it, you don't get money. If you make and xwis clone and don't release it or get it implemented, IT'S NOT COMPLETE.
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I must admit, he's got me on the neckbeard as well... therefore in terms of correct accusations against me, that statement means he overtakes null.
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Then thanks again; we all know now that null's been lying to us yet again, and I will certainly not judge Linkup any further based on him. But like I said, your first condemnation wasn't directed at Null and Havocide for misleading us; it was directed at us for taking their statements at face value.
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Oh shit, my bad man.
Havocide and null:
FUCKING RETARDS
Majority of the C&C community:
FUCKING RETARDS
And now I begin my promised slip into obscurity while this thread degrades into a discussion about the various interpretations of "complete" and "implementation." Doesn't look like much has changed, heh.
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 11:56 |
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If you do your homework but don't hand it in, you don't get credit for it. If you recieve a check but don't cash it, you don't get money.
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Yes, you're right about those two things. Still, since when does that imply that the homework wasn't completed or the check wasn't filled out completely? Just because you don't turn in your homework doesn't mean you didn't do the work or even did it entirely. You just didn't turn it in.
The same goes for a check. Just because you don't cash the valid check doesn't make the check non-existant.
All that proves is that you wasted time and an opportunity. It says nothing about the object itself.
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Come on cheese, you're a smart guy (Or at least, you've convinced me you are). Why are you failing to understand what every five year old learns in first grade?
In order for homework (Or a check, or an xwis clone) to be complete, all work on it must be finished in its entirity AND it must be handed in. AND. BOTH conditions must be satisfied for you to recieve a grade (Or money. Or whatever it is you get for making an xwis clone. A ReneMedal?). If you turn in a blank paper, you get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community), but if you "do the work" but don't turn it in, you also get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community).
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:05 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 11:56 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:47 |
If you do your homework but don't hand it in, you don't get credit for it. If you recieve a check but don't cash it, you don't get money.
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Yes, you're right about those two things. Still, since when does that imply that the homework wasn't completed or the check wasn't filled out completely? Just because you don't turn in your homework doesn't mean you didn't do the work or even did it entirely. You just didn't turn it in.
The same goes for a check. Just because you don't cash the valid check doesn't make the check non-existant.
All that proves is that you wasted time and an opportunity. It says nothing about the object itself.
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Come on cheese, you're a smart guy (Or at least, you've convinced me you are). Why are you failing to understand what every five year old learns in first grade?
In order for homework (Or a check, or an xwis clone) to be complete, all work on it must be finished in its entirity AND it must be handed in. AND. BOTH conditions must be satisfied for you to recieve a grade (Or money. Or whatever it is you get for making an xwis clone. A ReneMedal?). If you turn in a blank paper, you get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community), but if you "do the work" but don't turn it in, you also get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community).
gb2firstgrade cheese?
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That's only if you give a shit about receiving a grade (or, in this case, ReneMedal). If the primary objective of the project/homework was to learn, and you learned from completing the project, the grade (or credit) is pretty irrelevant if you don't care. 
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| spigot wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 12:08 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:05 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 11:56 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:47 |
If you do your homework but don't hand it in, you don't get credit for it. If you recieve a check but don't cash it, you don't get money.
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Yes, you're right about those two things. Still, since when does that imply that the homework wasn't completed or the check wasn't filled out completely? Just because you don't turn in your homework doesn't mean you didn't do the work or even did it entirely. You just didn't turn it in.
The same goes for a check. Just because you don't cash the valid check doesn't make the check non-existant.
All that proves is that you wasted time and an opportunity. It says nothing about the object itself.
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Come on cheese, you're a smart guy (Or at least, you've convinced me you are). Why are you failing to understand what every five year old learns in first grade?
In order for homework (Or a check, or an xwis clone) to be complete, all work on it must be finished in its entirity AND it must be handed in. AND. BOTH conditions must be satisfied for you to recieve a grade (Or money. Or whatever it is you get for making an xwis clone. A ReneMedal?). If you turn in a blank paper, you get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community), but if you "do the work" but don't turn it in, you also get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community).
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That's only if you give a shit about receiving a grade (or, in this case, ReneMedal). If the primary objective of the project/homework was to learn, and you learned from completing the project, the grade (or credit) is pretty irrelevant if you don't care.
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Then I hope this entire process was very educational.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364003 is a reply to message #364002] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 13:13 |
spigot
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 12:09 |
| spigot wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 12:08 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:05 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 11:56 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:47 |
If you do your homework but don't hand it in, you don't get credit for it. If you recieve a check but don't cash it, you don't get money.
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Yes, you're right about those two things. Still, since when does that imply that the homework wasn't completed or the check wasn't filled out completely? Just because you don't turn in your homework doesn't mean you didn't do the work or even did it entirely. You just didn't turn it in.
The same goes for a check. Just because you don't cash the valid check doesn't make the check non-existant.
All that proves is that you wasted time and an opportunity. It says nothing about the object itself.
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Come on cheese, you're a smart guy (Or at least, you've convinced me you are). Why are you failing to understand what every five year old learns in first grade?
In order for homework (Or a check, or an xwis clone) to be complete, all work on it must be finished in its entirity AND it must be handed in. AND. BOTH conditions must be satisfied for you to recieve a grade (Or money. Or whatever it is you get for making an xwis clone. A ReneMedal?). If you turn in a blank paper, you get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community), but if you "do the work" but don't turn it in, you also get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community).
gb2firstgrade cheese?
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That's only if you give a shit about receiving a grade (or, in this case, ReneMedal). If the primary objective of the project/homework was to learn, and you learned from completing the project, the grade (or credit) is pretty irrelevant if you don't care.
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Then I hope this entire process was very educational.
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Oh, don't worry. It was indeed.
(Had you read and comprehended the thread before replying you'd already know this!)
But yeah, anyway, almost off work and I'm probably going to forget about this thread tomorrow because I drown (or cloud I suppose) all of my sorrows nightly with rampant marijuana use and have no short-term memory. It was almost nice to be back for 48 hours, though.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364004 is a reply to message #364003] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 13:16 |
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Dover
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| spigot wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 12:13 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 12:09 |
| spigot wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 12:08 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:05 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 11:56 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:47 |
If you do your homework but don't hand it in, you don't get credit for it. If you recieve a check but don't cash it, you don't get money.
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Yes, you're right about those two things. Still, since when does that imply that the homework wasn't completed or the check wasn't filled out completely? Just because you don't turn in your homework doesn't mean you didn't do the work or even did it entirely. You just didn't turn it in.
The same goes for a check. Just because you don't cash the valid check doesn't make the check non-existant.
All that proves is that you wasted time and an opportunity. It says nothing about the object itself.
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Come on cheese, you're a smart guy (Or at least, you've convinced me you are). Why are you failing to understand what every five year old learns in first grade?
In order for homework (Or a check, or an xwis clone) to be complete, all work on it must be finished in its entirity AND it must be handed in. AND. BOTH conditions must be satisfied for you to recieve a grade (Or money. Or whatever it is you get for making an xwis clone. A ReneMedal?). If you turn in a blank paper, you get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community), but if you "do the work" but don't turn it in, you also get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community).
gb2firstgrade cheese?
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That's only if you give a shit about receiving a grade (or, in this case, ReneMedal). If the primary objective of the project/homework was to learn, and you learned from completing the project, the grade (or credit) is pretty irrelevant if you don't care.
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Then I hope this entire process was very educational.
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Oh, don't worry. It was indeed.
(Had you read and comprehended the thread before replying you'd already know this!)
But yeah, anyway, almost off work and I'm probably going to forget about this thread tomorrow because I drown (or cloud I suppose) all of my sorrows nightly with rampant marijuana use and have no short-term memory. It was almost nice to be back for 48 hours, though.
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Ah, and the reason your xwis clone was never released finally comes out! This has been educational, indeed.
(I guess the rampant marijuana use broke your sarcasm detector!)
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
Remember kids the internet is serious business.
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| Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364005 is a reply to message #363997] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 13:31 |
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cheesesoda
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| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 15:05 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 11:56 |
| Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:47 |
If you do your homework but don't hand it in, you don't get credit for it. If you recieve a check but don't cash it, you don't get money.
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Yes, you're right about those two things. Still, since when does that imply that the homework wasn't completed or the check wasn't filled out completely? Just because you don't turn in your homework doesn't mean you didn't do the work or even did it entirely. You just didn't turn it in.
The same goes for a check. Just because you don't cash the valid check doesn't make the check non-existant.
All that proves is that you wasted time and an opportunity. It says nothing about the object itself.
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Come on cheese, you're a smart guy (Or at least, you've convinced me you are). Why are you failing to understand what every five year old learns in first grade?
In order for homework (Or a check, or an xwis clone) to be complete, all work on it must be finished in its entirity AND it must be handed in. AND. BOTH conditions must be satisfied for you to recieve a grade (Or money. Or whatever it is you get for making an xwis clone. A ReneMedal?). If you turn in a blank paper, you get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community), but if you "do the work" but don't turn it in, you also get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community).
gb2firstgrade cheese?
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I don't think we're actually differing on what it means for something to be complete. What I think where we disagree is at what point the project is complete.
You seem to imply that it must be publicly recognized/used before it could be considered complete. I, instead, consider it complete if it works, regardless of recognition.
To put it another way: If I have to get my car repaired, your definition of it being completed is when I pick up my car. On the other hand, I feel it's completed when they've stopped working on it, and my car is in working condition, whether I pick my car up immediately, take a week, a month, or a year. Hell, if I die in transit to pick up my car, your view would leave my car repair incomplete. Rather, it's just the TRANSACTION is incomplete, not the repair itself.
whoa.
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